I think Craig looked quite small in SF. The way his suits were tailored tried to make him look muscular, but the narrow shoulders, short length and low-rise trousers only downplayed his size. I was surprised the costume designer didn't try to make him look bigger.
Whether you like Craig or not, he has changed our perception of Bond. If the next one is again short, or blonde, it will be much less controversial. I wasn't a fan of such changes, but they have been made, so why not push boundaries even further, and get a non-Caucasian Bond?
Half-Scottish, half-Swiss, and non-Caucasian. Sure {:) That'll keep it grounded in reality!
As for Craig not looking as short as he is on screen - I don't think it had anything to do with his musculature, but clever camera work. If you keep the camera low, the object looks taller. Some strategically placed raised walkboards may also have been used in some scenes.
Well, of course. The Lord of the Rings proved conclusively what is possible with camera trickery. What I meant by 'compensation' was that I feel it came from Craig himself, likely with encouragement from Eon, to play up the rebooted character's SBS background, and help distract from how he differs physically from his predecessors.
Finally, I would by now expect Eon to tell us more about the new movie. The silence means that either we will have a new actor, or there will be an extended break before the new film. Or possibly both.
Total agreement there...we're very much getting to the 'S**t or get off the pot' portion of the proceedings :007)
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Funny how this thread has evolved (or devolved) into a referendum on Daniel Craig....if he really is gone, I will miss him as Bond. He was unique as Bond as were the Bond films he appeared in. The Craig era has made Bond credible once again. I hold out hope that he returns for at least one more but I am enjoying this discussion of who could be next.
Funnily enough, the referendum on Formerly Poor DannyTM has never really ended, despite an entirely successful multi-billion-dollar four-film run as James Bond :007) I would personally prefer two more from him, but am quietly getting the feeling that the tide is going out.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Whether you like Craig or not, he has changed our perception of Bond. If the next one is again short, or blonde, it will be much less controversial. I wasn't a fan of such changes, but they have been made, so why not push boundaries even further, and get a non-Caucasian Bond?
Half-Scottish, half-Swiss, and non-Caucasian. Sure {:) That'll keep it grounded in reality!
As for Craig not looking as short as he is on screen - I don't think it had anything to do with his musculature, but clever camera work. If you keep the camera low, the object looks taller. Some strategically placed raised walkboards may also have been used in some scenes.
Well, of course. The Lord of the Rings proved conclusively what is possible with camera trickery. What I meant by 'compensation' was that I feel it came from Craig himself, likely with encouragement from Eon, to play up the rebooted character's SBS background, and help distract from how he differs physically from his predecessors.
Finally, I would by now expect Eon to tell us more about the new movie. The silence means that either we will have a new actor, or there will be an extended break before the new film. Or possibly both.
Total agreement there...we're very much getting to the 'S**t or get off the pot' portion of the proceedings :007)
Please tell me you are not really suggesting that no-one can be considered Swiss or Scottish unless they are Caucasian. The reality is that there are thousands of people like that.
I am sure our EON mole is reading all of this discussion with interest. I was watching telly and listening to the radio at the beginning of the week, following the finale of the Night Manager, and there was quite a bit of discussion about The Next Bond Actor.
I really think that Daniel Craig's time has been and gone now. A shame, because I liked him, but I do feel that the non-Bond fan base are probably of the opinion that DC has quit the role. We, the hardcore, are considering it as a possibility. I really feel like for DC to return will almost be as disappointing as when Sean Connery returned in DAF.
While I'm not old enough to remember when Connery was Bond, I doubt Craig's possible return will be as controversial as SC's was.
I feel that it would be unfortunate if Craig quit now, just as Blofeld is re-introduced to the series. Especially the way Craig's Bond and Blofeld's past were linked together in SPECTRE makes Craig's departure premature. Not to mention that Craig has written a contract for one more Bond.
Whats funny to me is after reading all the negative views on DC as JB, him being wooden, not handsome enough, not tall enough, not brown hair, he is too much like a thug, Ian Flemming wouldn't approve, etc.
Regardless of all of that DC really brought back the James Bond franchise to something that tops MI and Bourne. Hell DC's era of Bond movies made more than any other Bond movies. Sure there is an increase in inflation and all that jazz but regardless no previous Bond movie made 1 BILLION dollars regardless of inflation.
There are so many factors contributing to a $1bil Bond film. Yes, there is inflation, but also:
- Original fans of the series in addition to newer generations.
- 50th anniversary
- Increase in global population.
- Global accessibility of the film
The fact that Thunderball got so close to $1bil in 1965 - adjusted to inflation, of course - demonstrates the power and reach of a Bond film. Thunderball isn't considered to be as good as GF or FRWL, but it's close to being the highest grossing of Bond film. There are so many factors that contribute to SF being a brilliant Bond film - the supporting cast, cinematography and writing particularly - and yes, that film reaching $1bil is well deserving of it, but it has very little to do with Daniel Craig as Bond. Yes, he gives his best turn as 007, but if he was the sole factor as to why SF made $1bil, then SP would have done even better. But it didn't. The writers stuffed up, he was as awkward and forced as he usually is, and it just didn't cut it.
He's pushing 50 and looking almost 60. Time to move on.
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Funny how this thread has evolved (or devolved) into a referendum on Daniel Craig....if he really is gone, I will miss him as Bond. He was unique as Bond as were the Bond films he appeared in. The Craig era has made Bond credible once again. I hold out hope that he returns for at least one more but I am enjoying this discussion of who could be next.
Funnily enough, the referendum on Formerly Poor DannyTM has never really ended, despite an entirely successful multi-billion-dollar four-film run as James Bond :007) I would personally prefer two more from him, but am quietly getting the feeling that the tide is going out.
The writings on the wall....er internet.
By the way for all those who have Craig one step below mummification he looked fine in SPECTRE. I don't see him as looking too "old" at all. Mature, burnished with plenty of tough miles on the odometer but far from over the hill. In DAF Connery looked like a paunchy man in his mid 50's (ironically he actually looked much better in some later films like A Bridge Too Far and Cuba) I didn't see that with Craig in SPECTRE.
Quite funny as I watched Casino Royale a few days ago (for the umpteenth time)
The scene after he meets Vesper on the train and takes a car / taxi to the hotel and they are talking in the back seat - man he looks terrible - old looking and almost ill whilst filming - poss hungover!!!
Anyhow depending on scene I think he looks pretty much similar throughout his tenure apart from the odd grey hair appearing. I certainly dont think he's too old to play Bond as he is obviously very fit which is what matters. Compared to say Moore and Connery in their later years - hell I'm 37 and I bet DC is way fitter then me in real life
Whether you like Craig or not, he has changed our perception of Bond. If the next one is again short, or blonde, it will be much less controversial. I wasn't a fan of such changes, but they have been made, so why not push boundaries even further, and get a non-Caucasian Bond?
Half-Scottish, half-Swiss, and non-Caucasian. Sure {:) That'll keep it grounded in reality!
Please tell me you are not really suggesting that no-one can be considered Swiss or Scottish unless they are Caucasian. The reality is that there are thousands of people like that.
I don't think he's suggesting that it's impossible, but it's highly improbable. The next Bond's parents would have been born in the 1940s or 1950s. At that time, how many non-Caucasians would have been born in Scotland and Switzerland? Considerably fewer than the small percentage in those countries today. It's not completely impossible for a non-caucasian to fit that criteria Fleming established, but it's highly unlikely.
Half-Scottish, half-Swiss, and non-Caucasian. Sure {:) That'll keep it grounded in reality!
Please tell me you are not really suggesting that no-one can be considered Swiss or Scottish unless they are Caucasian. The reality is that there are thousands of people like that.
I don't think he's suggesting that it's impossible, but it's highly improbable. The next Bond's parents would have been born in the 1940s or 1950s. At that time, how many non-Caucasians would have been born in Scotland and Switzerland? Considerably fewer than the small percentage in those countries today. It's not completely impossible for a non-caucasian to fit that criteria Fleming established, but it's highly unlikely.
Precisely; thank you -{
I tend to be pretty conservative (believe it or not) with regard to the physical appearance requirements for Bond, despite my affection for Daniel Craig - IMO, he's as far from the traditional norm as I hope they go, and fully expect them to veer back toward tradition with his replacement, whenever he comes. Either Hiddleston or Turner (despite the latter's nearness to Craig's height) would be a step in that direction. Cavill would be a leap back to convention: a physique even more impressive than Connery's...with Brosnan's pretty-boy looks. But again, I think Cavill has missed his opportunity.
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Cavill is much more mature looking than when he was first considered and now the perfect age. If it wasn't for Superman I think he would have followed Craig. He's a longshot, Australian and not even rumored to be under consideration but I'm hitching my wagon to Jai Courtney. He's kind of a much taller (legit 6'1"), younger (30), better looking version of Craig who has good screen presence and charisma
Cavill was great in Man from Uncle. That did solidify his possibility for a Bond role,,,,,, but Man of Steel has spoiled that for me. Yuk, with the Man of Steel. Courtney has a great look. Sadly I have no idea who he is: which I feel may, sad for his manager and his ego albeit, but awesome for me, a Bond fan since watching TSWLM on HBO in the late seventies and thence reading the novels and staying up until midnight to see the older films on 'the late night show' on Saturday nights. I don't care if the next Bond is well known actor,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I just want someone who can carry the role.
For all of you fans for Cavill as Bond: are you also big fans of Brosnan as Bond? I know Brosnan's not at all popular around here. Especially after seeing him in The Man from UNCLE, I can only picture him being almost exactly like Brosnan if he was Bond. But I'd imagine him being a little more wooden like Craig.
With regards to Jai Courtney, many of his roles (at least what I've seen) he is playing an American (I had no idea he was Australian until I learned otherwise). He was one of the main bad guys (a merc/ black ops type) in "Jack Reacher". My guess is like many contemporary Aussie actors he can morph into a perfect British accent pretty easily. His next release is "Suicide Squad" which is an ensemble piece with a real good cast. He plays "Boomerang" an assassin who is a particularly nasty piece of work. Courtney could be headed for A list leading man status....he's just missed out because the films he has had big roles in have not been very successful. Maybe EON needs to scoop him up before he hits it big.
For all of you fans for Cavill as Bond: are you also big fans of Brosnan as Bond? I know Brosnan's not at all popular around here. Especially after seeing him in The Man from UNCLE, I can only picture him being almost exactly like Brosnan if he was Bond. But I'd imagine him being a little more wooden like Craig.
I would see Cavill as being smooth like Brosnan for sure but physically may be more believable since he is a bit of a muscle man
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For all of you fans for Cavill as Bond: are you also big fans of Brosnan as Bond? I know Brosnan's not at all popular around here. Especially after seeing him in The Man from UNCLE, I can only picture him being almost exactly like Brosnan if he was Bond. But I'd imagine him being a little more wooden like Craig.
I would see Cavill as being smooth like Brosnan for sure but physically may be more believable since he is a bit of a muscle man
I think Cavill's acting chops are solid, as were Brozzer's...whomever inherits the tux will be at the mercy of the writing, as it has always been, particularly in the modern era. Whatever Brosnan has suffered in terms of opinion, here on AJB, springs from the scripts with which he was saddled, as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I enjoyed Brosnan just fine; there's no disputing that he revitalized the franchise and kept it alive.
IMO, Cavill would be more than capable of the physicality required since Craig's elevating of that bar.
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Brosnan got off to a flyer in Goldeneye, the second best modern Bond Film to the champ Casino Royale in my opinion. Both had the best of the recent Directors Martin Campbell at the helm so my choice would be to reunite Daniel Craig and Martin Campbell for a final tour de force!
For all of you fans for Cavill as Bond: are you also big fans of Brosnan as Bond? I know Brosnan's not at all popular around here. Especially after seeing him in The Man from UNCLE, I can only picture him being almost exactly like Brosnan if he was Bond. But I'd imagine him being a little more wooden like Craig.
I would see Cavill as being smooth like Brosnan for sure but physically may be more believable since he is a bit of a muscle man
I think Cavill's acting chops are solid, as were Brozzer's...whomever inherits the tux will be at the mercy of the writing, as it has always been, particularly in the modern era. Whatever Brosnan has suffered in terms of opinion, here on AJB, springs from the scripts with which he was saddled, as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I enjoyed Brosnan just fine; there's no disputing that he revitalized the franchise and kept it alive.
IMO, Cavill would be more than capable of the physicality required since Craig's elevating of that bar.
As I've said many times before, I enjoy all of the portrayals of Bond. Each actor has brought something different to the role. But, to your point Loeff, it all come down to the writing. the writing for most of Brosnan's films was particularly weak, so I enjoy his films less. But much like Craig (and unlike Dalton), Bros was the right Bond at the right time.
Brosnan got off to a flyer in Goldeneye, the second best modern Bond Film to the champ Casino Royale in my opinion. Both had the best of the recent Directors Martin Campbell at the helm so my choice would be to reunite Daniel Craig and Martin Campbell for a final tour de force!
I like the sound of that, I too always got on fine with brosnan in the role. As Loeffelholz says it was the writing that let down a couple of his films.
Whatever your personal opinion of DC ( I'm a fan and have been since his early days) there is no denying his tenure has been a success in many ways.
For the record, I'm a fan of Brosnan. I just attacked here every time I say something positive about him.
It's remarkable really...being attacked on a bond forum for being a fan of Bond??
I'd like to think it was more a different viewpoint rather than being attacked...it's just some people struggle to get their thoughts across successfully when they type...
For the record, I'm a fan of Brosnan. I just attacked here every time I say something positive about him.
It's remarkable really...being attacked on a bond forum for being a fan of Bond??
I'd like to think it was more a different viewpoint rather than being attacked...it's just some people struggle to get their thoughts across successfully when they type...
I've been personally insulted for saying positive things about Brosnan here. That's more than the other person just having a different viewpoint.
I've been personally insulted for saying positive things about Brosnan here. That's more than the other person just having a different viewpoint.
Well, that's a shame, and unacceptable behavior (however unsurprising as well)...but there are snipers hiding in the tall grass at times here for many of us, for whatever reason I tend to put it down to perceived offenses in previous lives
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It's remarkable really...being attacked on a bond forum for being a fan of Bond??
I'd like to think it was more a different viewpoint rather than being attacked...it's just some people struggle to get their thoughts across successfully when they type...
I've been personally insulted for saying positive things about Brosnan here. That's more than the other person just having a different viewpoint.
There is a very small minority who seem to delight in playing the protagonist in derisory argument
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Yes, exactly -{
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Some seem to have a strong hatred for Brosnan something I simply
Can't understand. You may not be totally in love with some actors but poor
Old Brozza seems to get some vitriol directed at him.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Some seem to have a strong hatred for Brosnan something I simply
Can't understand. You may not be totally in love with some actors but poor
Old Brozza seems to get some vitriol directed at him.
In my experience here: Connery is universally lauded; Lazenby and Dalton both have some dedicated supporters and get generally positive treatment; and Roger is, on the whole, treated much better here than among the general public. It's Craig and Brosnan that evoke the really strong feelings. I think that's natural because they are the only two who are contemporary to the most people here, and they are opposite in almost every way in terms of their portrayals. Yet, while I expect views toward Brosnan to soften as the years go by, I think Craig will always be polarizing.
Bringing this full circle to the topic of this thread, I'm hoping the next Bond maintains the edge that Craig brought to the role, but reintroduces some of the traditional elegance and charm.
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Half-Scottish, half-Swiss, and non-Caucasian. Sure {:) That'll keep it grounded in reality!
Well, of course. The Lord of the Rings proved conclusively what is possible with camera trickery. What I meant by 'compensation' was that I feel it came from Craig himself, likely with encouragement from Eon, to play up the rebooted character's SBS background, and help distract from how he differs physically from his predecessors.
Total agreement there...we're very much getting to the 'S**t or get off the pot' portion of the proceedings :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Funnily enough, the referendum on Formerly Poor DannyTM has never really ended, despite an entirely successful multi-billion-dollar four-film run as James Bond :007) I would personally prefer two more from him, but am quietly getting the feeling that the tide is going out.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Please tell me you are not really suggesting that no-one can be considered Swiss or Scottish unless they are Caucasian. The reality is that there are thousands of people like that.
I really think that Daniel Craig's time has been and gone now. A shame, because I liked him, but I do feel that the non-Bond fan base are probably of the opinion that DC has quit the role. We, the hardcore, are considering it as a possibility. I really feel like for DC to return will almost be as disappointing as when Sean Connery returned in DAF.
In my opinion, we are ready for a new Bond.
I feel that it would be unfortunate if Craig quit now, just as Blofeld is re-introduced to the series. Especially the way Craig's Bond and Blofeld's past were linked together in SPECTRE makes Craig's departure premature. Not to mention that Craig has written a contract for one more Bond.
There are so many factors contributing to a $1bil Bond film. Yes, there is inflation, but also:
- Original fans of the series in addition to newer generations.
- 50th anniversary
- Increase in global population.
- Global accessibility of the film
The fact that Thunderball got so close to $1bil in 1965 - adjusted to inflation, of course - demonstrates the power and reach of a Bond film. Thunderball isn't considered to be as good as GF or FRWL, but it's close to being the highest grossing of Bond film. There are so many factors that contribute to SF being a brilliant Bond film - the supporting cast, cinematography and writing particularly - and yes, that film reaching $1bil is well deserving of it, but it has very little to do with Daniel Craig as Bond. Yes, he gives his best turn as 007, but if he was the sole factor as to why SF made $1bil, then SP would have done even better. But it didn't. The writers stuffed up, he was as awkward and forced as he usually is, and it just didn't cut it.
He's pushing 50 and looking almost 60. Time to move on.
The writings on the wall....er internet.
By the way for all those who have Craig one step below mummification he looked fine in SPECTRE. I don't see him as looking too "old" at all. Mature, burnished with plenty of tough miles on the odometer but far from over the hill. In DAF Connery looked like a paunchy man in his mid 50's (ironically he actually looked much better in some later films like A Bridge Too Far and Cuba) I didn't see that with Craig in SPECTRE.
The scene after he meets Vesper on the train and takes a car / taxi to the hotel and they are talking in the back seat - man he looks terrible - old looking and almost ill whilst filming - poss hungover!!!
Anyhow depending on scene I think he looks pretty much similar throughout his tenure apart from the odd grey hair appearing. I certainly dont think he's too old to play Bond as he is obviously very fit which is what matters. Compared to say Moore and Connery in their later years - hell I'm 37 and I bet DC is way fitter then me in real life
I don't think he's suggesting that it's impossible, but it's highly improbable. The next Bond's parents would have been born in the 1940s or 1950s. At that time, how many non-Caucasians would have been born in Scotland and Switzerland? Considerably fewer than the small percentage in those countries today. It's not completely impossible for a non-caucasian to fit that criteria Fleming established, but it's highly unlikely.
Precisely; thank you -{
I tend to be pretty conservative (believe it or not) with regard to the physical appearance requirements for Bond, despite my affection for Daniel Craig - IMO, he's as far from the traditional norm as I hope they go, and fully expect them to veer back toward tradition with his replacement, whenever he comes. Either Hiddleston or Turner (despite the latter's nearness to Craig's height) would be a step in that direction. Cavill would be a leap back to convention: a physique even more impressive than Connery's...with Brosnan's pretty-boy looks. But again, I think Cavill has missed his opportunity.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I would see Cavill as being smooth like Brosnan for sure but physically may be more believable since he is a bit of a muscle man
I think Cavill's acting chops are solid, as were Brozzer's...whomever inherits the tux will be at the mercy of the writing, as it has always been, particularly in the modern era. Whatever Brosnan has suffered in terms of opinion, here on AJB, springs from the scripts with which he was saddled, as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I enjoyed Brosnan just fine; there's no disputing that he revitalized the franchise and kept it alive.
IMO, Cavill would be more than capable of the physicality required since Craig's elevating of that bar.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
As I've said many times before, I enjoy all of the portrayals of Bond. Each actor has brought something different to the role. But, to your point Loeff, it all come down to the writing. the writing for most of Brosnan's films was particularly weak, so I enjoy his films less. But much like Craig (and unlike Dalton), Bros was the right Bond at the right time.
Whatever your personal opinion of DC ( I'm a fan and have been since his early days) there is no denying his tenure has been a success in many ways.
I'd like to think it was more a different viewpoint rather than being attacked...it's just some people struggle to get their thoughts across successfully when they type...
I've been personally insulted for saying positive things about Brosnan here. That's more than the other person just having a different viewpoint.
Well, that's a shame, and unacceptable behavior (however unsurprising as well)...but there are snipers hiding in the tall grass at times here for many of us, for whatever reason
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Can't understand. You may not be totally in love with some actors but poor
Old Brozza seems to get some vitriol directed at him.
In my experience here: Connery is universally lauded; Lazenby and Dalton both have some dedicated supporters and get generally positive treatment; and Roger is, on the whole, treated much better here than among the general public. It's Craig and Brosnan that evoke the really strong feelings. I think that's natural because they are the only two who are contemporary to the most people here, and they are opposite in almost every way in terms of their portrayals. Yet, while I expect views toward Brosnan to soften as the years go by, I think Craig will always be polarizing.
Bringing this full circle to the topic of this thread, I'm hoping the next Bond maintains the edge that Craig brought to the role, but reintroduces some of the traditional elegance and charm.