Bale has said that he's not interested in playing James Bond. He said Bond represented “every despicable stereotype about England and British actors... and I've already played a serial killer.”
I've seen that one too. Bond is just so below my station as a Master Thespian. I can emote so much better running around in a rubber bat suit. By the way Master Thespian, Affleck is a better Batman ) -{
Bond is an easy punching bag for the pretentious white elite, especially these days. Matt Damon and scores of thinkpiece-style blogger types also come to mind. Sadly for them, James Bond will return.
Bond is an easy punching bag for the pretentious white elite, especially these days. Matt Damon and scores of thinkpiece-style blogger types also come to mind. Sadly for them, James Bond will return.
Well said. I just hope he returns before I'm nursing home material. )
An immature 38-year-old will not all of the sudden start to mature at that age. People are very set in their ways by then, yet we're supposed to believe that the story of the film is how Bond starts out as a rough novice and becomes the Bond we know from before by the end of the film. It would have made sense if Bond were in his 20s, but not his late 30s. And while not Craig's fault, I don't like how the character isn't written much like Fleming's Bond, as Fleming's Bond was a mature agent by the time he was 38.
In the novel Casino Royale, Bond says he bought his Bentley in 1933. Assuming he was 20 (seems reasonable) when he bought it, he would've been born in 1913. Casino Royale takes place in 1952, so he was 39.
There's no way he could've been younger than 37.
It seems that you should take up your complaint with Ian Fleming.
The Bond character in the CR film is not written the same as the Bond character in the CR novel. In the CR novel Bond is not a novice on his first mission. The novel isn't about a cocky new agent who doesn't know what he's doing, but that's what the film is about. There is no way that Bond of the film could be the same age as Bond of the novel.
Batman Begins was released in '05 and CR in '06 so Bale was Batman already. IMO, Bale could have been a good Bond but frankly he has a rep as being a major PITA so I'm guessing EON would have avoided him anyway. Craig was not too old to play a new "00". If you read the backstory that was created for the Bond of the re-boot, it was very clear that between his military service and intelligence service prior to being promoted to a "00" there is no reason not to assume that Bond was in his early 30's when promoted and despite all the hoo-ha about Craig's "craggy" looks he certainly could pass for early 30's in CR. There is also some question alluded to in CR regarding Bond's suitability to be promoted to "00" status, which could be more attributed to his reckless nature than his actual age. The only scene that was obviously written for someone who really appeared to be younger was when Bond is mistaken for a valet at the hotel. That was a bit of a stretch.
I also felt that that line was about his recklessness and not age, although I thought the Cragster to be at the top end of plausible age wise I don't think it damaged the film at all. I was also highly sceptical when he was cast, but CR is a series highpoint and ranks with the best in my view. My residual issue was that the rough edges were never smoothed out enough in later films.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
In the novel Casino Royale, Bond says he bought his Bentley in 1933. Assuming he was 20 (seems reasonable) when he bought it, he would've been born in 1913. Casino Royale takes place in 1952, so he was 39.
There's no way he could've been younger than 37.
It seems that you should take up your complaint with Ian Fleming.
The Bond character in the CR film is not written the same as the Bond character in the CR novel. In the CR novel Bond is not a novice on his first mission. The novel isn't about a cocky new agent who doesn't know what he's doing, but that's what the film is about. There is no way that Bond of the film could be the same age as Bond of the novel.
Is he a novice agent or merely a novice OO?
I meant novice 00 agent, as it's assumed he was promoted from being some other kind of agent for MI6. But it seems like he's fairly new to being any kind of agent in CR since he stills has poor judgement.
The Bond character in the CR film is not written the same as the Bond character in the CR novel. In the CR novel Bond is not a novice on his first mission. The novel isn't about a cocky new agent who doesn't know what he's doing, but that's what the film is about. There is no way that Bond of the film could be the same age as Bond of the novel.
Is he a novice agent or merely a novice OO?
I meant novice 00 agent, as it's assumed he was promoted from being some other kind of agent for MI6. But it seems like he's fairly new to being any kind of agent in CR since he stills has poor judgement.
All the bonds have displayed poor judgement one way or another.
I meant novice 00 agent, as it's assumed he was promoted from being some other kind of agent for MI6. But it seems like he's fairly new to being any kind of agent in CR since he stills has poor judgement.
All the bonds have displayed poor judgement one way or another.
But not so consistently. Then again, in Craig's Bond films M (Mansfield) also displays more poor judgement than any of the other Ms.
Craig's Bond is supposed to have had a career in the military (which is also true of Fleming's Bond), and while CR showcases his first outing as a fully-fledged Double-0 he has spent some time as a secret operative as well. . .so he wouldn't be some wet-behind-the-ears fellow in his early 20s. It's also plausible that he would be new to the "finer" things in life--vodka martinis, tuxedos, etc. Plenty of people develop interests and passions later in life. We do indeed continue to grow.
Bond is an easy punching bag for the pretentious white elite, especially these days. Matt Damon and scores of thinkpiece-style blogger types also come to mind. Sadly for them, James Bond will return.
Hey, I'm a "think-piece blogger type" and I wrote what I thought was a well-reasoned think-piece about why Matt Damon was wrong. Don't lump all us blogger types together.
Craig's Bond is supposed to have had a career in the military (which is also true of Fleming's Bond), and while CR showcases his first outing as a fully-fledged Double-0 he has spent some time as a secret operative as well. . .so he wouldn't be some wet-behind-the-ears fellow in his early 20s. It's also plausible that he would be new to the "finer" things in life--vodka martinis, tuxedos, etc. Plenty of people develop interests and passions later in life. We do indeed continue to grow.
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The Casino Royale website had a detailed biography of 007 at the time of the film's release. His military record:
Bond is an easy punching bag for the pretentious white elite, especially these days. Matt Damon and scores of thinkpiece-style blogger types also come to mind. Sadly for them, James Bond will return.
Hey, I'm a "think-piece blogger type" and I wrote what I thought was a well-reasoned think-piece about why Matt Damon was wrong. Don't lump all us blogger types together.
There are, of course, exceptions to the rule. I like your response to Damon. But my comment still stands. Bond does not comport with what is currently fashionable among the cultural elite. 2012 was something of a high water mark in terms of general goodwill. I don't think we'll see those heights again.
Craig's Bond is supposed to have had a career in the military (which is also true of Fleming's Bond), and while CR showcases his first outing as a fully-fledged Double-0 he has spent some time as a secret operative as well. . .so he wouldn't be some wet-behind-the-ears fellow in his early 20s. It's also plausible that he would be new to the "finer" things in life--vodka martinis, tuxedos, etc. Plenty of people develop interests and passions later in life. We do indeed continue to grow.
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The Casino Royale website had a detailed biography of 007 at the time of the film's release. His military record:
That modernized Dossier for the CR re-boot has always been a favorite of mine. I think reading it prior to veiwing CR really puts things in context and perspective. Understanding that Bond was somewhat of a "Super Soldier" prior to his promotion to intelligence operations and eventual recruitment into MI6 explains alot of his actions in CR. His pre-MI6 exploits could make a pretty good film unto itself.
I meant novice 00 agent, as it's assumed he was promoted from being some other kind of agent for MI6. But it seems like he's fairly new to being any kind of agent in CR since he stills has poor judgement.
All the bonds have displayed poor judgement one way or another.
But not so consistently. Then again, in Craig's Bond films M (Mansfield) also displays more poor judgement than any of the other Ms.
Except maybe twine where she managed to get herself kidnapped maybe?
Not a fan of Goode for Bond. Turner is pretty much neck and neck with Tom Hiddleston at the top of my list but still holding out hope that Craig returns.
I see the Fleming Bond here, the class and danger in his eyes. Perfect age too at 32.
I'm not familiar with Mr. Turner, but I get a "Timothy Dalton vibe" from these photos. Which is a good thing in my opinion! (Sorry Higgins!)
I've seen him in And Then There Were None and I definitely got the Dalton vibe from him. I could easily see him playing Fleming's Bond more than any of the other candidates.
I've seen him in And Then There Were None and I definitely got the Dalton vibe from him. I could easily see him playing Fleming's Bond more than any of the other candidates.
I've not seen And Then There Were None but I have seen the first two seasons of Poldark and I also got a definate Dalton vibe from Turner also...which I like being a big Dalton/Bond fan. His voice, the way he delivers lines and his intensity are all mindful of Dalton. From a strictly physical standpoint, his height and build are much more Craig than Dalton. The literary Bond is certainly in there to be tapped, but that is more of a function of the script than the actor. From a cinematic Bond standpoint, after viewing two seasons of Poldark, which is a physical role I have no doubt that Turner can be convincing and handle the physicality of the Bond role, especially in the context of the public's expectations of the modern Bond as action hero or in more Bondian terms "blunt instrument' or man of action. The character of Ross Poldark, as played by Turner is no stereotypical "Upper class, English Dandy" but a rough and tough military veteran and man of the people with a rebellious nature and healthy disrespect for authority and the status quo. Turner pulls this off very well while still presenting as well educated and mannered which is a good recipe for Bond. The only thing I have yet to see him do is display the sardonic wit which Connery brought to the cinematic Bond that was difficult for Dalton to pull off and not Daniel Craig's strength either. The sardonic wit is something I believe that Tom Hiddleston could bring back to the role. I can picture Hiddleston as Bond in the PTS of GF nailing the "shocking, simply shocking" line with a convincing sardonic glare but I'm not convinced it would work with Turner...but one never knows. Just some more musings from a bored Bond fan in these times of no Bond news.
FYI, this is the U.S. market only, but this list from Box Office Mojo ranks 25 Bond films (the 24 Eon movies plus Never Say Never Again) by number of tickets sold.
The Craig and Brosnan movies are mostly equal with one notable exception -- Skyfall, which comes in at No. 3.
FYI, this is the U.S. market only, but this list from Box Office Mojo ranks 25 Bond films (the 24 Eon movies plus Never Say Never Again) by number of tickets sold.
The Craig and Brosnan movies are mostly equal with one notable exception -- Skyfall, which comes in at No. 3.
Those ticket numbers are only for the US. The hallmark of the Craig era Bond franchise is the explosion in overseas (speaking as a Yank) ticket sales. Overseas box office made up 62.7% of DAD's box office but 77.3% of Spectre's.
FYI, this is the U.S. market only, but this list from Box Office Mojo ranks 25 Bond films (the 24 Eon movies plus Never Say Never Again) by number of tickets sold.
The Craig and Brosnan movies are mostly equal with one notable exception -- Skyfall, which comes in at No. 3.
DAD was not a box office failure by any stretch. I think EON's thought process was to address longevity, both financially and artistically in a proactive way when they re-booted with Craig. Add in having their hands on the CR novel was another strong motivation.
I see Tom Hardy is stoking the flames in a recent interview. Hopefully there's nothing to that. I think he would be a dreadful Bond.
I like Hardy, but I'll confess that half the time I have no idea what he's saying. I can see (hear) it now: "MoynimeizBawnd, JimezBawnd, anoiloikmoimarteeneezshikennawtstird. . ."
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Hear! Hear!
Well said. I just hope he returns before I'm nursing home material.
I also felt that that line was about his recklessness and not age, although I thought the Cragster to be at the top end of plausible age wise I don't think it damaged the film at all. I was also highly sceptical when he was cast, but CR is a series highpoint and ranks with the best in my view. My residual issue was that the rough edges were never smoothed out enough in later films.
I meant novice 00 agent, as it's assumed he was promoted from being some other kind of agent for MI6. But it seems like he's fairly new to being any kind of agent in CR since he stills has poor judgement.
But not so consistently. Then again, in Craig's Bond films M (Mansfield) also displays more poor judgement than any of the other Ms.
Hey, I'm a "think-piece blogger type" and I wrote what I thought was a well-reasoned think-piece about why Matt Damon was wrong. Don't lump all us blogger types together.
https://cdwilsher.com/index.php/2016/07/21/whats-matt-damon-talking-about/
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The Casino Royale website had a detailed biography of 007 at the time of the film's release. His military record:
https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_21_007_dossier2.php3
There are, of course, exceptions to the rule. I like your response to Damon. But my comment still stands. Bond does not comport with what is currently fashionable among the cultural elite. 2012 was something of a high water mark in terms of general goodwill. I don't think we'll see those heights again.
That modernized Dossier for the CR re-boot has always been a favorite of mine. I think reading it prior to veiwing CR really puts things in context and perspective. Understanding that Bond was somewhat of a "Super Soldier" prior to his promotion to intelligence operations and eventual recruitment into MI6 explains alot of his actions in CR. His pre-MI6 exploits could make a pretty good film unto itself.
Yeah, that was a bad move.
Look how cool Turner looks here: http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/05/poldarks-aidan-turner-is-preparing-to-steal-bond-out-from-under-tom-hardy-5735666/
I see the Fleming Bond here, the class and danger in his eyes. Perfect age too at 32.
1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I've seen him in And Then There Were None and I definitely got the Dalton vibe from him. I could easily see him playing Fleming's Bond more than any of the other candidates.
I've not seen And Then There Were None but I have seen the first two seasons of Poldark and I also got a definate Dalton vibe from Turner also...which I like being a big Dalton/Bond fan. His voice, the way he delivers lines and his intensity are all mindful of Dalton. From a strictly physical standpoint, his height and build are much more Craig than Dalton. The literary Bond is certainly in there to be tapped, but that is more of a function of the script than the actor. From a cinematic Bond standpoint, after viewing two seasons of Poldark, which is a physical role I have no doubt that Turner can be convincing and handle the physicality of the Bond role, especially in the context of the public's expectations of the modern Bond as action hero or in more Bondian terms "blunt instrument' or man of action. The character of Ross Poldark, as played by Turner is no stereotypical "Upper class, English Dandy" but a rough and tough military veteran and man of the people with a rebellious nature and healthy disrespect for authority and the status quo. Turner pulls this off very well while still presenting as well educated and mannered which is a good recipe for Bond. The only thing I have yet to see him do is display the sardonic wit which Connery brought to the cinematic Bond that was difficult for Dalton to pull off and not Daniel Craig's strength either. The sardonic wit is something I believe that Tom Hiddleston could bring back to the role. I can picture Hiddleston as Bond in the PTS of GF nailing the "shocking, simply shocking" line with a convincing sardonic glare but I'm not convinced it would work with Turner...but one never knows. Just some more musings from a bored Bond fan in these times of no Bond news.
Made me chuckle........ see what I did there ?
The Craig and Brosnan movies are mostly equal with one notable exception -- Skyfall, which comes in at No. 3.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=jamesbond.htm&adjust_yr=1&p=.htm
And poor Timmy......
1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
Those ticket numbers are only for the US. The hallmark of the Craig era Bond franchise is the explosion in overseas (speaking as a Yank) ticket sales. Overseas box office made up 62.7% of DAD's box office but 77.3% of Spectre's.
DAD was not a box office failure by any stretch. I think EON's thought process was to address longevity, both financially and artistically in a proactive way when they re-booted with Craig. Add in having their hands on the CR novel was another strong motivation.
I like Hardy, but I'll confess that half the time I have no idea what he's saying. I can see (hear) it now: "MoynimeizBawnd, JimezBawnd, anoiloikmoimarteeneezshikennawtstird. . ."