I honestly think there has been some sort of disagreement between dc and eon or mendes and dc is waiting for a script.
I mean come on give the guy a break, this is the man who read all the novels and worked hard to be true in a modern sense to Flemings character, and who in an interview when asked why his bond wasn't comical anymore answerd "have you read the books? Did you roll around laughing at them?" and who also said "I don't do shtick, I can't do shtick, we need to distance bond from Austin powers" and who then gets sp's script and story arc, I bet he was delighted about that.
I didn't know he read all the books and was personally in favor of a more Fleming-esque Bond! Makes me like him even more. However, is the other part of your post pure speculation though, because it has been said it was Craig who specifically wanted Mendes back (and the latter didn't write the SPECTRE script himself, did he?)
I'm actually undecided as to whether Craig should return. It seems there are two camps here, a large majority who wants him back and a minority who didn't like him as Bond and hope he's gone. I've enjoyed all of his films and think he is a great Bond. Though I did like the direction and feel of CR and QOS (despite its flaws) better than Skyfall (though visually excellent) and SPECTRE. I had a weird feeling about Craig in Spectre, who still acts well but I thought his portrayal had lost some of the energy or enthusiasm he put into the role earlier. I thought it was him growing tired of the role but based on what you said it could very well be that he was simply unhappy with some of the decisions that had been made. A new actor could increase the pressure on the rest of the team to come up with a movie that can stand on its own legs, however if they can pull off another really good one with Craig, and he is indeed secretly lobbying towards that goal, then they should by all means keep him
don't forget those who love Craig's Bond but think that SP was a sign that perhaps his tenure has ran its course.
I don't see SPECTRE as the complete disaster that some others do. I see it more as a flawed, missed opportunity that followed a huge critically acclaimed megahit in Skyfall. I actually enjoyed SPECTRE very much the two times I saw it in the theater. As I have said previously, I don't believe that EON/MGM/Sony see SPECTRE as a failure, at least box office-wise and Craig is not even remotely the problem unless you just don't like him in the role. That being said, if Barbara Broccoli and the rest of the EON braintrust (I'm not including MGM as they are just the bankers in suites) are as understanding and intuitive as they proved with the gamble they took on CR and the reboot they will understand that some tweeks need to be made or with the next film, Bond could move a bit backwards with the rest of the pack. If Craig returns, EON needs to tighten things back up and play to Craig's strengths (especially an older Craig) by delivering a Bond film that has a superior script that delivers intrigue, suspense and thrills as opposed to a few big stunts. Craig's Bond is no longer the blunt instrument of CR or QOS but he is still a killer who operates in a universe of high stakes and deadly risk....and the audience needs to feel that again. There were moments of that in SPECTRE, but not nearly enough.
I was a huge fan of Craig's Bond, but I hope he's done. It's time. I had come around to the idea of Hiddleston, and I'm still hoping that the role is his.
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I don't see SPECTRE as the complete disaster that some others do. I see it more as a flawed, missed opportunity that followed a huge critically acclaimed megahit in Skyfall. I actually enjoyed SPECTRE very much the two times I saw it in the theater. As I have said previously, I don't believe that EON/MGM/Sony see SPECTRE as a failure, at least box office-wise and Craig is not even remotely the problem unless you just don't like him in the role. That being said, if Barbara Broccoli and the rest of the EON braintrust (I'm not including MGM as they are just the bankers in suites) are as understanding and intuitive as they proved with the gamble they took on CR and the reboot they will understand that some tweeks need to be made or with the next film, Bond could move a bit backwards with the rest of the pack. If Craig returns, EON needs to tighten things back up and play to Craig's strengths (especially an older Craig) by delivering a Bond film that has a superior script that delivers intrigue, suspense and thrills as opposed to a few big stunts. Craig's Bond is no longer the blunt instrument of CR or QOS but he is still a killer who operates in a universe of high stakes and deadly risk....and the audience needs to feel that again. There were moments of that in SPECTRE, but not nearly enough.
Well-stated {[] There's plenty to enjoy in SP, IMO, whilst conceding it's not a top-tier Bond outing by any means. It's probably my least favorite Craig Bond---but it still soars, stratospherically, above several other entries.
For my own part, not having seen nor heard any long excerpts from Craig's big event interview, I continue to think that he's probably done with Bond, but I admit to being intrigued by his ambiguous view of his Bond future. If the Hiddleston inside intel holds up, then Craig is angling for a big-money play, or of course script approval (if so, they'd best have some new blood there, at least).
These are the 'dog days' for fandom. No news; no foreseeable prospect of any
Ah well. Back to observing the prologue of Dystopia
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I honestly think there has been some sort of disagreement between dc and eon or mendes and dc is waiting for a script.
I mean come on give the guy a break, this is the man who read all the novels and worked hard to be true in a modern sense to Flemings character, and who in an interview when asked why his bond wasn't comical anymore answerd "have you read the books? Did you roll around laughing at them?" and who also said "I don't do shtick, I can't do shtick, we need to distance bond from Austin powers" and who then gets sp's script and story arc, I bet he was delighted about that.
I didn't know he read all the books and was personally in favor of a more Fleming-esque Bond! Makes me like him even more. However, is the other part of your post pure speculation though, because it has been said it was Craig who specifically wanted Mendes back (and the latter didn't write the SPECTRE script himself, did he?)
I'm actually undecided as to whether Craig should return. It seems there are two camps here, a large majority who wants him back and a minority who didn't like him as Bond and hope he's gone. I've enjoyed all of his films and think he is a great Bond. Though I did like the direction and feel of CR and QOS (despite its flaws) better than Skyfall (though visually excellent) and SPECTRE. I had a weird feeling about Craig in Spectre, who still acts well but I thought his portrayal had lost some of the energy or enthusiasm he put into the role earlier. I thought it was him growing tired of the role but based on what you said it could very well be that he was simply unhappy with some of the decisions that had been made. A new actor could increase the pressure on the rest of the team to come up with a movie that can stand on its own legs, however if they can pull off another really good one with Craig, and he is indeed secretly lobbying towards that goal, then they should by all means keep him
Mendes was heavily involved in the script from the start and I have read that mendes would only return if he got the script he wanted, Daniel Craig brought mendes in for sf for sure, I don't know if he was insistent on him back for sp as some have stated? But during the filming process I think things have got a bit tense between them, I know that happens a lot on set but I see a definite cooling there, mendes definitely moved sp in a direction dc had previously commented negatively on. Throw in the fact mendes used to date Rachel wiesz and it's not hard to imagine.
Howardb, I completely agree, I love many parts in sp, but I can recognise some parts that could have been done better (IMHO) and the missed opportunity,
I too had moved on from Daniel Craig and was looking at Tom hiddleston up until his Taylor Swift faux pas. But I'd be overjoyed at one more dc bond. Let's just hope they produce a great script and story for whoever is in the next film.
Many on here who never liked dc are hoping he's done, many hope he'll be back and some would be happy to him do one more then call it a day, Id like to see one more from him, but if that's not to be then so be it I'll give the new actor my support until he proves he doesn't deserve it. One thing is certain though and that is if dc is done he has given us some great moments, some new fans and left the franchise in a very good position making it completely viable to move forward.
Many on here who never liked dc are hoping he's done, many hope he'll be back and some would be happy to him do one more then call it a day, Id like to see one more from him, but if that's not to be then so be it I'll give the new actor my support until he proves he doesn't deserve it. One thing is certain though and that is if dc is done he has given us some great moments, some new fans and left the franchise in a very good position making it completely viable to move forward.
I'm a big fan of Craig, but I'd like to see somebody new. The last scene of Spectre seemed to wrap up the Craig era.
Well I know what you mean but if we discount the ridiculous James bond is a codename theory then if bond quit is that the end? Continuity is something not very precise in the franchise, dc could come back with no mention of swann or the happenings of Spectre, if a new actor is to be bond then they have the continuity issues as Craig returning, I'm actually not that upset if Craig comes back or he doesn't! Dc is still my favourite actor and bond is still my favourite movies.
The hero quitting at the end or appearing to quit is a common cliche in many movie series. Dirty Harry used to throw his badge away at the end of films to the point that I asssumed he was on the Police Department Ultimate Frisbee Team. With regards to Mendes, hindsight tells us that one Bond film was enough for him. He appeared to attempt to balance out his own excesses regarding Bond's past, etc with "classic" Bond elements and this time around it just didn't work as well.
Many on here who never liked dc are hoping he's done, many hope he'll be back and some would be happy to him do one more then call it a day, Id like to see one more from him, but if that's not to be then so be it I'll give the new actor my support until he proves he doesn't deserve it. One thing is certain though and that is if dc is done he has given us some great moments, some new fans and left the franchise in a very good position making it completely viable to move forward.
Hes given us four fantastic bond films ......so far .hes the best best bond of all .
Craig had previously been playing hard to get, all the Bond actors do this when not under contract...
This recent interview he gave tells me that he's now looking to get a deal done with Babs and I think that will be it then for Craig's Bond.
Personally i'd like him back for one more - Spectre was a bit underwhelming, as was Waltz as Blofeld, so perhaps a second bite of the cherry for him too.
Japanese proverb say, "Bird never make nest in bare tree".
The hero quitting at the end or appearing to quit is a common cliche in many movie series. Dirty Harry used to throw his badge away at the end of films to the point that I asssumed he was on the Police Department Ultimate Frisbee Team. With regards to Mendes, hindsight tells us that one Bond film was enough for him. He appeared to attempt to balance out his own excesses regarding Bond's past, etc with "classic" Bond elements and this time around it just didn't work as well.
Yes but when Dirty Harry quit his department wasn't shut down. In this case, the 00 program is shuddered because HMG puts all its chips on the surveillance program, so now Bond is out of a job and can go DB5ing with Madeleine.
Which, IMO, was always the intended cliffhanger, as there were rumors\reports 24 and 25 were being scripted\produced (not filmed, but coming up with story, locations, a very rough first draft, etc.) back-to-back. Technically, so is M (and I'm assuming Moneypenny, Q, and Tanner).
Bond is hiding away somewhere\touring the world with Madeleine, M gets reinstated, Blofeld escapes, Madeleine is killed or injured or kidnapped to convince Bond to assist Blofeld's master scheme, Bond comes back. Great opportunity to introduce Rosa Klebb, Irma Bunt, new Bond women, more Hinx, etc.
Maybe I'm not very creative but this is where I see the film going, so it's basically The Bourne Supremacy\Commando mashup.
Well you actually just made my point for me.....the writers can go in any direction they want just like you made your own interpretation of events and eventualities. In pre-Craig Bond films, past events were barely given acknowledgement....the series just moved along.
Well I know what you mean but if we discount the ridiculous James bond is a codename theory then if bond quit is that the end? Continuity is something not very precise in the franchise, dc could come back with no mention of swann or the happenings of Spectre, if a new actor is to be bond then they have the continuity issues as Craig returning, I'm actually not that upset if Craig comes back or he doesn't! Dc is still my favourite actor and bond is still my favourite movies.
Two words: soft reboot. Start all over again. To the Craig detractors they can imagine that Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, and Spectre were just a bad dream.
Hes given us four fantastic bond films ......so far .hes the best best bond of all .
Skyfall is his only exceptional entry. QOS and SP are heavily flawed and bottom tier Bonds and CR is both vacuous and generic. I think the Bourne films might be more suited to your tastes.
Two words: soft reboot. Start all over again. To the Craig detractors they can imagine that Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, and Spectre were just a bad dream.
Yeah I agree with this.
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I don't see SPECTRE as the complete disaster that some others do. I see it more as a flawed, missed opportunity that followed a huge critically acclaimed megahit in Skyfall. I actually enjoyed SPECTRE very much the two times I saw it in the theater. As I have said previously, I don't believe that EON/MGM/Sony see SPECTRE as a failure, at least box office-wise and Craig is not even remotely the problem unless you just don't like him in the role. That being said, if Barbara Broccoli and the rest of the EON braintrust (I'm not including MGM as they are just the bankers in suites) are as understanding and intuitive as they proved with the gamble they took on CR and the reboot they will understand that some tweeks need to be made or with the next film, Bond could move a bit backwards with the rest of the pack. If Craig returns, EON needs to tighten things back up and play to Craig's strengths (especially an older Craig) by delivering a Bond film that has a superior script that delivers intrigue, suspense and thrills as opposed to a few big stunts. Craig's Bond is no longer the blunt instrument of CR or QOS but he is still a killer who operates in a universe of high stakes and deadly risk....and the audience needs to feel that again. There were moments of that in SPECTRE, but not nearly enough.
Well-stated {[] There's plenty to enjoy in SP, IMO, whilst conceding it's not a top-tier Bond outing by any means. It's probably my least favorite Craig Bond---but it still soars, stratospherically, above several other entries.
For my own part, not having seen nor heard any long excerpts from Craig's big event interview, I continue to think that he's probably done with Bond, but I admit to being intrigued by his ambiguous view of his Bond future. If the Hiddleston inside intel holds up, then Craig is angling for a big-money play, or of course script approval (if so, they'd best have some new blood there, at least).
These are the 'dog days' for fandom. No news; no foreseeable prospect of any
Ah well. Back to observing the prologue of Dystopia
I think it sounds like he's either coming back or wants to -- it's odd to me this is the first time he's really spoken about comments made months ago. The timing seems to be strategic unless he is mending fences.
I think it sounds like he's either coming back or wants to -- it's odd to me this is the first time he's really spoken about comments made months ago. The timing seems to be strategic unless he is mending fences.
It usually comes down to the age old adage "Bullsh..t walks and money talks". From a financial perspective, EON and MGM need Craig to optimize their profits. For EON, another appearance as Bond by Craig further bulletproofs Bond 25's box office appeal. For MGM it sets them up for a much more favorable distribution deal with whatever company steps up to the plate. For Craig, it sets him up for far and away his biggest payday and he never has to second guess himself that he walked away too soon. While Craig appears to be one who doesn't crave the spotlight, we shouldn't kid ourselves that he has no ego and as much as he loves doing theater, etc he is only a superstar when he appears as Bond. This is all theory on my part but who knows?
Hes given us four fantastic bond films ......so far .hes the best best bond of all .
Skyfall is his only exceptional entry. QOS and SP are heavily flawed and bottom tier Bonds and CR is both vacuous and generic. I think the Bourne films might be more suited to your tastes.
Two words: soft reboot. Start all over again. To the Craig detractors they can imagine that Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, and Spectre were just a bad dream.
Yeah I agree with this.
Well i think bond is better than bourne it has more class ,and each to his own ....you may not like craig but you are stuck with him as he will do one more ......me personally I am looking forward to seeing him as bond one more time .
The ones who dont like craig should simply not see the films....maybe wait till 2021 thats when a new actor will take over
I think it sounds like he's either coming back or wants to -- it's odd to me this is the first time he's really spoken about comments made months ago. The timing seems to be strategic unless he is mending fences.
It usually comes done to the age old adage "Bullsh..t walks and money talks". From a financial perspective, EON and MGM need Craig to optimize their profits. For EON, another appearance as Bond by Craig further bulletproofs Bond 25's box office appeal. For MGM it sets them up for a much more favorable distribution deal with whatever company steps up to the plate. For Craig, it sets him up for far and away his biggest payday and he never has to second guess himself that he walked away too soon. While Craig appears to be one who doesn't crave the spotlight, we shouldn't kid ourselves that he has no ego and as much as he loves doing theater, etc he is only a superstar when he appears as Bond. This is all theory on my part but who knows?
I think this is pretty accurate and that all the drama also builds up suspense to see the next movie when it comes out.
Hes given us four fantastic bond films ......so far .hes the best best bond of all .
Skyfall is his only exceptional entry. QOS and SP are heavily flawed and bottom tier Bonds and CR is both vacuous and generic. I think the Bourne films might be more suited to your tastes.
Two words: soft reboot. Start all over again. To the Craig detractors they can imagine that Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, and Spectre were just a bad dream.
Yeah I agree with this.
Well i think bond is better than bourne it has more class ,and each to his own ....you may not like craig but you are stuck with him as he will do one more ......me personally I am looking forward to seeing him as bond one more time .
The ones who dont like craig should simply not see the films....maybe wait till 2021 thats when a new actor will take over
Ok big boy.
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"- That is something to be afraid of."
Well-stated {[] There's plenty to enjoy in SP, IMO, whilst conceding it's not a top-tier Bond outing by any means. It's probably my least favorite Craig Bond---but it still soars, stratospherically, above several other entries.
For my own part, not having seen nor heard any long excerpts from Craig's big event interview, I continue to think that he's probably done with Bond, but I admit to being intrigued by his ambiguous view of his Bond future. If the Hiddleston inside intel holds up, then Craig is angling for a big-money play, or of course script approval (if so, they'd best have some new blood there, at least).
These are the 'dog days' for fandom. No news; no foreseeable prospect of any
Ah well. Back to observing the prologue of Dystopia
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Mendes was heavily involved in the script from the start and I have read that mendes would only return if he got the script he wanted, Daniel Craig brought mendes in for sf for sure, I don't know if he was insistent on him back for sp as some have stated? But during the filming process I think things have got a bit tense between them, I know that happens a lot on set but I see a definite cooling there, mendes definitely moved sp in a direction dc had previously commented negatively on. Throw in the fact mendes used to date Rachel wiesz and it's not hard to imagine.
Howardb, I completely agree, I love many parts in sp, but I can recognise some parts that could have been done better (IMHO) and the missed opportunity,
I too had moved on from Daniel Craig and was looking at Tom hiddleston up until his Taylor Swift faux pas. But I'd be overjoyed at one more dc bond. Let's just hope they produce a great script and story for whoever is in the next film.
Waltherp99 and loeffs I'm in total agreement -{
I'm a big fan of Craig, but I'd like to see somebody new. The last scene of Spectre seemed to wrap up the Craig era.
This recent interview he gave tells me that he's now looking to get a deal done with Babs and I think that will be it then for Craig's Bond.
Personally i'd like him back for one more - Spectre was a bit underwhelming, as was Waltz as Blofeld, so perhaps a second bite of the cherry for him too.
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Yes but when Dirty Harry quit his department wasn't shut down. In this case, the 00 program is shuddered because HMG puts all its chips on the surveillance program, so now Bond is out of a job and can go DB5ing with Madeleine.
Which, IMO, was always the intended cliffhanger, as there were rumors\reports 24 and 25 were being scripted\produced (not filmed, but coming up with story, locations, a very rough first draft, etc.) back-to-back. Technically, so is M (and I'm assuming Moneypenny, Q, and Tanner).
Bond is hiding away somewhere\touring the world with Madeleine, M gets reinstated, Blofeld escapes, Madeleine is killed or injured or kidnapped to convince Bond to assist Blofeld's master scheme, Bond comes back. Great opportunity to introduce Rosa Klebb, Irma Bunt, new Bond women, more Hinx, etc.
Maybe I'm not very creative but this is where I see the film going, so it's basically The Bourne Supremacy\Commando mashup.
Two words: soft reboot. Start all over again. To the Craig detractors they can imagine that Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, and Spectre were just a bad dream.
Skyfall is his only exceptional entry. QOS and SP are heavily flawed and bottom tier Bonds and CR is both vacuous and generic. I think the Bourne films might be more suited to your tastes.
Yeah I agree with this.
It usually comes down to the age old adage "Bullsh..t walks and money talks". From a financial perspective, EON and MGM need Craig to optimize their profits. For EON, another appearance as Bond by Craig further bulletproofs Bond 25's box office appeal. For MGM it sets them up for a much more favorable distribution deal with whatever company steps up to the plate. For Craig, it sets him up for far and away his biggest payday and he never has to second guess himself that he walked away too soon. While Craig appears to be one who doesn't crave the spotlight, we shouldn't kid ourselves that he has no ego and as much as he loves doing theater, etc he is only a superstar when he appears as Bond. This is all theory on my part but who knows?
The ones who dont like craig should simply not see the films....maybe wait till 2021 thats when a new actor will take over
Ok big boy.