I think with Craig's brusque style, he could actually deliver that as a pickup line
Connery would try harder to be smooth, Moore definitely would think up something witty and charming
but Craig would say something like that as a ruse to get a woman upstairs and some lady, somewhere, might find it intriguing
.The climax is at the Castle of Death.
.Have the final scene at a lavish casino. DC goes out the same way he came in.
thought about this some more, and realised you did describe the Castle of Death in your wish list. Do you imagine Bond is presumed dead and amnesiac, as in the book? or a more normal mission completed, then he goes to the casino?
because maybe the world does think he's dead, but instead of the Japanese fishing village, he's revealed alive but anonymous at some casino.
I speculated in another thread maybe the fishing village is too particular to Fleming's vision of paradise, and what would be a more film-series centric vision of paradise? maybe those casinos we keep seeing! he clearly enjoys that environment. and Connery, Lazenby, Brosnan and Craig all had casino scenes in their first films
how about this? castle explodes, Bond presumed dead, everybody mourns Bond for a few minutes and its very sad.
fade to black, pause...
...fade back into tight shot of a man's hands holding cards at the casino. A woman is flirting with him. Camera pans up to reveal man's face, exact same camera movement as Dr No. It's Craig. But instead of saying his name (which maybe he's forgotten, but not how to gamble), he says...
"You know, The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning".
Woman nods, Bond smiles, puts his hand on her shoulder and escorts her away from the table and up to his room. Roll credits.
Film-Bond vision of paradise, symmetrical with the film-series, symmetrical with Fleming.
Perfection. I'm a sucker for happy endings so it totally works.
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thought about this some more, and realised you did describe the Castle of Death in your wish list. Do you imagine Bond is presumed dead and amnesiac, as in the book? or a more normal mission completed, then he goes to the casino?
because maybe the world does think he's dead, but instead of the Japanese fishing village, he's revealed alive but anonymous at some casino.
I speculated in another thread maybe the fishing village is too particular to Fleming's vision of paradise, and what would be a more film-series centric vision of paradise? maybe those casinos we keep seeing! he clearly enjoys that environment. and Connery, Lazenby, Brosnan and Craig all had casino scenes in their first films
how about this? castle explodes, Bond presumed dead, everybody mourns Bond for a few minutes and its very sad.
fade to black, pause...
...fade back into tight shot of a man's hands holding cards at the casino. A woman is flirting with him. Camera pans up to reveal man's face, exact same camera movement as Dr No. It's Craig. But instead of saying his name (which maybe he's forgotten, but not how to gamble), he says...
"You know, The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning".
Woman nods, Bond smiles, puts his hand on her shoulder and escorts her away from the table and up to his room. Roll credits.
Film-Bond vision of paradise, symmetrical with the film-series, symmetrical with Fleming.
I like your thinking except
1. Very similiar to the Dark Knight Rises ending.
2. "the smoke and sweat" line is an awesome book opening line, but not a line of dialogue Bond would say to a girl.
Indeed he would be better off signing out with Connerys opening line, though he did that at the CR finale
I gotta say, not bad. A full circle kind of thing. I like it. -{
I like your thinking except
1. Very similiar to the Dark Knight Rises ending.
2. "the smoke and sweat" line is an awesome book opening line, but not a line of dialogue Bond would say to a girl.
Indeed he would be better off signing out with Connerys opening line, though he did that at the CR finale
When did Craig say "I admire your courage miss"?
That is the perfect line of dialogue to say to a woman!
There seems to be a lot of hate for Spectre on this board, but I think MGM and the studios would have loved it and they, whomever gets the distribution rights, will call the shots on the Bond25 script.
Despite it's third act flaws, Spectre's $880m worldwide box office, $200m in the US alone (more than feted Nolan's Dunkirk's got in the US, it's at $160m) made it the sixth biggest movie of 2015 grossing more worldwide than Mission Impossible 6 (Boxofficemojo figures). And $880 worldwide is more than what Deadpool, Suicide Squad and X Men Apocalypse grossed in 2016.
Yes, Skyfall got over a billion, but it brought back Q and killed off one M and brought in a new M. People have said to me that those changes for the established characters were a big reason they liked the film. And I agree it was a good film. I'm a fan of Mendes' other stuff.
So, I am not so sure that the studio would want to go down the YOLT adaptation route for Bond25, which seems so popular here. For the same reason the 1960s YOLT movie is nothing like the book, I think the book's story is just not going to fly with the average Bond audience who want a familiar action adventure.
On the topic of whether Madeleine shold come back to Bond25. I agree the development of the Bond, Madeleine relationship was weak in Spectre but that means Bond25 is an opportunity to develop it. Why not have Madeleine taken hostage by Spectre and ex-double-oh Bond has to carry out a mission for Blofeld to save her life? A mission against NATO? President Trump would like that.
There seems to be an obsession with killing off Madeleine at the start on this board, or to just forget about her. Why not kill her off in the middle of the film? At the end would be a bit too much CR all over again.
After making QoS a direct sequel to Casino and tying it all together for Spectre, I can't imagine we'll get a standalone movie that ignores all the others. They went to all that trouble to bring back Blofeld (shame about the foster brother sub-plot but there you go) and tie all the films together and rather than a 'did he or didn't he' death scene Blofeld was captured.
I think we'll see Blofeld back. Maybe Madeleine will have just quit Bond? But, studios being studios I wouldn't be too surprised if Bond25 is just called Spectre's Revenge.
Someone here won't flame you, because he agrees with (most) of the things that you said.
Allow me to be the first to welcome you to AJB007. You can introduce yourself on the off topic section in a thread named "Welcome/Comings and goings".
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An idea for a non-action orientated PTS. MI6 agrees to give Blofeld immunity in exchange for information about other known enemies of NATO. Both M and Bond are outraged by this decision. After Blofeld's release, M unofficially sends Bond after him with the help of Leiter.
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There seems to be a lot of hate for Spectre on this board, but I think MGM and the studios would have loved it and they, whomever gets the distribution rights, will call the shots on the Bond25 script.
First of all, welcome to the AJB and whether or not people agree or disagree with your comments, opinions, etc they are also very welcome.
With regards to whomever gets the distribution rights calling the shots on the script, I would highly doubt that would be a reality. Whomever gets the distribution rights is basically a third wheel and while they will get some input, it will be much less than you might think. EON still actually makes the Bond films; they cast them, hire the director, hire the writers, etc, etc.
I do agree with many of your points with regards to SPECTRE not being seen by EON as the disaster many here see it as...but you have to understand many here are looking at it more from an artistic perspective and with a very, very critical eye. That being said, the current generation at EON look at things a bit differently than Cubby and don't like to stand on their laurels and like to think that the Craig Bond films have risen higher in the eyes of film critics and they probably would like to get back to the critical and popular success of Skyfall especially since this will most likely be Craig's last go around as Bond.
There seems to be a lot of hate for Spectre on this board, but I think MGM and the studios would have loved it and they, whomever gets the distribution rights, will call the shots on the Bond25 script.
welcome new agent
you are absolutely right, the filmmakers (and their corporate masters) are going to make exactly the type of film they believe works in today' markets, and however much we might complain about SPECTRE or the earlier Craig films, they have been financially successful.
Much of what you read here is us indulging in what we would like to see. Them Brocolli kids aren't taking notes of what we want, and we're all realist/cynical enough to know that.
So, I am not so sure that the studio would want to go down the YOLT adaptation route for Bond25, which seems so popular here. For the same reason the 1960s YOLT movie is nothing like the book, I think the book's story is just not going to fly with the average Bond audience who want a familiar action adventure.
yes but none of the four Craig films have been the familiar action adventure the average Bond audience wants. Even if the last two look a little more familiar, they both deviate wildly in their last acts.
And on the plus side, elements of Fleming's Casino Royale we always assumed were unfilmable (e.g. testicle torture and "the bitch is dead") did get directly adapted into the film. So there's some hope for us Flemingpurists.
I was watching Return of the Jedi the other night, and was naturally reminded of Goldmember, and therefor of SPECTRE
you realise they only adapted the first part of the Goldmember plottwist?
just the first part where we learned Austin and Dr Evil are brothers
but what about the resolution of the saga where the two brothers team up and save the world from a greater enemy, then hug when its all over?
well obviously SPECTRE has lots of dangling plotthreads that set it up for a direct sequel
therefor, never mind all the You Only Live Twice stuff, because clearly is what is planned for Bond25 is CraigBond and WaltzBlofeld must team up to save the world
I wonder who their common greater enemy is going to be?
Anyone make the joke yet of having Daniel Craig slash his wrist up pretty bad in the Pre-Title action sequence and saying, "It's just a flesh wound"? Seems like humor that would tickle the Brits.
Anyone make the joke yet of having Daniel Craig slash his wrist up pretty bad in the Pre-Title action sequence and saying, "It's just a flesh wound"? Seems like humor that would tickle the Brits.
For BOND 25 - I think it needs to be a totally new story - the past needs to be the past and Craig needs to go out with a bang. I feel he can only do this chasing a new villain...don't know about you guys but I've had enough of Eva Green, Bonds past etc - the story line needs refreshing!! Carte Blanche would be a great title!
I don't know if I believe it, but I hope it's half true. I don't wanted Madeleine to be "Tracy v. 2", but I would like to see Lucia Scarria back. Monica Bellucci's character would make a great wife/lover for Felix Leiter.
the article also claims someone named Yann Demange will be the director
just when I get caught up with Nolan, the Villeneuve rumours start. now here's a third director named I have to get caught up on
these articles also keep claiming Craig is choosing the director and the costars. Did any of the previous Bond actors have this privilege?
EDIT: looks like I don't have much catching up to do. Wikipedia shows this Demange fellow has made precisely one film.
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I do agree that Bond 25 needs a new direction, one away from Blofeld and his personal agony.
no I think Craig needs to finish the Blofeld story once and for all in 25, actually killing Blofeld!!
Why? Eon havnt battled for years for the rights to Spectre just to use them in a couple of films, possibly having those rights makes the franchise more valuable to any prospective buyer but the adopted step brother thing and the ridiculously clumsy and ill thought out concept that Spectre and Blofeld were behind everything wrong in bonds life just needs leaving in Spectre, the only way I'd like to see Blofeld back is if it's resolved that he was lying about all that just as a mind game, and that needs to be done early in the film.
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I do agree that Bond 25 needs a new direction, one away from Blofeld and his personal agony.
no I think Craig needs to finish the Blofeld story once and for all in 25, actually killing Blofeld!!
Why? Eon havnt battled for years for the rights to Spectre just to use them in a couple of films, possibly having those rights makes the franchise more valuable to any prospective buyer but the adopted step brother thing and the ridiculously clumsy and ill thought out concept that Spectre and Blofeld were behind everything wrong in bonds life just needs leaving in Spectre, the only way I'd like to see Blofeld back is if it's resolved that he was lying about all that just as a mind game, and that needs to be done early in the film.
I agree, Star Trek: Into Darkness did it two years earlier with Khan and they had the exact same problem as Spectre. Like Khan, most modern audiences aren't familiar with Blofeld and as evidenced by his lukewarm reception, didn't care for him. If Waltz wasn't lying about not returning then I think EON realized this as well and are hopefully moving in another direction with another villain who is an original creation.
As James bond was waging his latest battle against the evils of the world Q was feeding his cat in his small London flat. As he leaves the flat he, unknowingly, is followed by a white van. As he walks towards his local tube station the van pulls up and he is bundled into the back where he is drugged.
Q's non arrival at work is reported to M how tasks Monneypenny, who has become one of Q's few friends, to check on him. Having come up blank with her usual methods to trace Q, Moneypenny becomes worried and due to her training senses that there is more to Q's disappearance than meets the eye and contacts Bond who is mid Atlantic returning home.
Meanwhile Q has been bundled out of the country and ends up in a cold tower block flat on the outskirts of Moscow where he is being held by a radical state sponsored group of cyber hackers. The group have been systematically taking down sites all over the west, from banks and utility suppliers to hospital systems.
Their main goal though is access the main UK/NATO defense systems rendering them useless and aiding a massive land grab from the Russian state and they see Q as the perfect person to help them in this. Q refuses and is tortured.
Meantime Bond has arrived back in London and goes straight to the office where Monneypenny and Tanner brief him. Using the last remnants of C surveillance system from Spectre they manage to piece together what happened to Q and the trio trance that he was taken to a small airfield several hundred miles from Moscow.
Bond quickly sets off for the airfield where he is met by 009
009 welcomes Bond and offers him a life, however his car is a wreck, 9 comments that he was due to receive a new Aston but that somebody took it from Q's workshop before he could pick it up “Really” replied Bond with a knowing smile as he slipped into the car.
The pair then make their wary to Moscow.
Later on Bond begins to suspect something is suspicious about 009, how did the Russians know so much about Q and his movements? etc and finally he is about to confront him when a gun barrel is forced against the back of Bond's head. “Is this still about the car!” her quips.
The pair then enter a titanic battle.
Bond finally wins out and he sets off to free Q
Bond finally manages to locate Q and take down the ring distorting their location. Q plants a cyber work into their system which not only disables their system, but can trace the locations of the sites they have hacked as well as those ISP's where they have had help.
There is then a massive chase to the boarder where Russian state troops and Police try to catch the pair.
Finally they reach safety.
Then, in a high security prison in the UK, a mobile phone rings and the familiar voice of Blofeld her heard. The caller tells Blofeld that the plan has not worked. Blofeld coldly replies “That's disappointing, I guess we have to start phase two then!
If Craig is returning, I would assume Waltz would return as Blofeld too.
-Blofeld would escape from prison, and (most probably) align himself with Quantum, or a couple of Quantum agents (remember Dominic Greene was actually working for SPECTRE).
-We wouldn't see Madeleine again; maybe a brief mention that she's fine in a secluded location (We didn't hear from the other leading ladies after subsequent films, remember).
-We shouldn't see Judi Dench's M again. Also, I don't think Tanner should be required for the next film.
-I would love to see Bond visit countries which haven't been covered by the Bond films yet (Australia, New Zealand, Mongolia, Kenya for examples).
-We wouldn't see Madeleine again; maybe a brief mention that she's fine in a secluded location (We didn't hear from the other leading ladies after subsequent films, remember).
In the Craig films, anyone with unfinished business returns. Why would Madeleine be different? What happened in the Bond films before Craig doesn't count for anything in Craig's universe.
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Connery would try harder to be smooth, Moore definitely would think up something witty and charming
but Craig would say something like that as a ruse to get a woman upstairs and some lady, somewhere, might find it intriguing
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Indeed he would be better off signing out with Connerys opening line, though he did that at the CR finale
When did Craig say "I admire your courage miss"?
That is the perfect line of dialogue to say to a woman!
Despite it's third act flaws, Spectre's $880m worldwide box office, $200m in the US alone (more than feted Nolan's Dunkirk's got in the US, it's at $160m) made it the sixth biggest movie of 2015 grossing more worldwide than Mission Impossible 6 (Boxofficemojo figures). And $880 worldwide is more than what Deadpool, Suicide Squad and X Men Apocalypse grossed in 2016.
Yes, Skyfall got over a billion, but it brought back Q and killed off one M and brought in a new M. People have said to me that those changes for the established characters were a big reason they liked the film. And I agree it was a good film. I'm a fan of Mendes' other stuff.
So, I am not so sure that the studio would want to go down the YOLT adaptation route for Bond25, which seems so popular here. For the same reason the 1960s YOLT movie is nothing like the book, I think the book's story is just not going to fly with the average Bond audience who want a familiar action adventure.
On the topic of whether Madeleine shold come back to Bond25. I agree the development of the Bond, Madeleine relationship was weak in Spectre but that means Bond25 is an opportunity to develop it. Why not have Madeleine taken hostage by Spectre and ex-double-oh Bond has to carry out a mission for Blofeld to save her life? A mission against NATO? President Trump would like that.
There seems to be an obsession with killing off Madeleine at the start on this board, or to just forget about her. Why not kill her off in the middle of the film? At the end would be a bit too much CR all over again.
After making QoS a direct sequel to Casino and tying it all together for Spectre, I can't imagine we'll get a standalone movie that ignores all the others. They went to all that trouble to bring back Blofeld (shame about the foster brother sub-plot but there you go) and tie all the films together and rather than a 'did he or didn't he' death scene Blofeld was captured.
I think we'll see Blofeld back. Maybe Madeleine will have just quit Bond? But, studios being studios I wouldn't be too surprised if Bond25 is just called Spectre's Revenge.
This is my first post on this board. Flame away.
Allow me to be the first to welcome you to AJB007. You can introduce yourself on the off topic section in a thread named "Welcome/Comings and goings".
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First of all, welcome to the AJB and whether or not people agree or disagree with your comments, opinions, etc they are also very welcome.
With regards to whomever gets the distribution rights calling the shots on the script, I would highly doubt that would be a reality. Whomever gets the distribution rights is basically a third wheel and while they will get some input, it will be much less than you might think. EON still actually makes the Bond films; they cast them, hire the director, hire the writers, etc, etc.
I do agree with many of your points with regards to SPECTRE not being seen by EON as the disaster many here see it as...but you have to understand many here are looking at it more from an artistic perspective and with a very, very critical eye. That being said, the current generation at EON look at things a bit differently than Cubby and don't like to stand on their laurels and like to think that the Craig Bond films have risen higher in the eyes of film critics and they probably would like to get back to the critical and popular success of Skyfall especially since this will most likely be Craig's last go around as Bond.
you are absolutely right, the filmmakers (and their corporate masters) are going to make exactly the type of film they believe works in today' markets, and however much we might complain about SPECTRE or the earlier Craig films, they have been financially successful.
Much of what you read here is us indulging in what we would like to see. Them Brocolli kids aren't taking notes of what we want, and we're all realist/cynical enough to know that. yes but none of the four Craig films have been the familiar action adventure the average Bond audience wants. Even if the last two look a little more familiar, they both deviate wildly in their last acts.
And on the plus side, elements of Fleming's Casino Royale we always assumed were unfilmable (e.g. testicle torture and "the bitch is dead") did get directly adapted into the film. So there's some hope for us Flemingpurists.
you realise they only adapted the first part of the Goldmember plottwist?
just the first part where we learned Austin and Dr Evil are brothers
but what about the resolution of the saga where the two brothers team up and save the world from a greater enemy, then hug when its all over?
well obviously SPECTRE has lots of dangling plotthreads that set it up for a direct sequel
therefor, never mind all the You Only Live Twice stuff, because clearly is what is planned for Bond25 is CraigBond and WaltzBlofeld must team up to save the world
I wonder who their common greater enemy is going to be?
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Might get accused of ripping off Monty Python
I do agree that Bond 25 needs a new direction, one away from Blofeld and his personal agony.
Confirmation of another Spectre-based plot? Kill Madeleine in the PTS and then Bond uses Sciarra to track down Blofeld again?
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/
just when I get caught up with Nolan, the Villeneuve rumours start. now here's a third director named I have to get caught up on
these articles also keep claiming Craig is choosing the director and the costars. Did any of the previous Bond actors have this privilege?
EDIT: looks like I don't have much catching up to do. Wikipedia shows this Demange fellow has made precisely one film.
He is also making a non-Bond movie for EON.
Well, no. It says he's the front runner. Old rumor, not terribly confirmed.
Bond - The answer to Q
As James bond was waging his latest battle against the evils of the world Q was feeding his cat in his small London flat. As he leaves the flat he, unknowingly, is followed by a white van. As he walks towards his local tube station the van pulls up and he is bundled into the back where he is drugged.
Q's non arrival at work is reported to M how tasks Monneypenny, who has become one of Q's few friends, to check on him. Having come up blank with her usual methods to trace Q, Moneypenny becomes worried and due to her training senses that there is more to Q's disappearance than meets the eye and contacts Bond who is mid Atlantic returning home.
Meanwhile Q has been bundled out of the country and ends up in a cold tower block flat on the outskirts of Moscow where he is being held by a radical state sponsored group of cyber hackers. The group have been systematically taking down sites all over the west, from banks and utility suppliers to hospital systems.
Their main goal though is access the main UK/NATO defense systems rendering them useless and aiding a massive land grab from the Russian state and they see Q as the perfect person to help them in this. Q refuses and is tortured.
Meantime Bond has arrived back in London and goes straight to the office where Monneypenny and Tanner brief him. Using the last remnants of C surveillance system from Spectre they manage to piece together what happened to Q and the trio trance that he was taken to a small airfield several hundred miles from Moscow.
Bond quickly sets off for the airfield where he is met by 009
009 welcomes Bond and offers him a life, however his car is a wreck, 9 comments that he was due to receive a new Aston but that somebody took it from Q's workshop before he could pick it up “Really” replied Bond with a knowing smile as he slipped into the car.
The pair then make their wary to Moscow.
Later on Bond begins to suspect something is suspicious about 009, how did the Russians know so much about Q and his movements? etc and finally he is about to confront him when a gun barrel is forced against the back of Bond's head. “Is this still about the car!” her quips.
The pair then enter a titanic battle.
Bond finally wins out and he sets off to free Q
Bond finally manages to locate Q and take down the ring distorting their location. Q plants a cyber work into their system which not only disables their system, but can trace the locations of the sites they have hacked as well as those ISP's where they have had help.
There is then a massive chase to the boarder where Russian state troops and Police try to catch the pair.
Finally they reach safety.
Then, in a high security prison in the UK, a mobile phone rings and the familiar voice of Blofeld her heard. The caller tells Blofeld that the plan has not worked. Blofeld coldly replies “That's disappointing, I guess we have to start phase two then!
-Blofeld would escape from prison, and (most probably) align himself with Quantum, or a couple of Quantum agents (remember Dominic Greene was actually working for SPECTRE).
-We wouldn't see Madeleine again; maybe a brief mention that she's fine in a secluded location (We didn't hear from the other leading ladies after subsequent films, remember).
-We shouldn't see Judi Dench's M again. Also, I don't think Tanner should be required for the next film.
-I would love to see Bond visit countries which haven't been covered by the Bond films yet (Australia, New Zealand, Mongolia, Kenya for examples).
More ideas to follow.
In the Craig films, anyone with unfinished business returns. Why would Madeleine be different? What happened in the Bond films before Craig doesn't count for anything in Craig's universe.