What do people consider the greatest achievement for the SFX guys?
Maybe a gadget watch from TWINE? The volcano set from YOLT? The vulcan bomber set from TB?
Something of a trick question: While Stears, for example, was certainly involved in the DB5 and surely the volcano, I don't think of either as FX.
In terms of true FX, one of the genuine surprises on the TND DVD was the revelation of just now much CGI there is in that film which tells us it was both appropriate and subtle (unlike, say, the parasailing bit in DAD).
Possibly the earliest impressive FX is the destruction of No's mine; for a comparatively low budget film it's a relatively realistic shot.
The destruction of Kristatos' docks is by Derek Meddings is equally impressive; indeed, the story goes that Broccoli (?) asked how Glen got the shot since he understood they were denied permission to film any pyrotechnics on site.
FX has so progressed over the course of the franchise that I'm actually a bit disappointed that nearly the whole of SPECTRE is CG; in reading the recent Cinefex article nearly every paragraph ends with "so we ultimately just used the live action for reference and rebuilt the whole thing in the computer." Meh.
But I'm ultimately going in a direction probably different than you had in mind:
While some folks complain about tinkering with the rifle barrel opening, Kleinman's GE credits represent both a departure and breakthrough: For the first time the titles are a near seamless sequence that reimagines Binder's "spot the titty" as something integral to the plot, bridging the PCS with the rest via a living collage. Until CR (which I love but most seem to hate) his working devolved into something as cliche as Binder's: a parade of random naked women that didn't tell us anything.
Moonraker rocket launch sequences remain SO impressive as they were conjectural. Derek Meddings's work with miniatures and etc. is also highly impressive and saved money against CGI.
I have posted on another thread that I think the special effects on Moonraker have
aged far better than some of the effects used in contemporary films of that era. -{
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I have posted on another thread that I think the special effects on Moonraker have
aged far better than some of the effects used in contemporary films of that era. -{
Yes, and the effects look better than in many recent films as well. Moonraker's story may not be entirely realistic, but it sure looks realistic!
Moonraker's effects are, even compared to Star Wars of the time, probably the best space effects I have ever seen, it's realistic, but it has the charm that all parctaical effects have.
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I am biased of course, but the fact that so many of the ariel / space shots of Moonraker and classic Thunderbirds hold up today is in no doubt the attention to detail of Derek Meddings and the teams around him.
The trouble with CGI, is it can only fool people so far. No matter how well detailed a digital model is, if it flies / swims / collapses in a slightly unnatural way, the audience will pick up on it. With miniatures, the physicality of the models (especially when they blow up) helps to reinforce that reality. At least it does for me.
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This may be more an optical effect rather than special effect ? As with many subjects I'm no expert but ......
Watching TSWLM last night, there is one little shot that always blows me away, I think it's a stunning
bit of film making. When Stromberg first raises Atlantis, and the two scientists are leaving for their
Helicopter. There is an exterior shot, of the helicopter, camera rises up and across to the exterior of Stromberg's
Private quartets, and there in the window looking out is Stromberg, before turning and moving away.
There Is even some sunlight flaring in the lens as it moves upwards.
I just love that little shot. -{
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Great thread! Moonraker was the first Bond film I saw in the theater, and I was absolutely blown away. The wrist dart-gun was one of the coolest things I'd ever seen! I particularly liked Rogers' escape from the boat using the hang glider!!! -{ I also remember thinking that him killing the giant Python with the poison pen he stole from Lois Chiles was really cool! And his digital watch that concealed the explosives used to escape from the shuttle launch chamber! My 7 year-old self would NEVER be the same! )
I know this is more set dressing but ,I always loved the little details. Like how a long wall
Would be broken up with a high backed mackintosh style chair.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I know this is more set dressing but ,I always loved the little details. Like how a long wall
Would be broken up with a high backed mackintosh style chair.
While we're on the sets, I have a hankering again to recreate some of the models from the DAF Whyte giant corporate world model... anyone else tried this one already?
A couple of my favourites have got to be the multiple barrel roles of the DBS in Casino Royale and in the AMC Hornet in TMWTGG..
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But still my all time admiration goes out to the amazing gadgets that come up in the franchise and the ingenuity in getting them to do what they do. LOVE IT!!!
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FX has so progressed over the course of the franchise that I'm actually a bit disappointed that nearly the whole of SPECTRE is CG; in reading the recent Cinefex article nearly every paragraph ends with "so we ultimately just used the live action for reference and rebuilt the whole thing in the computer." Meh.
I totally ignored that issue of Cinefex in the book store when I saw it but got frustrated to learn from your post that SPECTRE was featured and it's no longer current, but today I discovered the Cinefex app and that issue only costs $5...now off to my office!
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Something of a trick question: While Stears, for example, was certainly involved in the DB5 and surely the volcano, I don't think of either as FX.
In terms of true FX, one of the genuine surprises on the TND DVD was the revelation of just now much CGI there is in that film which tells us it was both appropriate and subtle (unlike, say, the parasailing bit in DAD).
Possibly the earliest impressive FX is the destruction of No's mine; for a comparatively low budget film it's a relatively realistic shot.
The destruction of Kristatos' docks is by Derek Meddings is equally impressive; indeed, the story goes that Broccoli (?) asked how Glen got the shot since he understood they were denied permission to film any pyrotechnics on site.
FX has so progressed over the course of the franchise that I'm actually a bit disappointed that nearly the whole of SPECTRE is CG; in reading the recent Cinefex article nearly every paragraph ends with "so we ultimately just used the live action for reference and rebuilt the whole thing in the computer." Meh.
But I'm ultimately going in a direction probably different than you had in mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGPBFvDz_HM
While some folks complain about tinkering with the rifle barrel opening, Kleinman's GE credits represent both a departure and breakthrough: For the first time the titles are a near seamless sequence that reimagines Binder's "spot the titty" as something integral to the plot, bridging the PCS with the rest via a living collage. Until CR (which I love but most seem to hate) his working devolved into something as cliche as Binder's: a parade of random naked women that didn't tell us anything.
But that debut, that was an achievement.
aged far better than some of the effects used in contemporary films of that era. -{
Yes, and the effects look better than in many recent films as well. Moonraker's story may not be entirely realistic, but it sure looks realistic!
The trouble with CGI, is it can only fool people so far. No matter how well detailed a digital model is, if it flies / swims / collapses in a slightly unnatural way, the audience will pick up on it. With miniatures, the physicality of the models (especially when they blow up) helps to reinforce that reality. At least it does for me.
Watching TSWLM last night, there is one little shot that always blows me away, I think it's a stunning
bit of film making. When Stromberg first raises Atlantis, and the two scientists are leaving for their
Helicopter. There is an exterior shot, of the helicopter, camera rises up and across to the exterior of Stromberg's
Private quartets, and there in the window looking out is Stromberg, before turning and moving away.
There Is even some sunlight flaring in the lens as it moves upwards.
I just love that little shot. -{
Must say I particularly like the set where all the chairs fold away into the floor, very slick.
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Would be broken up with a high backed mackintosh style chair.
While we're on the sets, I have a hankering again to recreate some of the models from the DAF Whyte giant corporate world model... anyone else tried this one already?
I have always thought that the ceiling of that set looks a lot like a Tupperware cookie jar.
It even has a sub-miniature camera, wouldn't it be great if someone reproduced that someday ........... :v
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But still my all time admiration goes out to the amazing gadgets that come up in the franchise and the ingenuity in getting them to do what they do. LOVE IT!!!
I totally ignored that issue of Cinefex in the book store when I saw it but got frustrated to learn from your post that SPECTRE was featured and it's no longer current, but today I discovered the Cinefex app and that issue only costs $5...now off to my office!
I don't remember who suggested a silent "2001" style space battle, but it was a great idea. When I was a kid, though, in a huge theatre...