Yeah, when I think “classic Bond” I’m thinking about Connery. I couldn’t give a rat’s behind where the gun barrel is. Make a stylish, entertaining film with a Bondian score. Casino Royale was closer to “classic Bond” than Spectre if you look beyond the superficial elements. It’s now going on 12 years and it has aged remarkably well IMO.
I think "classic Bond" means different things to different people. I think Miles makes a great point about CR being closer to "classic Bond". QOS and SPECTRE were entertaining and had some great moments but IMO, CR and Skyfall were the complete package and stand with the best of the Bonds. I think that great auteur type directors like Mendes, who are big Bond fans have one great Bond film in them fueled by a combination of superior talent and inspiration make their own contribution to their boyhood hero. I think that may very well be the case with Danny Boyle. On the other hand, a good, journeyman director like Martin Campbell and some who preceded him who had a feel and understanding for Bond had the ability to direct multiple Bonds and maintain a level of quality.
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I think "classic Bond" means different things to different people. I think Miles makes a great point about CR being closer to "classic Bond". QOS and SPECTRE were entertaining and had some great moments but IMO, CR and Skyfall were the complete package and stand with the best of the Bonds. I think that great auteur type directors like Mendes, who are big Bond fans have one great Bond film in them fueled by a combination of superior talent and inspiration make their own contribution to their boyhood hero. I think that may very well be the case with Danny Boyle. On the other hand, a good, journeyman director like Martin Campbell and some who preceded him who had a feel and understanding for Bond had the ability to direct multiple Bonds and maintain a level of quality.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I'm really looking forward to his vision of Bond... I've enjoyed all of the films he has directed, although I can't bring myself to watch 127 Hours
He's certainly been an innovative director bringing interesting ideas and techniques to the table over the years, so I hope he is allowed to continue in the same vein, without too much interference from the studio.
I hope for some fantasy; something not mired in misery of the world as it is, which Bond has been good at avoiding so far... lets keep it that way
Two of the biggest questions surrounding the future of the Bond series have now been settled. EON has announced that Universal has scored the rights to distribute the 25th official entry in the series outside the US and, as part of the announcement, confirmed that Danny Boyle will call the shots, with Daniel Craig, who had already agreed to return, as 007.
Boyle, of course, had been the latest name suggested and in recent months had said that he had been developing a script with regular collaborator John Hodge. He'll still be working with Richard Curtis on a music-themed comedy that will film this summer, and will now also be kicking off shooting the still-untitled Bond movie from 3 December. His Bond is setfor a UK release of 25 October 2019, ahead of an 8 November date in the States.
"We are delighted to announce that the exceptionally talented Danny Boyle will be directing Daniel Craig in his fifth outing as James Bond in the 25th installment of the franchise," said EON Productions' Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli in a statement. "We will begin shooting Bond 25 at Pinewood Studios in December with our partners at MGM and are thrilled that Universal will be our international distributor." Danny Boyle's going to be a busy man...
Boyle can handle many genres, but he always delivers movies with energy and good use of music. Other than the stepbrother mess those were the main problems with SPECTRE.
I also believe the rejected Purvis/Wade script was OHMSS version 2 and the Boyle/Hodges script is something more original.
I'm really looking forward to this :007)
As far as I can see Boyle has no standard DoP, editor or composer. There are some he has used several times, though. I guess we should start looking at their IMDB entries to see if Bond25 pops up.
Anyone who wants to guess who will be among the key crew members and when their involvement will be made public?
I think David Arnold will return. And Jany Temime is probably close to a sure thing. Beyond that, not sure. I’d love to see Roger Deakins back as well, but that’s probably too much to ask.
He's a British Scorcese. Fast, flash, smart but can knock stuff out that is a bit flashy and shallow, with no real heart. Also, they often need a good pop soundtrack to go with it, which might pose a problem.
But the fact he is interested is a good sign. He wouldn't do it unless he felt he had something to offer.
... I've enjoyed all of the films he has directed, although I can't bring myself to watch 127 Hours
hey I gave up on that one too, fifteen minutes in, as soon as I realised exactly what true story was being adapted. Hopefully Bond will make it to the end of Bond25 with all four limbs still attached.
One useful thing from the 15 minutes I saw: I liked the way Boyle films cave scenes, he made the rockforms look beautiful and strange and got that claustrophobic you-are-there feel. Much better, than for example, the cave scenes in QoS.
... I've enjoyed all of the films he has directed, although I can't bring myself to watch 127 Hours
One useful thing from the 15 minutes I saw: I liked the way Boyle films cave scenes, he made the rockforms look beautiful and strange and got that claustrophobic you-are-there feel. Much better, than for example, the cave scenes in QoS.
Indeed... the DOP's for that were Dod Mantle and Enrique Chediak. The DOP's he works with always create a striking look, along with his vision for the look of the films he's done; I think he's quite hands-on in that respect.
Maybe I'll pluck up the courage to watch the whole of 127 Hours one day... although I must admit I can't stand Franco, so that's another reason not the watch
I don't think Boyle is going to "mess' with Bond. I think a lot of our projections tend to be based on Trainspotting which was highly stylized. We need to keep in mind that Trainspotting was based on a novel that was considered unfilmable and Boyle and Hodge came up with a very successful approach to adapt it for the screen. With Craig back, Boyle is dealing with an established take on Fleming's Bond. Although the current folks at EON are more willing to make changes and allow their directors and Bond actor (at least Craig) to have more of a say they are still very protective of their brand and legacy and if the Boyle/Hodge script was off the wall there is no way they would have went for it. Boyle is also a dyed in the wool born and raised Bond fan. The Olympics opening was probably about the most "classic" Bond we've had since CR. I doubt his vision is to tear down Bond but to create the best Bond film he can and hopefully play to the strengths of Craig's Bond.
Wonder why Hodges couldn't work in conjunction with Wade & Purvis on the script instead of Hodges himself.
Because Wade & Purvis' script was recycled rubbish and his was good? 8-) ) -{
Seriously, I would assume Hodge being the writer that Boyle has worked with on 5 films including two of his best might have something to do with it. It wouldn't be a stretch that Boyle believes that Hodge could best transform his vision/idea into an outstanding screenplay.
That might be so, but also because the scripts have very different plots.I suspect the Purvis/Wade script isa modern version of OHMSS and the Boyle/Hodges script isn't
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That might be so, but also because the scripts have very different plots.I suspect the Purvis/Wade script isa modern version of OHMSS and the Boyle/Hodges script isn't
Why would that stop Purvis & Wade working with Hodges though ?:)
Are you saying Purvis & Wade are incapable of working on another script with a different plot? Remember they are frequently brought in to revise/polish/cock-up Bond scripts...so I’m lost as to why you think they are incapable of working on this one... ?:)
Although I’d be happy if they stayed away from this one
The story was that the P&W script and the D&H script were developed in parallel, competition with each other. P&W might be bought in later to fix parts of Hodge's script, but I hope not.
I would like Bond25 to be the single vision of one writer and one (writing) director.
Purvis & Wade ... are frequently brought in to revise/polish/cock-up Bond scripts...so I’m lost as to why you think they are incapable of working on this one... ?:)
Although I’d be happy if they stayed away from this one
it'd be a good idea, in theory, to have someone with a job similar to Head Writer in a teevee series, to ensure a unified voice for all episodes no matter who writes the basic plot of this week's individual episode, and ensure no continuity or character errors.
Maybe Maibaum was doing this in the 1960s and 70s? I'm not sure of his precise role in the script process for each film. Or Wilson when he was more hands-on in the 80s? They did somehow have a consistent tone from film to film for 25 years. But whoever was responsible for the final drafts of the recent scripts I would say is neither catching errors nor maintaining a unified voice with what has gone before.
Doesn't really matter to me...as long as it all equals a good film. Sometimes too many cooks can spoil the brew. It is possible that another writer could be brought in to do a final "polish" or that Hodge's final draft is good as is.
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The story was that the P&W script and the D&H script were developed in parallel, competition with each other. P&W might be bought in later to fix parts of Hodge's script, but I hope not.
I would like Bond25 to be the single vision of one writer and one (writing) director.
The story first showed up in "Deadline" in February and has been discussing a lot in this fine forum?
Is this new to you?
It’s new that someone actually believed that both scripts were being written at the same time ) all information in the press said that the P&W script was written BEFORE Hodge’s attempt - wasn’t this even backed up by Boyle who said Eon would go with what P&W had done if they didn’t like his and Hodge’s effort...? Or have you not been reading this ‘fine forum’...? ?:)
I think the P&W script was turned in about March 2017. Boyle and Hodge were first mentioned about a year later. My guess is that when EON contacted P&W to re-write the Spectre script, they used their little bit of leverage to get a deal to write a script for Bond 25.
It's pretty obvious that EON, MGM, et preferred the Hodge script and of course that they would get Boyle with it. Hopefully their judgement is good. It doesn't mean that the P&W script was bad, just not as good in their judgement and they wouldn't get Boyle.
Pretty much a win / win for EON.
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Danny Boyle confirmed as director.
He's certainly been an innovative director bringing interesting ideas and techniques to the table over the years, so I hope he is allowed to continue in the same vein, without too much interference from the studio.
I hope for some fantasy; something not mired in misery of the world as it is, which Bond has been good at avoiding so far... lets keep it that way
Two of the biggest questions surrounding the future of the Bond series have now been settled. EON has announced that Universal has scored the rights to distribute the 25th official entry in the series outside the US and, as part of the announcement, confirmed that Danny Boyle will call the shots, with Daniel Craig, who had already agreed to return, as 007.
Boyle, of course, had been the latest name suggested and in recent months had said that he had been developing a script with regular collaborator John Hodge. He'll still be working with Richard Curtis on a music-themed comedy that will film this summer, and will now also be kicking off shooting the still-untitled Bond movie from 3 December. His Bond is setfor a UK release of 25 October 2019, ahead of an 8 November date in the States.
"We are delighted to announce that the exceptionally talented Danny Boyle will be directing Daniel Craig in his fifth outing as James Bond in the 25th installment of the franchise," said EON Productions' Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli in a statement. "We will begin shooting Bond 25 at Pinewood Studios in December with our partners at MGM and are thrilled that Universal will be our international distributor." Danny Boyle's going to be a busy man...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44250056
I also believe the rejected Purvis/Wade script was OHMSS version 2 and the Boyle/Hodges script is something more original.
I'm really looking forward to this :007)
Anyone who wants to guess who will be among the key crew members and when their involvement will be made public?
But the fact he is interested is a good sign. He wouldn't do it unless he felt he had something to offer.
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One useful thing from the 15 minutes I saw: I liked the way Boyle films cave scenes, he made the rockforms look beautiful and strange and got that claustrophobic you-are-there feel. Much better, than for example, the cave scenes in QoS.
Indeed... the DOP's for that were Dod Mantle and Enrique Chediak. The DOP's he works with always create a striking look, along with his vision for the look of the films he's done; I think he's quite hands-on in that respect.
Maybe I'll pluck up the courage to watch the whole of 127 Hours one day... although I must admit I can't stand Franco, so that's another reason not the watch
Is that not Bond?
I think you're using the word "Scorsese" wrong.
Because Wade & Purvis' script was recycled rubbish and his was good? 8-)
Seriously, I would assume Hodge being the writer that Boyle has worked with on 5 films including two of his best might have something to do with it. It wouldn't be a stretch that Boyle believes that Hodge could best transform his vision/idea into an outstanding screenplay.
Why would that stop Purvis & Wade working with Hodges though ?:)
Are you saying Purvis & Wade are incapable of working on another script with a different plot? Remember they are frequently brought in to revise/polish/cock-up Bond scripts...so I’m lost as to why you think they are incapable of working on this one... ?:)
Although I’d be happy if they stayed away from this one
I would like Bond25 to be the single vision of one writer and one (writing) director.
Maybe Maibaum was doing this in the 1960s and 70s? I'm not sure of his precise role in the script process for each film. Or Wilson when he was more hands-on in the 80s? They did somehow have a consistent tone from film to film for 25 years. But whoever was responsible for the final drafts of the recent scripts I would say is neither catching errors nor maintaining a unified voice with what has gone before.
Where did you hear that story?
It’s also complete bunkum -{
Is this new to you?
It’s new that someone actually believed that both scripts were being written at the same time
Pretty much a win / win for EON.
P&W were in talks to write the movie in March 2017, so they wouldn’t have even started it at that point...
http://variety.com/2017/film/global/james-bond-screenwriters-robert-wade-neil-purvis-007-1202005895/