When he stops being a first-rate action dirctor who's a lso a Bond fan? :v
But he's not a first rate action director, and Bond shouldn't be considered an 'action' series. Plus, his films are colourless, soulless and humourless, so we'd get an anaemic Bond film if he was to direct one.
You are of cource entitled to have your own opinion, just as the wast majority of the audience and chritics are alowed to keep having the other opinion
To be fair, Nolan doesn't do humor. I think this isn't really a loss for a movie or two.
I honestly can't see anything wrong with Nolan as a director -{ I absolutely loved his
Batman films, and can't understand it when I'm told HE can't do action. Everyone can
hold different views but, I rate Nolan, highly as a director. Although I think he's too big
a name for Bond. Instead of it being a Bond film, it would become "A Chris Nolan Film " .
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
The only reason I mentioned John Glen was because I feel some magic in Bond was gone after that Licence To Kill hiatus. Maybe my taste in movies hasn't matured over the years as the series has matured. I like Campbell and Mendes, but it's not the same.
My take on Glen is that he's a workmanlike director. Given the right boundries and assest he will make a good movie on time and on budget, but he'll never make a truely great movie. This is why I wish Ridly Scott made LTK.
I think the Glen Bonds succeded in as much as they did in spite ,of and not because of him. A journeyman at best in my view.
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When he stops being a first-rate action dirctor who's a lso a Bond fan? :v
But he's not a first rate action director, and Bond shouldn't be considered an 'action' series. Plus, his films are colourless, soulless and humourless, so we'd get an anaemic Bond film if he was to direct one.
You are of cource entitled to have your own opinion, just as the wast majority of the audience and chritics are alowed to keep having the other opinion
To be fair, Nolan doesn't do humor. I think this isn't really a loss for a movie or two.
I occupy a middle ground as far as Nolan is concerned,not pining for it, but feel he could do a good job if given the chance. There is a danger that he's too much of a fan boy to take a fresh look at Bond, but I could live with that. At least it wouldn't be Mendes slumming it
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
When he stops being a first-rate action dirctor who's a lso a Bond fan? :v
But he's not a first rate action director, and Bond shouldn't be considered an 'action' series. Plus, his films are colourless, soulless and humourless, so we'd get an anaemic Bond film if he was to direct one.
You are of cource entitled to have your own opinion, just as the wast majority of the audience and chritics are alowed to keep having the other opinion
To be fair, Nolan doesn't do humor. I think this isn't really a loss for a movie or two.
Vast majority of teenagers, perhaps.
And take humour out of Bond and you lose a crucial element of James Bond. But as you said, everyone is entitled to an opinion.
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Nolan on the other hand would probably be like "ok...Bond theme, check; pre-title sequence, check; gun barrel opening, check; cut it for a PG-13, check; now Barbara leave me alone and let me make my Bond film.
Sounds perfect - sign him up -{
When will this pining for Nolan stop?
When he's directed one !
Just because you don't like him that doesn't make him a bad director...yours is just one opinion in billions...
When he stops being a first-rate action dirctor who's a lso a Bond fan? :v
But he's not a first rate action director, and Bond shouldn't be considered an 'action' series. Plus, his films are colourless, soulless and humourless, so we'd get an anaemic Bond film if he was to direct one.
Don't forget sexless!
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But he's not a first rate action director, and Bond shouldn't be considered an 'action' series. Plus, his films are colourless, soulless and humourless, so we'd get an anaemic Bond film if he was to direct one.
You are of cource entitled to have your own opinion, just as the wast majority of the audience and chritics are alowed to keep having the other opinion
To be fair, Nolan doesn't do humor. I think this isn't really a loss for a movie or two.
Vast majority of teenagers, perhaps.
And take humour out of Bond and you lose a crucial element of James Bond. But as you said, everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Many critics like him too, it seems. Metacritic is a website that aggregates reviews of music albums, games, movies, TV shows, DVDs, and formerly, books. For each product, a numerical score from each review is obtained and the total is averaged from the most influncial critics - about 40 for movies. Batman Begins got a score of 70/100, TDK got 82/100, TDKR got 78/100, Inception 74/100, Interstellar 74/100. These are high scores for action movies. To compare CR and Skyfall got numbers in the low 80's, SPECTRE and QoS got 60 and 58. So Nolan is well liked by critics and I spent too much time finding these numbers ..... )
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...Understanding, of course, that opinions and mileage vary I understand he has his fans, but I'm not one. He was a carpenter, IMO, in a milieu that deserves a sculptor.
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Just because you don't like him that doesn't make him a bad director...yours is just one opinion in billions...
Who said I don't like him? I enjoyed Inception, TDK, The Prestige, Insomnia and Memento. But he's not right for Bond. Just as George Lucas or Paul Greengrass aren't right for Bond.
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When he stops being a first-rate action dirctor who's a lso a Bond fan? :v
But he's not a first rate action director, and Bond shouldn't be considered an 'action' series. Plus, his films are colourless, soulless and humourless, so we'd get an anaemic Bond film if he was to direct one.
Don't forget sexless!
Indeed.
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Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,924Chief of Staff
Just because you don't like him that doesn't make him a bad director...yours is just one opinion in billions...
Who said I don't like him? I enjoyed Inception, TDK, The Prestige, Insomnia and Memento. But he's not right for Bond. Just as George Lucas or Paul Greengrass aren't right for Bond.
That was the general tone of your posts about Nolan especially...
To meit's worse that Nolan's movies are sex less than the problem that they lack humour.
I saw the description (I think of Nolan ...) : He was a carpenter, IMO, in a milieu that deserves a sculptor.
to me that's the perfect descrition of John Glen
Just because you don't like him that doesn't make him a bad director...yours is just one opinion in billions...
Who said I don't like him? I enjoyed Inception, TDK, The Prestige, Insomnia and Memento. But he's not right for Bond. Just as George Lucas or Paul Greengrass aren't right for Bond.
That was the general tone of your posts about Nolan especially...
To meit's worse that Nolan's movies are sex less than the problem that they lack humour.
I saw the description (I think of Nolan ...) : He was a carpenter, IMO, in a milieu that deserves a sculptor.
to me that's the perfect descrition of John Glen
Well, one just needs to look at the pool side scenes in FYEO, OP and TLD to realise that Glen's films aren't sexless, not to mention having a Bond girl named Octopussy. Then you delve deeper (no pun intended) and see how Bond uses a woman's sex appeal to get out of a jam in TLD (Pushkin hotel room), the entire character of Lupe Lamora, seducing Magda, Lisl, and well May Day, Bond focusing on Pam as she undresses, a female Octopus cult, the camera pan over Stacey in AVTAK as she tries on the goon suit at the mine, etc. etc. The list is endless. John Glen's Bond films sexless? I don't think so.
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I don't think anyone said Glen's films were sexless - that was said of Nolan's. Glen's work isn't sexless at all; I just think he's a barely adequate director.
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I don't think anyone said Glen's films were sexless - that was said of Nolan's. Glen's work isn't sexless at all; I just think he's a barely adequate director.
No, someone said Nolan's films are sexless and I agree. Glen's are not sexless. You also said about Nolan that he is a carpenter when a sculptor is needed. I disagree, but I think it's a perfect description of John Glen.
I don't think anyone said Glen's films were sexless - that was said of Nolan's. Glen's work isn't sexless at all; I just think he's a barely adequate director.
No, someone said Nolan's films are sexless and I agree. Glen's are not sexless. You also said about Nolan that he is a carpenter when a sculptor is needed. I disagree, but I think it's a perfect description of John Glen.
Ah yes - I misread your comment. Carry on!
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I don't think anyone said Glen's films were sexless - that was said of Nolan's. Glen's work isn't sexless at all; I just think he's a barely adequate director.
No, someone said Nolan's films are sexless and I agree. Glen's are not sexless. You also said about Nolan that he is a carpenter when a sculptor is needed. I disagree, but I think it's a perfect description of John Glen.
I'm pretty sure the carpenter line was about Glen, not Nolan. I think Glen was a very skilled carpenter. A carpenter can build something useful and practical. A sculptor can make something beautiful, but it doesn't have the same usefulness as what the carpenter builds. I have much more use for a carpenter's work than a sculptor's.
I (partly) disagree. a Bond director must af cource be abel to run the huge operation that a Bond movie is.He must also be skilled craftsman. But look at Skyfall and the scenes in Macao and Hong Kong. That's artistic moviemaking and I doubt Glen would be able to make something like that. I think the Bond movies are better for it.
Just for balance I must mention that TLD and LTK are among my favourite Bond movies, so there is a lot to be said about Glen. :007)
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I don't think anyone said Glen's films were sexless - that was said of Nolan's. Glen's work isn't sexless at all; I just think he's a barely adequate director.
No, someone said Nolan's films are sexless and I agree. Glen's are not sexless. You also said about Nolan that he is a carpenter when a sculptor is needed. I disagree, but I think it's a perfect description of John Glen.
I actually said it about Glen!
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Glen directed the way he did and when he did because that's what EON deliberately wanted. Just by the fact that they wooed RM back way past his prime, time and again is proof that their primary interests were not creative in nature. If looking at the standard marketing model of business lifecycles, up to the time before and during Glen's tenure the series was the classic cash cow and there was no desire to make any radical changes to the formula, save little tweaks like MR vs. FYEO. The re-hiring of Guy Hamilton and Lewis Gilbert into the 70's is indication enough of the desire to reproduce the successes of the tent pole Bond productions and in John Glen, they found the perfect solution of a director who was familiar to the production and most importantly, one who they can "own" (an availability issue) and impress upon their core creative values.
If we observe, it was only after Cubby retired when EON again considered experimenting with new directors, the first ones who were never involved in the production (like Hunt and Glen who were home grown) since Lewis Gilbert was hired for YOLT, practically 30 years prior! Although the 4 "new" movies that became the Brosnan canon were cookie-cutter, best-of-Bond so to speak, showing the tendency of playing it safe, at least much risk was taken in hiring a string of new directors for each of those movies. Speaking of Peter Hunt, why wasn't he invited back to direct? IMO it was because he went "auteur" just a tad beyond the producers' comfort zone, a resistance that would soften a bit with the "new" EON team of Michael and Barbara, with Barbara being the unique factor.
In the end, I like the Mendes headline over at the MI6 site regarding speculations on the new Bond after DC, which also applies to the larger scheme of production, "it's not a democracy." So that Mendes himself, an "auteur" director in his own right, recognizes his own boundaries under the rule of EON and this is the criteria we can predict for the new director.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
I think beyond EON's willingness to be more flexible is the fact that many contemporary directors (Mendes for example) are Bond fans and grew up on Bond films and seeing Bond films were a big part of what planted the seeds of them wanting to become film makers in the first place. So for many of them, making a Bond film is something they have probably dreamed of. Subsequently they love, respect and understand the canon and the history and are more willing to work within those constraints. On the other hand, unlike Harry and Cubby, Barbara and Michael Wilson are more willing to allow a director they hold in high regard to have more collaborative input in the films.
I don't think anyone said Glen's films were sexless - that was said of Nolan's. Glen's work isn't sexless at all; I just think he's a barely adequate director.
No, someone said Nolan's films are sexless and I agree. Glen's are not sexless. You also said about Nolan that he is a carpenter when a sculptor is needed. I disagree, but I think it's a perfect description of John Glen.
I actually said it about Glen!
Oh ...... ;%
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I don't understand the comments about Glen being sexless. What's enough/not enough sex in a Bond movie? Or do you guys mean something else?
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I don't understand the comments about Glen being sexless. What's enough/not enough sex in a Bond movie? Or do you guys mean something else?
It was actually said by someone about Nolan, and misinterpreted. Whatever my issues with Glen, his films never lacked sex, LOL.
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superadoRegent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
I don't understand the comments about Glen being sexless. What's enough/not enough sex in a Bond movie? Or do you guys mean something else?
It was actually said by someone about Nolan, and misinterpreted. Whatever my issues with Glen, his films never lacked sex, LOL.
Ok, that makes sense. Does post-coitus count? There's that scene with Christian Bale and Marion Cotillard in a literal afterglow in front of a fireplace ) But I can understand the lack of sex, considering how Inception, a movie about dreams, didn't have any
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
My issue with Nolan is that his pictures tend to use characters to make a point rather than injecting them with warmth. Which is why his films can be described as sexless. His characters serve a purpose to the other arching story rather than the story be fed by the characters. My personal choice would be Matthew Vaughn but Kingsman may be a little close for comfort.
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You are of cource entitled to have your own opinion, just as the wast majority of the audience and chritics are alowed to keep having the other opinion
To be fair, Nolan doesn't do humor. I think this isn't really a loss for a movie or two.
Batman films, and can't understand it when I'm told HE can't do action. Everyone can
hold different views but, I rate Nolan, highly as a director. Although I think he's too big
a name for Bond. Instead of it being a Bond film, it would become "A Chris Nolan Film " .
I think the Glen Bonds succeded in as much as they did in spite ,of and not because of him. A journeyman at best in my view.
I occupy a middle ground as far as Nolan is concerned,not pining for it, but feel he could do a good job if given the chance. There is a danger that he's too much of a fan boy to take a fresh look at Bond, but I could live with that. At least it wouldn't be Mendes slumming it
Vast majority of teenagers, perhaps.
And take humour out of Bond and you lose a crucial element of James Bond. But as you said, everyone is entitled to an opinion.
When he's directed one !
Just because you don't like him that doesn't make him a bad director...yours is just one opinion in billions...
Don't forget sexless!
I think it's arguable whether he ever could
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Many critics like him too, it seems. Metacritic is a website that aggregates reviews of music albums, games, movies, TV shows, DVDs, and formerly, books. For each product, a numerical score from each review is obtained and the total is averaged from the most influncial critics - about 40 for movies. Batman Begins got a score of 70/100, TDK got 82/100, TDKR got 78/100, Inception 74/100, Interstellar 74/100. These are high scores for action movies. To compare CR and Skyfall got numbers in the low 80's, SPECTRE and QoS got 60 and 58. So Nolan is well liked by critics and I spent too much time finding these numbers .....
...Understanding, of course, that opinions and mileage vary
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Who said I don't like him? I enjoyed Inception, TDK, The Prestige, Insomnia and Memento. But he's not right for Bond. Just as George Lucas or Paul Greengrass aren't right for Bond.
Indeed.
That was the general tone of your posts about Nolan especially...
I thought that gave it away somewhat
I saw the description (I think of Nolan ...) : He was a carpenter, IMO, in a milieu that deserves a sculptor.
to me that's the perfect descrition of John Glen
Well, we know what they say about those who assume...
Well, one just needs to look at the pool side scenes in FYEO, OP and TLD to realise that Glen's films aren't sexless, not to mention having a Bond girl named Octopussy. Then you delve deeper (no pun intended) and see how Bond uses a woman's sex appeal to get out of a jam in TLD (Pushkin hotel room), the entire character of Lupe Lamora, seducing Magda, Lisl, and well May Day, Bond focusing on Pam as she undresses, a female Octopus cult, the camera pan over Stacey in AVTAK as she tries on the goon suit at the mine, etc. etc. The list is endless. John Glen's Bond films sexless? I don't think so.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
No, someone said Nolan's films are sexless and I agree. Glen's are not sexless. You also said about Nolan that he is a carpenter when a sculptor is needed. I disagree, but I think it's a perfect description of John Glen.
Ah yes - I misread your comment. Carry on!
I'm pretty sure the carpenter line was about Glen, not Nolan. I think Glen was a very skilled carpenter. A carpenter can build something useful and practical. A sculptor can make something beautiful, but it doesn't have the same usefulness as what the carpenter builds. I have much more use for a carpenter's work than a sculptor's.
Just for balance I must mention that TLD and LTK are among my favourite Bond movies, so there is a lot to be said about Glen. :007)
I actually said it about Glen!
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
If we observe, it was only after Cubby retired when EON again considered experimenting with new directors, the first ones who were never involved in the production (like Hunt and Glen who were home grown) since Lewis Gilbert was hired for YOLT, practically 30 years prior! Although the 4 "new" movies that became the Brosnan canon were cookie-cutter, best-of-Bond so to speak, showing the tendency of playing it safe, at least much risk was taken in hiring a string of new directors for each of those movies. Speaking of Peter Hunt, why wasn't he invited back to direct? IMO it was because he went "auteur" just a tad beyond the producers' comfort zone, a resistance that would soften a bit with the "new" EON team of Michael and Barbara, with Barbara being the unique factor.
In the end, I like the Mendes headline over at the MI6 site regarding speculations on the new Bond after DC, which also applies to the larger scheme of production, "it's not a democracy." So that Mendes himself, an "auteur" director in his own right, recognizes his own boundaries under the rule of EON and this is the criteria we can predict for the new director.
Oh ...... ;%
It was actually said by someone about Nolan, and misinterpreted. Whatever my issues with Glen, his films never lacked sex, LOL.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Ok, that makes sense. Does post-coitus count? There's that scene with Christian Bale and Marion Cotillard in a literal afterglow in front of a fireplace