I can fully understand the ideals being the EU, but feel it's basically a 60s solution to
2016 problems. It's very slow to change, if at all. Or rather the perception of it being
In able to change is very much evident..
I agree on the first part, but in a globalized world where all big marketplayers try to operate in even bigger unit, Isolationism would rather be a thing of the 05s*.
*The 1905s
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Now watch at your own risk, maybe Sir Miles has to delete it.
Anyhow, I'll try to explain it family friendly (being fully aware that a certain person will immediately demand a removal).
I've not known before but learnt that there is an online platform for "art" movies for adults.
Now if you go there - I have never done it! and don't recommend it - but let's say your mouse slips and you accidentially get to there and you search for "Dumb British Blonde >>censored>>s 15 million people at once, you can see this:
WRT the greek situation I think the following article sums it up perfectly - events there helping to set the stage for what transpired here last Thursday. I suggest that all contributors read it.
It will make for uncomfortable reading for some I'm sure but - before the cries that the newspaper is a platform for the hard right I would just like to point out the following; the paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion: a MORI poll taken between April and June 2000 showed that 80% of Guardian readers were Labour Party voters; according to another MORI poll taken in 2005, 48% of Guardian readers were Labour voters and 34% Liberal Democrat voters. So the Guardian is widely considered as the voice of the left.................
I've now read this link, its interesting reading and quite inflammatory in a sense, it's always amazed me how so called socialists show support for the EU when it's always clearly been a capitalist project, I've heard people claiming a vote to remain was a vote for the rights of the working man who the EU protects. Apart from Greek working men, or Spanish working men or it seems anyone outside the ruling elite! The whole Greek episode was a huge betrayal and con from the get go it seems.
And it's for the reasons set out in the article, that British politics is in the mire it's in at the moment. I feel that a lot of onlookers around the world assume that most Leave voters were from the right or centre right, but there's no division discernible you know: we're in a situation in the UK where both right and left are voting Leave, despite the leaders of the main right and left parties campaigning to remain!
As a member of the Labour party, I felt no compulsion whatsoever to vote remain however. It is very strange to be a socialist-leaning man who finds Boris Johnson attractive (not in that way!!).
I feel that a lot of onlookers around the world assume that most Leave voters were from the right or centre right, but there's no division discernible you know: we're in a situation in the UK where both right and left are voting Leave, despite the leaders of the main right and left parties campaigning to remain!
There has been a feeling expressed that the referendum vote was seen by many as a protest vote against the UK political establishment rather than against the EU as such.
Not sure about that, Barbel - though I'd love to agree.
We've had a Channel 4 Moderator yesterday on german TV and he said, that for 40 years, UK politicians slammed the EU for faults which happened in their own control. Most of the tabloids joined the choir (Murdoch anyone??)
Latest since the referendum you can see how easy it is to mobilize the masses of basically good people by adding the right dose of hate, fear and misinformation.
That leaves an impact in people's minds and so it's not surprising how much hate there is against the EU which is unparalleled in other EU countries.
Funny particularly because the UK where the ones with the most privileges and the least influence by the EU institutions.
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There has been a feeling expressed that the referendum vote was seen by many as a protest vote against the UK political establishment rather than against the EU as such.
But is your opinion shaped by your location, being in Scotland? I understand that there's a growing need for separation and independence in Scotland, but the first minister there must stop throwing her toys out of the pram and accept the fact that the referendum was a national one and that she can't say because her region voted remain, that entitles her to say they will remain choose what.
If it came to that, I'd like to have a vote for Yorkshire Independence please and once successful, the implementation of the Yorkshire passport, the adoption of 'Jerusalem' as the Yorkshire anthem and then for Sean Bean who would be made President of Yorkshire (or Brian Blessed, if he wasn't deemed too much of a southerner now) to tell the EU and Westminster to bugger off!!
The proper way to do it is for David Cameron to pull the trigger on Article 50, for the exit process to begin and then once the divorce of the UK from the EU is complete, Scotland can then hold another independence vote and if successful, Nicola Sturgeon can then start the application process afresh. As an intelligent lady, she seems quite ignorant of the fact that Scotland is not currently a member of the EU - only by association through the union with England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
I agree that Scotland is slightly bending the facts in order to remain in the EU if possible.
The Referendum for sure was not meant by voting regions which then can individually pick their choice.
However Scotland's claim, that the conditions for their 2014 independence Referendum were significantly different (UK = part of the EU) than they are now.
I also understand that they'd prefer to stay rather than leaving with the UK and re-entering later then as an individual country and that they try many things that the first will happen.
I'd welcome Scotland as an EU member - unless we are all obliged to wear skirts then
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The Prime Minister of Spain has ruled out negotiating with Scotland separately saying that the EU can only negotiate with the UK as the Member State itself. That would mean Scotland would have to gain independence from the rest of the UK in a (very unlikely) second independence referendum if it wanted to apply for EU membership and that would take at least two years.
Understandable statement from the spanish Prime Minister.
Wait a minute! Spain!?
Spain has a strong independence movement of their own (Basque country) and hardly will do anything to strengthen that movement by setting a successive example in Scotland.
So it is an opinion out of 28 EU members, what really happens later is something else
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Under EU law I happen to agree with the Prime Minister of Spain and surely his veto against the idea will have to be acknowledged.
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
I remember during the Scottish independence referendum, that the EU made it very clear.
That Scotland would have to reapply for membership, which would take years. This time
Scotland would also have to take the Euro.
Just watched the news and Boris, has pulled out of the leadership race.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
At first pulling his country out of the EU but then not willing to be consequently enough to execute for what he was fighting for and also carry the consequences.
If the Brexit vote was a finger to the EU and the current establishment, BoJo gave now the finger to the ones that voted for his campaign.
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Gove is obviously the best bet for a PM. The guy is obviously a cold, cunning
Devious Ba*tard, and would stab his own grandmother to get what he wants ! )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Gove is obviously the best bet for a PM. The guy is obviously a cold, cunning
Devious Ba*tard, and would stab his own grandmother to get what he wants ! )
Imo, it becomes more and more evidential, that all involved people are aware and knew already that pulling article 50 is pure poison and noone is willing to touch it and live with the consequences.
Now that this is clear, the question is how we can get rid of the Britain Rebate
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I thought Boris lost support because he seemed to go soft ( oh er, missus) on article 50.
So it's gone, and we have left, that's it...... Susan Boyle has sung !
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Don't think for one minute deals are not being done in the background, I can well see theresa may winning the leadership contest and Johnson being appointed the Brexit secretary, Putin has called for a new era of Soviet British relations, we have offers of trade deals from other countries piling up, calls are sounding ever louder for more EU referendums accross the continent, meanwhile Juncker is throwing the rule book away to punish the "British deserters" I feel a large dose of cutting off noses to spite faces. Again id ask if the EU has the mandate of the people why not have a referendum? And before the populist card gets played if a populist view becomes the most popular view then democracy is not being observed. For sure the next few years will certainly be interesting.
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What an utter moron!
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At last !!! Something we CAN agree on
He's a complete Cockwomble
I agree on the first part, but in a globalized world where all big marketplayers try to operate in even bigger unit, Isolationism would rather be a thing of the 05s*.
*The 1905s
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I thought that you where out? :v
Now please clean out the "Ask Higgins" thread
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I was - but I've put it back in now
Anyhow, I'll try to explain it family friendly (being fully aware that a certain person will immediately demand a removal).
I've not known before
Now if you go there - I have never done it! and don't recommend it - but let's say your mouse slips and you accidentially get to there and you search for "Dumb British Blonde >>censored>>s 15 million people at once, you can see this:
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/bildschirmfotog1azqflrso.png
http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/31824/1/boris-johnson-s-brexit-speech-has-turned-up-on-pornhub
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As a member of the Labour party, I felt no compulsion whatsoever to vote remain however. It is very strange to be a socialist-leaning man who finds Boris Johnson attractive (not in that way!!).
There has been a feeling expressed that the referendum vote was seen by many as a protest vote against the UK political establishment rather than against the EU as such.
We've had a Channel 4 Moderator yesterday on german TV and he said, that for 40 years, UK politicians slammed the EU for faults which happened in their own control. Most of the tabloids joined the choir (Murdoch anyone??)
Latest since the referendum you can see how easy it is to mobilize the masses of basically good people by adding the right dose of hate, fear and misinformation.
That leaves an impact in people's minds and so it's not surprising how much hate there is against the EU which is unparalleled in other EU countries.
Funny particularly because the UK where the ones with the most privileges and the least influence by the EU institutions.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
But is your opinion shaped by your location, being in Scotland? I understand that there's a growing need for separation and independence in Scotland, but the first minister there must stop throwing her toys out of the pram and accept the fact that the referendum was a national one and that she can't say because her region voted remain, that entitles her to say they will remain choose what.
If it came to that, I'd like to have a vote for Yorkshire Independence please and once successful, the implementation of the Yorkshire passport, the adoption of 'Jerusalem' as the Yorkshire anthem and then for Sean Bean who would be made President of Yorkshire (or Brian Blessed, if he wasn't deemed too much of a southerner now) to tell the EU and Westminster to bugger off!!
The proper way to do it is for David Cameron to pull the trigger on Article 50, for the exit process to begin and then once the divorce of the UK from the EU is complete, Scotland can then hold another independence vote and if successful, Nicola Sturgeon can then start the application process afresh. As an intelligent lady, she seems quite ignorant of the fact that Scotland is not currently a member of the EU - only by association through the union with England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
White Rose!!
The Referendum for sure was not meant by voting regions which then can individually pick their choice.
However Scotland's claim, that the conditions for their 2014 independence Referendum were significantly different (UK = part of the EU) than they are now.
I also understand that they'd prefer to stay rather than leaving with the UK and re-entering later then as an individual country and that they try many things that the first will happen.
I'd welcome Scotland as an EU member - unless we are all obliged to wear skirts then
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spanish-prime-minister-mariano-rajoy-opposes-eu-talks-with-scotland-a7109176.html
Wait a minute! Spain!?
Spain has a strong independence movement of their own (Basque country) and hardly will do anything to strengthen that movement by setting a successive example in Scotland.
So it is an opinion out of 28 EU members, what really happens later is something else
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
That Scotland would have to reapply for membership, which would take years. This time
Scotland would also have to take the Euro.
Just watched the news and Boris, has pulled out of the leadership race.
At first pulling his country out of the EU but then not willing to be consequently enough to execute for what he was fighting for and also carry the consequences.
If the Brexit vote was a finger to the EU and the current establishment, BoJo gave now the finger to the ones that voted for his campaign.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I have an image in my head of David Cameron and Boris Johnson sitting on a bench together wondering were it all went wrong.
A fine example of being too occupied with each other and not seeing what was going on around them.
All very Shakespearian. The Goves are proving to be marvellous Macbeths
Devious Ba*tard, and would stab his own grandmother to get what he wants !
As Boris would say ..
'Et tu, Brute?'
Now that this is clear, the question is how we can get rid of the Britain Rebate
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So it's gone, and we have left, that's it...... Susan Boyle has sung !
God, that's brilliant. You've even got Waiting for Godot in there. Or should that be Waiting for Govt?
Boris would be Falstaff. Corbyn is Malvoleo, persisting with the idea that someone out there wants him, oblivious to the mockery.
Tell me Osbourne isn't Richard III, waiting for everyone to fall before taking over.
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