Who will win the november election in the U.S.? Trump or Hillary?

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    A discussion about the issues, that would have byen nice. In Norway political debates arena nearly never about personalities, but about the issues or who did what when and what it led to. God night, I'm going to Bergen tomorrow to visit my sister. :)

    The first 20 minutes of the final debate has been all about the issues. Now Trump and Clinton are starting to attack each other. It was nice while it lasted.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Now the debate is all about character. What's sad is that it has to be about this.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    As I see it, the two main parties have moved further away from the centre, surely there is a need for a third party to operate from the now vacant centre?

    Are you saying that the Tea Party should run with an own candidate in 4 years? :D :))
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I've watched the debate last night and have 2 points:

    1. Trump is talking about the upcoming elections to be manipulated and rigged. Assuming that he's certain that he'll win (at least he said so), why does he harm his presidentship by condemning the vote in advance?

    2. "Such an evil woman". I was not fully focussed but as I recall, Clinton was talking about her tax reform prior to that "comment" and that people like herself and Trump will pay more taxes then.

    Not sure what qualifies to such a remark other than Trump was frustrated and could not hold back the impulse to vent this in such a way.
    Certainly not a credit to him and the perspective about him having power for the country.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    The election is rigged, ! When can an average white multimillionaire, get an even break in life ?
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,318MI6 Agent
    the whole process is so long - sick of the sight of both of them!
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    As I see it, the two main parties have moved further away from the centre, surely there is a need for a third party to operate from the now vacant centre?

    Are you saying that the Tea Party should run with an own candidate in 4 years? :D :))
    No, I'm saying hypothetically there is a need for a more central political power, I don't think that's the tea party, from the limited programmes and documentaries I've been watching it's a conclusion I've come to. Purely from what I've seen huge swathes of Americans feel disconnected from Washington and kind of abandoned by government and are left to choose between two candidates they aren't fully invested in. I've tried to keep a sensible eye on things over in the states as it is the most powerful nation in the world and is important they succeed. I'm not at all interested in the sniping and dumbed down salacious coverage that seems rampant these days.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I was just pulling your leg :D

    Like things are it seems that Trump stands even far right from so many ridiculous claims from the TeaParty which would then make them a central power :))

    I just had to think today how much large parts from the GOP must hate the Democrats or being in the opposition that they've allowed a nightmare like Trump to happen to them ;%
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Higgins wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    As I see it, the two main parties have moved further away from the centre, surely there is a need for a third party to operate from the now vacant centre?

    Are you saying that the Tea Party should run with an own candidate in 4 years? :D :))
    No, I'm saying hypothetically there is a need for a more central political power, I don't think that's the tea party, from the limited programmes and documentaries I've been watching it's a conclusion I've come to. Purely from what I've seen huge swathes of Americans feel disconnected from Washington and kind of abandoned by government and are left to choose between two candidates they aren't fully invested in. I've tried to keep a sensible eye on things over in the states as it is the most powerful nation in the world and is important they succeed. I'm not at all interested in the sniping and dumbed down salacious coverage that seems rampant these days.

    Clinton is a very centrist candidate. Bernie Sanders was able to more the Democratic party further to the left, but Clinton is still pretty much in the centre. It's the Republican party that has gone further right. Just a few presidential elections ago, the two parties were hardly different because they were both so centre. A lot of people seem to want candidates who are further left and further right. Bernie Sanders' relative success showed that there is a need for a party that is further left. The Green party is further left, but it's also a one-issue party with a presidential candidate who has no qualifications or brain to be president.
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  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,904Chief of Staff
    There's a meme making its way around social media, and it sums up how I feel about these candidates:

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :))
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Hardyboy wrote:
    There's a meme making its way around social media, and it sums up how I feel about these candidates:

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    Ah, yep.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,461MI6 Agent
    Watching snippets of the annual toast last night, the rival candidates' joshing came across as curiously mirthless. It was like Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas in The War of the Roses.

    Trump's wholly unamiable digs at his rival put me in mind of this scene:

    But I Say...
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Watching snippets of the annual toast last night, the rival candidates' joshing came across as curiously mirthless. It was like Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas in The War of the Roses.

    Trump's wholly unamiable digs at his rival put me in mind of this scene:

    But I Say...
    :))
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  • HarryTrumanHarryTruman Posts: 40MI6 Agent
    18 days to the election! :o
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    Harry, you were a far better leader that Hillary and Trump. :007)
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    The USA've had big government at least since FDR, som wanting to keeper it is pretty conservative.
  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,667MI6 Agent
    18 days to the election! :o


    Not for Donald ... he's voting on the 28th :))
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    edited October 2016
    I bet this thread must be depressing reading for many, especially Americans and particularely Republicans. So I suggest we also post about what we like and enjoy about the USA. :)

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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    I would hate to have the choice many Americans have to make, I'm sure the great nation will ride this storm.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Fingers crossed in four years, there might be a better selection.
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  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,667MI6 Agent
    Fingers crossed in four years, there might be a better selection.

    I think whoever wins will be a one term President .... at least give the main parties time to sort themselves out.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Here's hoping, let's just hope not to much chaos ensues in the meantime.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    Clinton is 68 and Trump 70. I doubt any of them would be president until they were 76 or 78, but Reagan did leave the presidency when he was 78.

    Another great part of American history:

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    A wastly improved version of the third debate by SNL :D

    https://youtu.be/H3Nca9vwTEs
  • cheldcheld Posts: 300MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    I would hate to have the choice many Americans have to make

    Why? Gary Johnson is a great choice.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    cheld wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    I would hate to have the choice many Americans have to make

    Why? Gary Johnson is a great choice.

    An inspired choice. Johnson believes a presidential candidate shouldn't know much about other countries, because "The fact that somebody can dot the i’s and cross the t’s on a foreign leader or a geographic location then allows them to put our military in harm’s way,"

    In that sense he is very well qualified. He doesn't know what or where Aleppo is. Lateer he had another "Aleppo moment" when he couldn't name a single foreign leader he respected or admired. Where do Americans find these candidates? :))


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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,461MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Clinton is 68 and Trump 70. I doubt any of them would be president until they were 76 or 78, but Reagan did leave the presidency when he was 78.

    Another great part of American history:

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  • cheldcheld Posts: 300MI6 Agent
    edited October 2016
    Number24 wrote:
    cheld wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    I would hate to have the choice many Americans have to make

    Why? Gary Johnson is a great choice.

    In that sense he is very well qualified. He doesn't know what or where Aleppo is. Lateer he had another "Aleppo moment" when he couldn't name a single foreign leader he respected or admired. Where do Americans find these candidates? :))

    Hillary Clinton doesn't know where Mosul is (she described it as being "on the Syrian border"; I will ask you to research the actual distance from Mosul to the Syrian border and post it here).

    Hillary Clinton said "we will not put American troops in Iraq or Syria to defeat ISIS". There are thousands already there.

    Why are you giving Clinton free passes for her gaffes? And for her vote in favor of the Iraq war? And her lead role in the Libya disaster? And? And? And?
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    cheld wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    cheld wrote:

    Why? Gary Johnson is a great choice.

    In that sense he is very well qualified. He doesn't know what or where Aleppo is. Lateer he had another "Aleppo moment" when he couldn't name a single foreign leader he respected or admired. Where do Americans find these candidates? :))

    Hillary Clinton doesn't know where Mosul is (she described it as being "on the Syrian border"; I will ask you to research the actual distance from Mosul to the Syrian border and post it here).

    Hillary Clinton said "we will not put American troops in Iraq or Syria to defeat ISIS". There are thousands already there.

    Why are you giving Clinton free passes for her gaffes? And for her vote in favor of the Iraq war? And her lead role in the Libya disaster? And? And? And?
    Off the top of my head Id say Mosul is about 60-70 miles from the border.
    A bit like saying Portland is on the coast
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