No matter if you like his decisions or not (and I disagree with him on many points) : Obama!
Check his vita, he could have had a brilliant career as a lawyer - instead of that he went into low-paid public service. The man went into politics because he wanted to do good for the people.
The office and the republicans certainly wore him off, but I can't see any case where he was unscrupulous or corrupt.
BTW, I have great respect for John Mc Cain and Romney - I see them in the same league - together with John Kerry and Al Gore.
In Germany we have a couple of them also and they are assuring us that though there are black sheep, the majority are still trying to do good with politics.
Lammert comes to mind, Bosbach and I'd also mention Joschka Fischer.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,927Chief of Staff
When he went into Public Service the odds for a black man becoming POTUS where very slim - so that was certainly not forseeable or planned with the millions
That hardly says something about his character - you just describe what retired presidents do.
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Silhouette ManThe last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,866MI6 Agent
Trump is a hugely unscrupulous business man, it's his nature, I'm not sure it's a quality a president should have.
All politician's are unscrupulous, CC
Oh I don't know, I honestly believe a lot a politicians are moral and fair, only thing is as always you can't please all the people all the time, without getting into an elitist or left, right debate I think Cameron was a decent bloke, I also think theresa may is. As stated also Obama, trump is just self serving and an egomaniac, Blair was just a megalomaniac and also unscrupulous. I know what you mean though, one of the uk's greatest leaders had the right idea when he went into parliament and decided he'd had enough of the "self serving fat drunkards" and disbanded the "brothel of corruption" he gave himself the majority vote by bringing in his soldiers.
That aside, everybody asks himself, if he's always been totally virtuous, honourable and trustworthy during his life -privately and professionally.
See how divided the political climates are - not only in the US. No matter what decision politicians are making - there are roughly 50% who disagree and load their amount of hate on them.
And then there is the Internet with the social media (btw I am not on facebook and for a reason).
Politicians are just like normal people, they do mistakes and make wrong decisions - just like everybody but me
And then there are the bad ones and Sir Miles 8-)
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
The fact that is often not realised is that any democratic government is responsive to its national situation. It's OK saying what you'd like to do but often in reality a lot of manifesto promises and pipe dreams are simply unattainable. Politicians are representative of the population. For every morally bankrupt, corrupt politician there are thousands like them in the populous.
Although like many, I regard all politicians as " snake oil salesmen " , they'll say
anything to get elected, then have their snouts in the trough sucking up as much
money/expenses as they can.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Although like many, I regard all politicians as " snake oil salesmen " , they'll say
anything to get elected, then have their snouts in the trough sucking up as much
money/expenses as they can.
It's the general consensus for sure, but there are decent politicians about, power and money do corrupt on all levels, these days the UK police force seems incredibly corrupt with abuse of office rife.
Politician's have to decide about death and taxes. They have to make political deals and compromises, because that's how democracy works. But politicians can strive to be clean. I think of Einar Gerhardsen. He grew up in and fought for the working class all his life. He was in the resistance in WW2 and was sent to consentration camp for it. After the war he became prime minister and led the reconstruction of the country. While he was PM he lived in a ordinary flat for the lower middle class. Some politicians can be idealists.
I was caught out lately, with Nick Clegg. I thought he really was going to make a difference,
Be a breath of fresh air etc........... Sadly he too took to telling lies, very quickly and naturally.
So Like many I felt betrayed, he clear!y ran on the promise of NO university fees ! .... First thing
They did in government was ...... Bring IN university fees ! ) You can't fight against honesty
Like that.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
It was odd, I hadn't been as enthusiast about a politician in my life before. Thought we had
A British " JFK" a guy who was going to change things. -{ boy was I ever wrong so after
That brief fling with " the joy of politics", I'm back to being a cynical old Bar steward. None of
Them stand for anything, with interchangeable policies.
On Sir David, ...... Didn't he want to shoot Donald J Trump.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
TP. I don't know what happens to Clegg, but are you sure he lied? Did he promise to become a dictator and push through his program or did he promise to fight for his issues in a democracy.?
He said No tuition Fees ( to get the student voters ) ...... Then brought in tuition fees
Putting up two fingers to the students ) ..... Typical Politician. X-(
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
It is complicated, but the LibDems didn't have to agree to it, they chose to
Agree with it. They chose to betray their student supporters. https://youtu.be/KUDjRZ30SNo
The comedians even made a song of his apology. )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
It's the general consensus for sure, but there are decent politicians about, power and money do corrupt on all levels, these days the UK police force seems incredibly corrupt with abuse of office rife.
I do think some people become MP's because they genuinely want to make a difference, same with policemen ... however the longer they're in the job or start going up the career ladder they forget why they joined in the first place and get caught up in some fake reality. I've seen it a lot with policemen who have become senior officers and when you talk to them they are so far detached from real issues it's scary. I think politicians are the same and positions of 'power' and a chance of more money will, in the majority, alter their course.
There's a great old film about a Welsh politician who began working to help the miners etc but
Over the years. He became part of the establishment, forgetting the people he had started out
To help. He used to rouse the crowds by pulling out a sword from its scabbard although at the
End of the film, trying to show he could still lead the people. He tried to pull out the sword.......
..... But it was rusted up, a visual clue to how he had long forgotten, those people.
Great o!d movie, I can't remember it's name ?
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
It is complicated, but the LibDems didn't have to agree to it, they chose to
Agree with it. They chose to betray their student supporters. https://youtu.be/KUDjRZ30SNo
The comedians even made a song of his apology. )
OK, I accept that. I had to ask since many belive not wining an issue in parliament and leing is synonomous.
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,927Chief of Staff
Politicians are just like normal people, they do mistakes and make wrong decisions - just like everybody but me
And then there are the bad ones and Sir Miles 8-)
But then I don't pretend to be something I'm not and get paid a fortune for it :v
White there are many things that worry me about Hillary, there are about ten times more for Trump.
One thing is topp of my list. I don't trust him on Russia, Nato loyalty and Putin. Since 1949 the US has garantert our safety. The job of the army I was a part of was to stop the Soviets for three-hour days util the Americans came. I respected and admired America for this. If Trump wins, this will be questionable.
No matter if you like his decisions or not (and I disagree with him on many points) : Obama!
Check his vita, he could have had a brilliant career as a lawyer - instead of that he went into low-paid public service. The man went into politics because he wanted to do good for the people.
The office and the republicans certainly wore him off, but I can't see any case where he was unscrupulous or corrupt.
BTW, I have great respect for John Mc Cain and Romney - I see them in the same league - together with John Kerry and Al Gore.
In Germany we have a couple of them also and they are assuring us that though there are black sheep, the majority are still trying to do good with politics.
Lammert comes to mind, Bosbach and I'd also mention Joschka Fischer.
A cursory glance of the internet brings up this: OBAMA - 1053 lies, lawbreaking and corruption. KERRY - 553 lies. McCAIN and ROMNEY - Lies about war service records etc etc. GORE: An Inconvenient Truth full of lies and only supported by those scientists who want grants to "further research".
All politicians lie and/or have skeletons in cupboards. They say they enter politics to make a difference. The only difference they make is to their own pockets. They have no interest in the general population, we are let down by all sides left, right or middle ground. The best you can hope for is for the lesser of two evils. I have said this before and say it again "If voting changed anything the politician's would ban it".
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Name some who are totally virtuous, honourable and trustworthy, please Higgins.
Check his vita, he could have had a brilliant career as a lawyer - instead of that he went into low-paid public service. The man went into politics because he wanted to do good for the people.
The office and the republicans certainly wore him off, but I can't see any case where he was unscrupulous or corrupt.
BTW, I have great respect for John Mc Cain and Romney - I see them in the same league - together with John Kerry and Al Gore.
In Germany we have a couple of them also and they are assuring us that though there are black sheep, the majority are still trying to do good with politics.
Lammert comes to mind, Bosbach and I'd also mention Joschka Fischer.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
And then make millions as soon as he leaves office -{
They all do it - how much has Tony Blair made so far ?
I actually like Obama -{
That hardly says something about his character - you just describe what retired presidents do.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yes, there was a definite game plan at work with Blair and others.
Oh I don't know, I honestly believe a lot a politicians are moral and fair, only thing is as always you can't please all the people all the time, without getting into an elitist or left, right debate I think Cameron was a decent bloke, I also think theresa may is. As stated also Obama, trump is just self serving and an egomaniac, Blair was just a megalomaniac and also unscrupulous. I know what you mean though, one of the uk's greatest leaders had the right idea when he went into parliament and decided he'd had enough of the "self serving fat drunkards" and disbanded the "brothel of corruption" he gave himself the majority vote by bringing in his soldiers.
See how divided the political climates are - not only in the US. No matter what decision politicians are making - there are roughly 50% who disagree and load their amount of hate on them.
And then there is the Internet with the social media (btw I am not on facebook and for a reason).
Politicians are just like normal people, they do mistakes and make wrong decisions - just like everybody but me
And then there are the bad ones and Sir Miles 8-)
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Name one human being who is totally virtuos, honorarer and trustworthy, please CoolHandBond.
Although like many, I regard all politicians as " snake oil salesmen " , they'll say
anything to get elected, then have their snouts in the trough sucking up as much
money/expenses as they can.
Be a breath of fresh air etc........... Sadly he too took to telling lies, very quickly and naturally.
So Like many I felt betrayed, he clear!y ran on the promise of NO university fees ! .... First thing
They did in government was ...... Bring IN university fees !
Like that.
Apologies for interrupting, but one man springs to mind....
A British " JFK" a guy who was going to change things. -{ boy was I ever wrong
That brief fling with " the joy of politics", I'm back to being a cynical old Bar steward. None of
Them stand for anything, with interchangeable policies.
On Sir David, ...... Didn't he want to shoot Donald J Trump.
Which he would do in a virtuous, honourable and trustworthy fashion, of course.
Putting up two fingers to the students
Agree with it. They chose to betray their student supporters.
https://youtu.be/KUDjRZ30SNo
The comedians even made a song of his apology.
I do think some people become MP's because they genuinely want to make a difference, same with policemen ... however the longer they're in the job or start going up the career ladder they forget why they joined in the first place and get caught up in some fake reality. I've seen it a lot with policemen who have become senior officers and when you talk to them they are so far detached from real issues it's scary. I think politicians are the same and positions of 'power' and a chance of more money will, in the majority, alter their course.
Over the years. He became part of the establishment, forgetting the people he had started out
To help. He used to rouse the crowds by pulling out a sword from its scabbard although at the
End of the film, trying to show he could still lead the people. He tried to pull out the sword.......
..... But it was rusted up, a visual clue to how he had long forgotten, those people.
Great o!d movie, I can't remember it's name ?
OK, I accept that. I had to ask since many belive not wining an issue in parliament and leing is synonomous.
But then I don't pretend to be something I'm not and get paid a fortune for it :v
One thing is topp of my list. I don't trust him on Russia, Nato loyalty and Putin. Since 1949 the US has garantert our safety. The job of the army I was a part of was to stop the Soviets for three-hour days util the Americans came. I respected and admired America for this. If Trump wins, this will be questionable.
A cursory glance of the internet brings up this: OBAMA - 1053 lies, lawbreaking and corruption. KERRY - 553 lies. McCAIN and ROMNEY - Lies about war service records etc etc. GORE: An Inconvenient Truth full of lies and only supported by those scientists who want grants to "further research".
All politicians lie and/or have skeletons in cupboards. They say they enter politics to make a difference. The only difference they make is to their own pockets. They have no interest in the general population, we are let down by all sides left, right or middle ground. The best you can hope for is for the lesser of two evils. I have said this before and say it again "If voting changed anything the politician's would ban it".