Although like many, I regard all politicians as " snake oil salesmen " , they'll say
anything to get elected, then have their snouts in the trough sucking up as much
money/expenses as they can.
At last! The voice of sanity {[]
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
A cursory glance of the internet brings up this: OBAMA - 1053 lies, lawbreaking and corruption. KERRY - 553 lies. McCAIN and ROMNEY - Lies about war service records etc etc.
Not sure where all these numbers come from - unfortunately the world and in particular the world of politics is not that easy and black and white. Just one example:
One could say, that Obama promised to pull all troops out of Iraq.
What happened was that ISIS happily filled the gap, with all consequences which you can see on their Youtube channels.
Now the decision had to be made - a) stand with the promise, let people get slaughtered by ISIS and let them grow a potential threat to the entire planet
or b) leave some troops there and fight back.
I am happy that Obama opted or b) though many of his critics may shout out "LIE!!!" and the count of his "lies" go up by one
I stand with it, all 4 mentioned politicians are honorable and do their best to do the right thing.
An Inconvenient Truth full of lies and only supported by those scientists who want grants to "further research".
Well, scientists from here at the other side of the pond (that are for sure not paid by Gore) support most of his claims.
Gore suffered from his image being "boring" and/or a "loser"
Maybe we all should ask ourselfs why we vote for the entertainers, the populists with the easy replies - the winner types with all their dominance and muscle-play.
Maybe it would be better for all of us to opt for the borers and losers who may do a better job in the end?
And not only after having read "Stupid White Men" I sincerely believe that our nation's faiths are generally better in hands of women *instead of all the Posers and Alpha-Males
Just see where the majority of hate comes from during the Trump Shows: Old white Males 8-) - And I am one of them
Just some thought
And I don't mean Sarah Palin X-(
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Exactly right . So why stick up for lying politician's?
Because the amateurs would do a much worse job.
Just look at what happened after Brexit and how quickly Johnson and Farage left the ship that they sunk
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
A cursory glance of the internet brings up this: OBAMA - 1053 lies, lawbreaking and corruption. KERRY - 553 lies. McCAIN and ROMNEY - Lies about war service records etc etc.
Not sure where all these numbers come from - unfortunately the world and in particular the world of politics is not that easy and black and white. Just one example:
One could say, that Obama promised to pull all troops out of Iraq.
What happened was that ISIS happily filled the gap, with all consequences which you can see on their Youtube channels.
Now the decision had to be made - a) stand with the promise, let people get slaughtered by ISIS and let them grow a potential threat to the entire planet
or b) leave some troops there and fight back.
I am happy that Obama opted or b) though many of his critics may shout out "LIE!!!" and the count of his "lies" go up by one
I stand with it, all 4 mentioned politicians are honorable and do their best to do the right thing.
An Inconvenient Truth full of lies and only supported by those scientists who want grants to "further research".
Well, scientists from here at the other side of the pond (that are for sure not paid by Gore) support most of his claims.
Gore suffered from his image being "boring" and/or a "loser"
Maybe we all should ask ourselfs why we vote for the entertainers, the populists with the easy replies - the winner types with all their dominance and muscle-play.
Maybe it would be better for all of us to opt for the borers and losers who may do a better job in the end?
And not only after having read "Stupid White Men" I sincerely believe that our nation's faiths are generally better in hands of women instead of all the Posers and Alpha-Males
Just see where the majority of hate comes during the Trump Shows: Old white Males 8-) - And I am one of them
Just some thought
I'with Higgins - what is your source?
And 98.5% of all climate researchers agree with Gore. Daniels have no credibility and more.
Higgins, I cannot compete with your political knowledge, I don't have enough interest in it. But the majority of people become politicians because they can't hold down a proper job . (IMHO)
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
no need to feel bad and I don't claim having great political knowledge for myself.
As for your links:
The Internet is full of weird people and everybody can post there everything.
The second link is from Global Warming deniers which really does not hold water.
The polar caps and glaciers melt - you can see this basically every day and it's because we burn too much oil and emit too much methane. Of course the oil guys don't like this (remember the guys denying that smoke causes cancer??) and are doing everything to shut this down.
But denying Global warming is like Sir Miles opened a webpage saying that the earth is a disc.
Your first source. When you are checking the neutrality and competence of sources, just check headlines.
When I am reading "Corruption, Cronyism, Tyranny" as bullet points and "Corruption, Cronyism Hypocricy, Waste etc. " as the headlines, I can't take this source seriously.
It's just a biased personal thing with a mission and the mission is not to inform people by neutral journalistic standards but to agitate.
Every serious journalist learns in the first lesson:
Report the story and don't become a part of it.
Check facts - check and mention the other side of the story.
Don't take sides, let your readers decide.
I admit that many journalists forget these good standards over the years though.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Sod the Presidential election, I've just heard Toblerone is changing shape!!! Bigger gaps between the peaks! It really is the limit!!! Is nothing sacred?
Sod the Presidential election, I've just heard Toblerone is changing shape!!! Bigger gaps between the peaks! It really is the limit!!! Is nothing sacred?
I've liked that comment
"I told you that leaving the EU would have serious consequences. Now I' m really upset."
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Higgins, I cannot compete with your political knowledge, I don't have enough interest in it. But the majority of people become politicians because they can't hold down a proper job . (IMHO)
What is the backgrund, education and profession of the person running www.globalwarminglies.com?
Is he one of the 1.5% climate researchers who don't belive the changes are mostly human made?
Sod the Presidential election, I've just heard Toblerone is changing shape!!! Bigger gaps between the peaks! It really is the limit!!! Is nothing sacred?
I've liked that comment
"I told you that leaving the EU would have serious consequences. Now I' m really upset."
I don't know if bigger gaps means we are losing an alp or not!
Higgins, I cannot compete with your political knowledge, I don't have enough interest in it. But the majority of people become politicians because they can't hold down a proper job . (IMHO)
What is the backgrund, education and profession of the person running www.globalwarminglies.com?
Is he one of the 1.5% climate researchers who don't belive the changes are mostly human made?
Being honest my belief is that human activity is speeding up a natural event, the polar ice caps are areas of the earth still in the ice age, and have been receding from the equator for millenia. The earth has the capability to destroy itself without human activity, the frozen bogs in siberia which contain huge amounts of methane, if they thaw the methane released would be equivalent to 200 years of human pollution. Scary stuff. Needless to say we do not take care of our planet and more has to be done.
I also looked briefly at freedomoutpost.com. I noticed these (quotes in italics):
1) Carried out military interventionism in Libya without Congressional approval
In June 2011, U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) said that Obama had violated the Constitution when he launched military operations in Libya without Congressional approval.
In April 2014, Ralph Nader said that Obama should be impeached for his actions in Libya.
Quoting two other politicians as "proof". I'm no expert, but I belive the US president has a lot of freedom when it comes to limited military actions like that.
5) Broke his promise to close Guantanamo Bay
Obama broke his promise to close Guantanamo Bay.
Guantanamo Bay is still open, but Obama really tried hard to close it. The US system has checks and balances. Not closing Guantanamo isn't not a lie, it's a political goal not reached.
I would probalbly find many such questionable claims in that list, but I won't take the time today. Still I think I have demonstrated that the list is faulty.
Higgins, I cannot compete with your political knowledge, I don't have enough interest in it. But the majority of people become politicians because they can't hold down a proper job . (IMHO)
What is the backgrund, education and profession of the person running www.globalwarminglies.com?
Is he one of the 1.5% climate researchers who don't belive the changes are mostly human made?
Where do you get 98.5% from. One of the websites that agree with your opinion? there are hundreds of websites offering different opinions. It doesn't make the one you read any more correct than another saying the opposite.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Higgins - I understand you don't take the source seriously because it doesn't fit your agenda. The facts are that without pressure groups things will always stay the same - take Hillsborough for example if it wasn't for the ceaseless campaigning then the relatives of the 96 would never have had justice.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Well, I've tried to make clear, that I only take sources credible which are seriously and balanced written.
No matter of my personal opinion.
But to me, Global Warming ( or however you call it) exists burning oil etc is bad for the environment and the meltung of the poles and glaciers happen because of that/us. But what we experience may be even more complex than how we describe 'Global Warming' but that does not make it wrong.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Higgins, I cannot compete with your political knowledge, I don't have enough interest in it. But the majority of people become politicians because they can't hold down a proper job . (IMHO)
What is the backgrund, education and profession of the person running www.globalwarminglies.com?
Is he one of the 1.5% climate researchers who don't belive the changes are mostly human made?
Where do you get 98.5% from. One of the websites that agree with your opinion? there are hundreds of websites offering different opinions. It doesn't make the one you read any more correct than another saying the opposite.
If you wonder if there is a very near consesus among scientists about climate change, look at the UN climate panel and their reports (yes, one mistake was found in the fourth report. Big whoop)
I see now that most internet sites operate with a 97% support rate among climate scientists. The point is that the jury not still out on this issue. They came back and they delivered their verdict.
Higgins and Number24 thank you both for a reasoned and respectful debate. I have nothing to add apart from we must agree to disagree. I look forward to conversing on other threads.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
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Exactly right
There is no one N24 which is why it's absurd to trust any politician.
At last! The voice of sanity {[]
Not sure where all these numbers come from - unfortunately the world and in particular the world of politics is not that easy and black and white. Just one example:
One could say, that Obama promised to pull all troops out of Iraq.
What happened was that ISIS happily filled the gap, with all consequences which you can see on their Youtube channels.
Now the decision had to be made - a) stand with the promise, let people get slaughtered by ISIS and let them grow a potential threat to the entire planet
or b) leave some troops there and fight back.
I am happy that Obama opted or b) though many of his critics may shout out "LIE!!!" and the count of his "lies" go up by one
I stand with it, all 4 mentioned politicians are honorable and do their best to do the right thing.
Well, scientists from here at the other side of the pond (that are for sure not paid by Gore) support most of his claims.
Gore suffered from his image being "boring" and/or a "loser"
Maybe we all should ask ourselfs why we vote for the entertainers, the populists with the easy replies - the winner types with all their dominance and muscle-play.
Maybe it would be better for all of us to opt for the borers and losers who may do a better job in the end?
And not only after having read "Stupid White Men" I sincerely believe that our nation's faiths are generally better in hands of women *instead of all the Posers and Alpha-Males
Just see where the majority of hate comes from during the Trump Shows: Old white Males 8-) - And I am one of them
Just some thought
And I don't mean Sarah Palin X-(
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Because the amateurs would do a much worse job.
Just look at what happened after Brexit and how quickly Johnson and Farage left the ship that they sunk
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I'with Higgins - what is your source?
And 98.5% of all climate researchers agree with Gore. Daniels have no credibility and more.
http://www.globalwarminglies.com/
2 links from many.
Higgins, I cannot compete with your political knowledge, I don't have enough interest in it. But the majority of people become politicians because they can't hold down a proper job
no need to feel bad and I don't claim having great political knowledge for myself.
As for your links:
The Internet is full of weird people and everybody can post there everything.
The second link is from Global Warming deniers which really does not hold water.
The polar caps and glaciers melt - you can see this basically every day and it's because we burn too much oil and emit too much methane. Of course the oil guys don't like this (remember the guys denying that smoke causes cancer??) and are doing everything to shut this down.
But denying Global warming is like Sir Miles opened a webpage saying that the earth is a disc.
Your first source. When you are checking the neutrality and competence of sources, just check headlines.
When I am reading "Corruption, Cronyism, Tyranny" as bullet points and "Corruption, Cronyism Hypocricy, Waste etc. " as the headlines, I can't take this source seriously.
It's just a biased personal thing with a mission and the mission is not to inform people by neutral journalistic standards but to agitate.
Every serious journalist learns in the first lesson:
Report the story and don't become a part of it.
Check facts - check and mention the other side of the story.
Don't take sides, let your readers decide.
I admit that many journalists forget these good standards over the years though.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I've liked that comment
"I told you that leaving the EU would have serious consequences. Now I' m really upset."
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
What is the backgrund, education and profession of the person running www.globalwarminglies.com?
Is he one of the 1.5% climate researchers who don't belive the changes are mostly human made?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Being honest my belief is that human activity is speeding up a natural event, the polar ice caps are areas of the earth still in the ice age, and have been receding from the equator for millenia. The earth has the capability to destroy itself without human activity, the frozen bogs in siberia which contain huge amounts of methane, if they thaw the methane released would be equivalent to 200 years of human pollution. Scary stuff. Needless to say we do not take care of our planet and more has to be done.
More brexit mischief. Isn't Toblerone owned by kraft? that famous European company :v
But to be honest, Mondelez (Kraft Food sold Toblerone to them) is a US company with the european HQ in Switzerland
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Made using cocoa grown in south America.
1) Carried out military interventionism in Libya without Congressional approval
In June 2011, U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) said that Obama had violated the Constitution when he launched military operations in Libya without Congressional approval.
In April 2014, Ralph Nader said that Obama should be impeached for his actions in Libya.
Quoting two other politicians as "proof". I'm no expert, but I belive the US president has a lot of freedom when it comes to limited military actions like that.
5) Broke his promise to close Guantanamo Bay
Obama broke his promise to close Guantanamo Bay.
Guantanamo Bay is still open, but Obama really tried hard to close it. The US system has checks and balances. Not closing Guantanamo isn't not a lie, it's a political goal not reached.
I would probalbly find many such questionable claims in that list, but I won't take the time today. Still I think I have demonstrated that the list is faulty.
Where do you get 98.5% from. One of the websites that agree with your opinion? there are hundreds of websites offering different opinions. It doesn't make the one you read any more correct than another saying the opposite.
No matter of my personal opinion.
But to me, Global Warming ( or however you call it) exists burning oil etc is bad for the environment and the meltung of the poles and glaciers happen because of that/us. But what we experience may be even more complex than how we describe 'Global Warming' but that does not make it wrong.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
If you wonder if there is a very near consesus among scientists about climate change, look at the UN climate panel and their reports (yes, one mistake was found in the fourth report. Big whoop)
I see now that most internet sites operate with a 97% support rate among climate scientists. The point is that the jury not still out on this issue. They came back and they delivered their verdict.
Yes, what's happened to this thread ?:) ?:) ?:)