Who will win the november election in the U.S.? Trump or Hillary?

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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    The Trump racist effect is kicking in...

    I keep hearing on the news how the Poles can't be trusted.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,430MI6 Agent
    :)) I agree that election results must be respected and are symptoms of real problems. I believe two of the problems are a very uneven distribusion of wealth and lack of social mobility. Here are some numbers:

    Percentage of income in society earned by the wealthiest 1%.

    The Netherlands:
    1980: 5.9%
    2015: 6.3%


    UK:
    1980: 9.8%
    2015: 12.7%



    USA:
    1980: 8.2%
    2015: 18.4%
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    Either way, the complaints wouldn’t be valid. As I said just above, why complain only when there’s a paradox and not when “there wasn’t an issue”?

    For those who think the EC is an antiquated, 200+ year old system like what many are whining about lately, do some research first why it was put in place and why it’s still in place. Just looking at the layout of the red and blue map by counties should give a little hint.

    When the Electoral College votes the same way as the people, it goes unnoticed. For that reason, I think it should also be eliminated. I understand why the Electoral College was originally created and why some people still believe in it. I just don't agree with any of the reasons why it should exist today.
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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,866MI6 Agent
    The Trump racist effect is kicking in...

    I keep hearing on the news how the Poles can't be trusted.

    Never heard that one before...
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Number24 wrote:
    I think it's clear that Hillary Clinton will never again run for president. But what will she do?
    Will she continued serving as senator, run the Clinton Found action, do expensive lectures?
    All of the above or something else?

    She should hope that the Senate doesn't pursue perjury charges against her. I won't be surprised if Obama issues her a pardon on the way out. And if the GOP is smart, they'll let it lie - they have bigger fish to fry. The Clintons are finished politically - that's the important thing...and it warms me like a fire on an autumn afternoon :)
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,430MI6 Agent
    edited November 2016
    Perhaps even more important, what will Obama do? Obviously he will write his memoirs and build his library, but what more?
    Teach law at Harvard, run a NBA team, run for senate again, give speaches for a living, be a community organizer again (on a larger scale) or something completely different?
    After all he's just 55.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited November 2016
    What a waste.

    Instead of what used to be brilliance, wit and intelligence - there is only hate and malice left :(
    I feel sorry
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    superado wrote:
    Either way, the complaints wouldn’t be valid. As I said just above, why complain only when there’s a paradox and not when “there wasn’t an issue”?

    For those who think the EC is an antiquated, 200+ year old system like what many are whining about lately, do some research first why it was put in place and why it’s still in place. Just looking at the layout of the red and blue map by counties should give a little hint.

    When the Electoral College votes the same way as the people, it goes unnoticed. For that reason, I think it should also be eliminated. I understand why the Electoral College was originally created and why some people still believe in it. I just don't agree with any of the reasons why it should exist today.

    Without it, the urban centers will have total dominance over elections and legislation at the state and federal levels, removing any input from the larger rural areas.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I think it's clear that Hillary Clinton will never again run for president. But what will she do?
    Will she continued serving as senator, run the Clinton Found action, do expensive lectures?
    All of the above or something else?

    She should hope that the Senate doesn't pursue perjury charges against her. I won't be surprised if Obama issues her a pardon on the way out. And if the GOP is smart, they'll let it lie - they have bigger fish to fry. The Clintons are finished politically - that's the important thing...and it warms me like a fire on an autumn afternoon :)

    When Obama won his two terms, I sucked it up and lived with it, because in the end I am an American and he was/is my president. If there were any other worthy candidate from the Dems and he/she won over Trump, I could live with that including a Bernie Sanders presidency (which for me would be a decision between socialism vs. corruption). But what Clinton followers refuse to do is acknowledge even the possibility of how grave her acts were, not to count what she and her husband have committed; I just could not stomach her winning, which would totally absolve the shenanigans that the Clintons continue to do to this day.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    superado wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    I think it's clear that Hillary Clinton will never again run for president. But what will she do?
    Will she continued serving as senator, run the Clinton Found action, do expensive lectures?
    All of the above or something else?

    She should hope that the Senate doesn't pursue perjury charges against her. I won't be surprised if Obama issues her a pardon on the way out. And if the GOP is smart, they'll let it lie - they have bigger fish to fry. The Clintons are finished politically - that's the important thing...and it warms me like a fire on an autumn afternoon :)

    When Obama won his two terms, I sucked it up and lived with it, because in the end I am an American and he was/is my president. If there were any other worthy candidate from the Dems and he/she won over Trump, I could live with that including a Bernie Sanders presidency (which for me would be a decision between socialism vs. corruption). But what Clinton followers refuse to do is acknowledge even the possibility of how grave her acts were, not to count what she and her husband have committed; I just could not stomach her winning, which would totally absolve the shenanigans that the Clintons continue to do to this day.

    +1
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited November 2016
    I seriously wonder, if there is anything that the Clinton have done (and Bill was not the candidate this time) that has not been committed by Trump :o
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Has trump lied under oath? Or committed perjury? I genuinely don't know.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    edited November 2016
    Higgins wrote:
    I seriously wonder, if there is anything that the Clinton have done (and Bill was not the candidate this time) that has not been committed by Trump :o

    In legal terms, Trump has a myriad of lawsuits lodged against him in connection to his businesses, which would be commonplace with large business organizations and the applicable laws should provide remedy for any injured parties, should there be sufficient evidence in their favor.

    A grey area are his personal income taxes; the paradox therein is that in the midst of calls for him to release his tax returns, the government was already in possession of this information and it has always been its prerogative to legally act on them if there were any basis.

    At the personal level, there are those women who have come out in the last weeks of the campaign with accusations of sexual assault and again, they have the law as their recourse if there is material evidence that will help their cause; it is just remarkable that the concentration of these allegations came out when they did and I wonder if the Clinton campaign had anything to do with it.

    In regard to sexual impropriety, which was Hilary's rallying call throughout her campaign, it was hypocritical for her to do so considering how she shamed and denounced her husband's accusers.

    Within the scope of the election, thanks to WikiLeaks, there is documentation of how her campaign met with the major news networks in the country (Cecilia Vega, David Muir, Diane Sawyer, George Stephanopoulos and Norah O’Donnell to name a few) before she launched her campaign. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairwoman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, lost her job for her role in rigging Hilary's contest against Bernie Sanders, just as DNC staffer Donna Brazile was fired by CNN for providing Hilary's camp debate questions in advance of the CNN hosted debate between the two candidates. Still in regard of emails, there are two emails (one to her daughter, Chelsea and the other to the Egyptian Prime Minister) with Hilary stating how the Benghazi attacks were planned and executed by terrorists, BEFORE she, the State Department and the Oval Office announced that it was a mob attack in response to an inflaming YouTube video.

    Regarding the FBI investigation of her private emails, which she refused to call an investigation, her office deliberately disposed of 30,000 plus emails AFTER the US Congress served them a subpoena to provide those emails. The sworn statements she provided Congress conflicted with the FBI's findings, though the FBI did not find grounds for recommending indictment because they did not include her statements to Congress to check against their own findings. The cherry on top is the 39 minute private meeting between Bill Clinton and Attorney General Loretta Lynch, the boss of FBI Chief James Comey, on board a private plane with no other witnesses present in allegedly innocent updates about grandchildren, 3 weeks before she was due to give her recommendation for or against prosecution in regard to his wife's email investigation. As we look forward to Trump's inauguration, we should also not forget that the FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation regarding the possible connection between high value donations and political favor, is still going on. With so much vested interest in her victory, Hilary had more lives than a cat's proverbial 9.

    I would say that Trump's alleged miss-dealings are not in the same league as the Clintons and miniscule in comparison and not quite in the same realms of felony and treason.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Has trump lied under oath? Or committed perjury? I genuinely don't know.

    Well, I am sure that he did with all the lawsuits that where going on.
    He blackmailed, threatened and bribed for getting permissions and tax benefits as far as I am reading - you know the usual stuff when you are a estate tycoon - and that includes "bending the truth" when you are at court.

    If you rightly object that Trump (as far as I remember) has never been found guilty for lying under oath or for prejury - same applies to Clinton - while we all know that this is on very thin ice for both parties.

    Just to put things into perspective: The Bill Clinton affair was because of a consensual sexual relationship that he tried to hide from the public, which hardly had anything to do with his performance as president.

    This kind of affair seems pretty common (with former presidents - no matter of democratic or republican) in Washington DC (and just watch what your Kings and Queens/to be did over the decades) and the Republicans blew that affair affair into something to get rid of Clinton.

    Many parts in Europe still laugh about the relevance and the morale hypocracy that is involved in that entire "case"
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    Higgins wrote:
    I seriously wonder, if there is anything that the Clinton have done (and Bill was not the candidate this time) that has not been committed by Trump :o

    In legal terms, Trump has a myriad of lawsuits lodged against him in connection to his businesses, which would be commonplace with large business organizations and the applicable laws should provide remedy for any injured parties, should there be sufficient evidence in their favor.

    A grey area are his personal income taxes; the paradox therein is that in the midst of calls for him to release his tax returns, the government was already in possession of this information and it has always been its prerogative to legally act on them if there were any basis.

    At the personal level, there are those women who have come out in the last weeks of the campaign with accusations of sexual assault and again, they have the law as their recourse if there is material evidence that will help their cause; it is just remarkable that the concentration of these allegations came out when they did and I wonder if the Clinton campaign had anything to do with it.

    In regard to sexual impropriety, which was Hilary's rallying call throughout her campaign, it was hypocritical for her to do so considering how she shamed and denounced her husband's accusers.

    Within the scope of the election, thanks to WikiLeaks, there is documentation of how her campaign met with the major news networks in the country (Cecilia Vega, David Muir, Diane Sawyer, George Stephanopoulos and Norah O’Donnell to name a few) before she launched her campaign. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairwoman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, lost her job for her role in rigging Hilary's contest against Bernie Sanders, just as DNC staffer Donna Brazile was fired by CNN for providing Hilary's camp debate questions in advance of the CNN hosted debate between the two candidates. Still in regard of emails, there are two emails (one to her daughter, Chelsea and the other to the Egyptian Prime Minister) with Hilary stating how the Benghazi attacks were planned and executed by terrorists, BEFORE she, the State Department and the Oval Office announced that it was a mob attack in response to an inflaming YouTube video.

    Regarding the FBI investigation of her private emails, which she refused to call an investigation, her office deliberately disposed of 30,000 plus emails AFTER the US Congress served them a subpoena to provide those emails. The sworn statements she provided Congress conflicted with the FBI's findings, though the FBI did not find grounds for recommending indictment because they did not include her statements to Congress to check against their own findings. The cherry on top is the 39 minute private meeting between Bill Clinton and Attorney General Loretta Lynch, the boss of FBI Chief James Comey, on board a private plane with no other witnesses present in allegedly innocent updates about grandchildren, 3 weeks before she was due to give her recommendation for or against prosecution in regard to his wife's email investigation. As we look forward to Trump's inauguration, we should also not forget that the FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation regarding the possible connection between high value donations and political favor, is still going on. With so much vested interest in her victory, Hilary had more lives than a cat's proverbial 9.

    I would say that Trump's alleged miss-dealings are not in the same league as the Clintons and miniscule in comparison and not quite in the same realms of felony and treason.

    Thanks Superado.
    That's pretty everything that I recall (plus Whitewater) and I'll try to give another opinion about all this in the next days.

    But seriously, that's all??

    By everything that has been thrown at Hillary, I thought that she must have started at least 2 wars, killed thousands of people with her own hands and have stolen the Fort Knox Gold treasure to deserve all that hate.

    From what I am seeing there is not really much that really sticks and I'll try to demonstrate this in the days to come.

    Anyhow thanks for replying.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    The personal sexual activities of any politician (as long as they are legal) has never bothered me, though that he lied blatantly and got caught out is of some concern, but that's ancient history now.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,430MI6 Agent
    I think everyone, regardless of the reason for their heart attack on wednesday, should watch this for comfort:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JclFPLMNRDA
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    Thanks Superado.
    That's pretty everything that I recall (plus Whitewater) and I'll try to give another opinion about all this in the next days.

    But seriously, that's all??

    By everything that has been thrown at Hillary, I thought that she must have started at least 2 wars, killed thousands of people with her own hands and have stolen the Fort Knox Gold treasure to deserve all that hate.

    From what I am seeing there is not really much that really sticks and I'll try to demonstrate this in the days to come.

    Anyhow thanks for replying.

    Well, since you mentioned Whitewater, let's go into the realm of conspiracy theories with the mysterious 1993 death of Vince Foster (“suicided”? :o ) and the alleged July 2016 robbery death of DNC staffer, Seth Rich, whose valuables were intact on his body :v ...maybe the Clintons have the same hitman on retainer by means of a competitive 401k plan :))
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,430MI6 Agent
    George Bush jr was president for 8 years after Bill and Hillary were involvert with Whitewater. I don't know when Hillary sneaked around in the shadows in D.C. murdering dozens of people :)), but some of it must have happens before Bush jr left Office.
    Yet nothing is done by the Bush administration. I think it's time people see those accusations have about the same merket as the "birther" stories. It's just conspiracy teorien.
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I don't know when Hillary sneaked around in the shadows in D.C. murdering dozens of people ajb007/lol,.

    The mysterious death count was only in single digits :v Seriously speaking, once issues enter into territory that have become peripheral to key political issues (like Whitewater during the Bush years), they are ignored since they have no consequence to whatever would be the present political situation. I'm not sure if the ongoing investigations into the Clinton Foundation will still have legs (as they involve the State Dept., Dept. of Justice and the FBI), or if the email issue has been truly resolved going forward, but in the present scheme of things they have become irrelevant and it would serve the incoming administration's interests and garner them plenty of political cache if they drop those.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,430MI6 Agent
    If a political enemy (many in the GoP leader see Hillary that way) really is guilty of many murderers and serious fraud AND you get to hold power for many years, it's not likely you let the issue rest. As far as I know, forreign media has never taken these alligations seriously. There is not much European media loves more than American politicians in trouble, but these stories are laughed at.

    One of these days I'll post without correcting the Spelcheck on my mobile phone :))
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    If a political enemy (many in the GoP leader see Hillary that way) really is guilty of many murderers and serious fraud AND you get to hold power for many years, it's not likely you let the issue rest. As far as I know, forreign media has never taken these alligations seriously. There is not much European media loves more than American politicians in trouble, but these stories are laughed at.

    One of these days I'll post without correcting the Spelcheck on my mobile phone :))

    European media is not the final arbiter on global issues...that privilege belongs to American media alone. ;)
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    History repeats itself, and at the moment because of the lack of faith in the political system
    ( all over) the right wing parties are taking advantage of it by offering, something new or a
    change.
    The brexit vote, showing how many parts of the UK, have been abandoned by government,
    with no benifit of being part of the EU to be seen. Factories closed and people having to live by
    getting supplies from " Food banks". Same in America, Loads of forgotten cummunities, no Jobs
    and having to live on charity hand outs.
    Many can see the wealth is being kept by the political/banking classes, even in many places the
    middle classes don't even exist anymore. so if the mainstream politicians, can't help. People will
    look else where. The far right look set for big wins in France, and Italy has it's own Brexit party,
    hoping for success in elections soon. So if the Politicians want to stop this drift to the right, they
    need to start bringing in ideas, for jobs and ways of sharing the wealth a little more evenly.


    The irony is that Trumo is ultra-rich. He has everything in common with the political/banking classes. Even if he had never served as a politician, he surely must have had dealings with politicians. And in office, he will represent bankers, business people and politicians first. Anyone who thinks that a billionaire can represent common people is naïve.
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    The irony is that Trumo is ultra-rich. He has everything in common with the political/banking classes. Even if he had never served as a politician, he surely must have had dealings with politicians. And in office, he will represent bankers, business people and politicians first. Anyone who thinks that a billionaire can represent common people is naïve.

    That's a sweeping generalization. By that reasoning, the Kennedys were incapable of serving the interests of their constituents and neither were Michael Bloomberg, Mitt Romney, John Kerry, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc., to name a few.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,430MI6 Agent
    I agree. Kennedy and the two Roosevelts were filty rich, but were better than average at fighting poverty.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,430MI6 Agent
    I have more good news for Trump - he has the support of another forreign leader! :)

    Abu Omar Khorasani, one of the top IS leaders in Afghanistan says: "His absolute hate against muslims will make our job much easier, since we'll recruite thousands."
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    Nigel-Farage-UKIP-436573.jpg

    "We all laughed when we thought Donald Trump might become President. Well, I have to say, we're not laughing now..."
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I have more good news for Trump - he has the support of another forreign leader! :)

    Abu Omar Khorasani, one of the top IS leaders in Afghanistan says: "His absolute hate against muslims will make our job much easier, since we'll recruite thousands."

    Perhaps the next Democrat president elected after him can again make a global apology tour like Obama (under whose watch the IS flourished btw) did early in his first term, in a bid to appease allies, critics and enemies of America. How did that go? In fear of triggering recruitment within the IS, might as well stop "going to the cafes."
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,486MI6 Agent
    Yeah, but it goes on and on doesn't it? The US under Obama had no appetite for war after Bush, and Bush had formented the conditions for IS.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Superado, you know that I respect you a lot.

    But the claim that the IS flourished under Obama leaves out many aspects that surround the war in Iraq and Syria and I would have hoped that you wouldn't make such a bold claim out of context.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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