And after the election both Trump and the inteligence services questioned the validity of the result. As I have proven many times here I don't know much about IT, but Russian involvment to Trump's advantage seems well documented by the CIA, FBI and NSA. Trump has claimed there were "millions" of voters for Hillary that were fraud/illegal, but has offered no proof of of how and where this happened or even how he "knows" this.
Of course it does with all of those agencies in Clinton's back pocket.
The Clintons, both Bill and Hillary, are two of the most corrupt politicians you will find in the United States outside of Chicago.
And then they did the re-counts and she lost by even more than she did before the re-count. But it's all a Trump/Putin conspiracy. Yeah, right.
So you believe Hillary has all the inteligence agencies "in her back pocket", even after she lost the election, she will never again run for president and the Dems lost both houses?
Do you really belive she controls the FBI, an agency commanded by a Republican? Even after the Feds re-opened the investigation on her just before the election, even though the tradition is not to intefere during elections? She has never been president and her husband left office in 2000, and yet the agencies risk a confrontation with Russia just to please her?
Does that seem likely to you.....? )
Do you find Trump's claims about voter fraud to be believable even though he hasn't even tried to support it with proof or even a hint of how and where it happened? And where did he get the "millions" from?
She has connections that should be bi-partisan and are not. She would have been indicted by now if that were not true. She broke the law and she knew it. She mishandled classified information. If I had done that I would be in jail.
So the Republican FBI chief re-opened the case against her, against all tradition, about one week before the election and possible swaying the crucial votes against her because he is in her pocket?
And not only is the entire US intelligence community under her control, but also a fair number of Republicans in the Congress, since they also believe the Hillary-controlled intelligence services?
This is very funny, but I need to go to bed. Good night
She has connections that should be bi-partisan and are not. She would have been indicted by now if that were not true. She broke the law and she knew it. She mishandled classified information. If I had done that I would be in jail.
Dude, EVERYONE in power here get a free pass when it comes to illegality. MONEY, by it's very nature, is BI-PARTISAN.
Damn man, you slept through history classes didn't you?
If it isn't, you must work to make it a democratic election. The correct way to do this varies Depending on where you live, North Korea or North Carolina.
What I'm saying is, does a true democrat have to accept an election that isn't a democratic election? US presidents are not elected in an entirely democratic manner.
We have our own experiences with "democratic elections" - I don't want to compare Trump with Hitler though.
1933, Hitler's party has gotten 44% of the votes - which was the majority "by a landslide".
By some poster's logic, all protesters against him would have been undemocratic and illegitimate.
Democracy is by far more than the right to vote, one main element is the freedom of mind and speech which includes demonstrations as long as they are peaceful.
As for the "Clintons being most corrupt", I am still waiting of evidence for that. As far as I know, the republicans did not manage a single court decision in favor of that bold claim.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
If Trump had lost, his supporters would be bitching and moaning !
If Clinton lost, her supporters would be bitching and moaning !
Will Trump be Good or bad ? Who knows ? But under the American
System, He won !.... If people aren't happy with the system, then change it.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I smile but not in happiness when I read these posts. It think it is not good to say about Hitler with the US of America. This is different alltogether.
If people had to have experience of the real political bad doing then I could remind them of what is happening in many countries. In the country I am come from there is no real poltical oposition allowed. oponents to the regime are beaten and put in prison or even killed. The votes are rigged so that one party stays in power the hole time.
To speak about people 'biching' when I think of the above makes my eyes roll. I think you should all consider your good forutne.
So no dissent, from the accepted opinion can be expressed ? A very odd opinion for a
Democrat !
I've never experienced rape, but think I can express an opinion on it. ..... Or should laws
Etc only be controlled or debated by a select few ?
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I am not sure what you mean but that is my bad english writing and reading. If you say I am trying to speak above others opinions then you are wrong. If you only were to know what real political opression was to mean then you all would realise that you are fortunate indeed and all that is said here about things to not be legal and such like are foolish to compare against this. When you get arrested and put into prison or are beaten and tortured and shot by the police and army and the ruling party then you will now that you must put the things many speak about into the real way of thinking and that they are of nothing to compare. But I guess you have never been into prison for to speak about the regime?
Everybody takes the freedoms of there speech without a thought in the western world. This is not the cases for many peoples in other parts of the world. Even the intenet like this is watched and you would be reported. That you are able to speak about things without fear but not should you try to stop others from speaking.
While it is true that some people suffer at the hands of corrupt and evil regimes, they do not represent a democratic process, the likes of mugabe are no more than dictators who use a process pretending to be a democracy to legitimise their control to stave off outside interference. The point in the USA is that a lot of people don't consider the American voting process as wholly democratic, the fact is that trump lost the popular vote but is still in power (soon) and to voice this opinion is democratic by its nature. To close these opinions down is not democratic. There will always be those who will never accept any result other than they one they want. Freedom of speech is a core value of a democracy.
Can we quickly move away from Hitler please? I personally would not want to see any debate started around him, I fear it would take a terrible turn very quickly
While it is true that some people suffer at the hands of corrupt and evil regimes, they do not represent a democratic process, the likes of mugabe are no more than dictators who use a process pretending to be a democracy to legitimise their control to stave off outside interference. The point in the USA is that a lot of people don't consider the American voting process as wholly democratic, the fact is that trump lost the popular vote but is still in power (soon) and to voice this opinion is democratic by its nature. To close these opinions down is not democratic. There will always be those who will never accept any result other than they one they want. Freedom of speech is a core value of a democracy.
What worries me more than the election process in the US is the fact, how easily you can bring democratic voters to elect something - based on blatant lies (Brexit, Trump), manipulation - particularly of social media, hate and mistrust to all kind of established media and politician 'over the same brush' like we've seen in the last months.
And that will continue with the elections to come. Some evil people learnt how to ride the democratic system to manipulate it in their - not so democratic - interest.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Can we quickly move away from Hitler please? I personally would not want to see any debate started around him, I fear it would take a terrible turn very quickly
Agreed, apologies for even mentioning him.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I think many are disillusioned with politics in general, so are looking for something different.
We can argue that many voted for the wrong thing but, the mainstream parties have to take
Some of the blame. For ignoring many of their voters for years, with basically things not getting
Any better for them, with few seeing any benefits in their areas.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
If it isn't, you must work to make it a democratic election. The correct way to do this varies Depending on where you live, North Korea or North Carolina.
What I'm saying is, does a true democrat have to accept an election that isn't a democratic election? US presidents are not elected in an entirely democratic manner.
In my opinion there is a lot to admire about the US political system, but there are also worrying flaws such as superpacks ang gerrymandering. I such a system one should vote for candidates who wish to change this and use other democratic means to fixed it (peaceful demonstrations, social media etc.) Any violent means only make matters worse.
Can we quickly move away from Hitler please? I personally would not want to see any debate started around him, I fear it would take a terrible turn very quickly
Agreed, apologies for even mentioning him.
You are entitled to mention him. So no apologies needed.
I think many are disillusioned with politics in general, so are looking for something different.
We can argue that many voted for the wrong thing but, the mainstream parties have to take
Some of the blame. For ignoring many of their voters for years, with basically things not getting
Any better for them, with few seeing any benefits in their areas.
I think we have seen politics work and fail in recent times. In the UK the tories won the general election as the majority of the people felt they could do a better job than any other. It may be a case of best of a bad bunch but still. Populism seems more rife in continental Europe at the moment, I disagree the brexit result is due to populism, the campaigns had little effect on the result it was the issues that mattered to people in their areas that influenced their vote. Trump managed to mobilise a voting sector to swing the election his way, while not entirely populist in nature it definetly has its toes in the the populist water.
Well, the question is if the alternatives will bring better things to people who suffered by politician's ignorance and arrogance in the past?
And wouldn't it be better to support the honest and hardworking politicians against the others?
That would be a good thing, what trump may have achieved is in creating such interest in the US election more people understand the process... The genie is out of the bottle, this may cause the powers that be to look at system or maybe those in power will just put the genie back and hold on to power. in the UK the boundaries of the constituencies is being redrawn to make results more representative. This is alarming the socialists er I mean Labour as they will have a harder job in future and will need more votes to win an election. But at least any government we do get has the true mandate.
A few big elections in France and Italy this year, which may fuel the " Populist" vote for more to leave the EU.
Amazing after all these years, the EU can't defend itself, by showing how much better off people are ? Obviously
If they could, No-one would want to leave ...... I'm sure it's helped a few, .... but not the many.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
We have a political programme that did a survey just before Christmas, that survey showed 1% more people would vote to leave than did in the referendum. The problem we have is the media, they wilfully misrepresent facts and give air time to people who use any event to further their own agendas. The true facts get lost. Since brexit unemployment has continued to fall, the ftse has been competitive, car sales are up,consumer spending is up and for the first time the UK became the 4th largest importer of Swiss watches in the world obviously this is not all to do with brexit but it showed the negative campaigns were misleading.
It remains to be seen how trumps presidency will go, but so far he's backtracked an awful lot.
A few big elections in France and Italy this year, which may fuel the " Populist" vote for more to leave the EU.
Amazing after all these years, the EU can't defend itself, by showing how much better off people are ? Obviously
If they could, No-one would want to leave ...... I'm sure it's helped a few, .... but not the many.
And do you think this movement is fuelled by events here and in the USA? I think they are years in the making.
I'd say that these are mainly results from the falling currency, which will backfire pretty soon
Hmm the currency which rallied towards the end of the year?
Meanwhile the euro is slipping against the dollar and is predicted to have a rocky performance this year along with the pound. The currency markets are unstable at the moment and are controlled by a few traders, of course we could all help our selves, just get every working person in a country to invest a small amount in their own currency
I think my way of thinking counts for nothing much here. I live in a big city which is many peoples who are from different parts of the world. I now that many Asians and Africans who could vote were voted to leave the eu. I heard a lot of peoples speaking about this in my area, not white people but Asians and African peoples. I think the Asian peoples who I heard were more to vote to leave the eu than others even the white peoples. I am not sure if this is to say that all peoples who voted to leave the eu are as is said and racist or other things.
I did not vote as i did not decide to do what I should vote. I do respect the vote and the peoples choices. I do this because I know what it is to have the peoples wish not seen. Because those who don't like the vote as it came should not namecall others who won the vote. This is not good.
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Of course it does with all of those agencies in Clinton's back pocket.
The Clintons, both Bill and Hillary, are two of the most corrupt politicians you will find in the United States outside of Chicago.
And then they did the re-counts and she lost by even more than she did before the re-count. But it's all a Trump/Putin conspiracy. Yeah, right.
Do you really belive she controls the FBI, an agency commanded by a Republican? Even after the Feds re-opened the investigation on her just before the election, even though the tradition is not to intefere during elections? She has never been president and her husband left office in 2000, and yet the agencies risk a confrontation with Russia just to please her?
Does that seem likely to you.....?
Do you find Trump's claims about voter fraud to be believable even though he hasn't even tried to support it with proof or even a hint of how and where it happened? And where did he get the "millions" from?
And not only is the entire US intelligence community under her control, but also a fair number of Republicans in the Congress, since they also believe the Hillary-controlled intelligence services?
This is very funny, but I need to go to bed. Good night
Damn man, you slept through history classes didn't you?
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What I'm saying is, does a true democrat have to accept an election that isn't a democratic election? US presidents are not elected in an entirely democratic manner.
1933, Hitler's party has gotten 44% of the votes - which was the majority "by a landslide".
By some poster's logic, all protesters against him would have been undemocratic and illegitimate.
Democracy is by far more than the right to vote, one main element is the freedom of mind and speech which includes demonstrations as long as they are peaceful.
As for the "Clintons being most corrupt", I am still waiting of evidence for that. As far as I know, the republicans did not manage a single court decision in favor of that bold claim.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
If Clinton lost, her supporters would be bitching and moaning !
Will Trump be Good or bad ? Who knows ? But under the American
System, He won !.... If people aren't happy with the system, then change it.
If people had to have experience of the real political bad doing then I could remind them of what is happening in many countries. In the country I am come from there is no real poltical oposition allowed. oponents to the regime are beaten and put in prison or even killed. The votes are rigged so that one party stays in power the hole time.
To speak about people 'biching' when I think of the above makes my eyes roll. I think you should all consider your good forutne.
Democrat !
I've never experienced rape, but think I can express an opinion on it. ..... Or should laws
Etc only be controlled or debated by a select few ?
If you read again what I wrote, you may realize that I've done the opposite:
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
What worries me more than the election process in the US is the fact, how easily you can bring democratic voters to elect something - based on blatant lies (Brexit, Trump), manipulation - particularly of social media, hate and mistrust to all kind of established media and politician 'over the same brush' like we've seen in the last months.
And that will continue with the elections to come. Some evil people learnt how to ride the democratic system to manipulate it in their - not so democratic - interest.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Agreed, apologies for even mentioning him.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
We can argue that many voted for the wrong thing but, the mainstream parties have to take
Some of the blame. For ignoring many of their voters for years, with basically things not getting
Any better for them, with few seeing any benefits in their areas.
In my opinion there is a lot to admire about the US political system, but there are also worrying flaws such as superpacks ang gerrymandering. I such a system one should vote for candidates who wish to change this and use other democratic means to fixed it (peaceful demonstrations, social media etc.) Any violent means only make matters worse.
And wouldn't it be better to support the honest and hardworking politicians against the others?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Amazing after all these years, the EU can't defend itself, by showing how much better off people are ? Obviously
If they could, No-one would want to leave
if there was another referendum next week, do you really think, that the majority would vote for Brexit?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
It remains to be seen how trumps presidency will go, but so far he's backtracked an awful lot.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Meanwhile the euro is slipping against the dollar and is predicted to have a rocky performance this year along with the pound. The currency markets are unstable at the moment and are controlled by a few traders, of course we could all help our selves, just get every working person in a country to invest a small amount in their own currency
I did not vote as i did not decide to do what I should vote. I do respect the vote and the peoples choices. I do this because I know what it is to have the peoples wish not seen. Because those who don't like the vote as it came should not namecall others who won the vote. This is not good.