I love the look / backdrop of the Skyfall Patrice fight but thought the fight was too easy for Bond
It works really well in the context of the scene, but I do like a gritty bone cruncher, I love the CR venice palazzo fight, the ruthless beating of the guards in the qos opera scene, in fact Ive enjoyed most of DC's physical stuff, just the length of time it took bond to beat Greene irks me slightly, James bond vs tiny slimy dude? Bond should not have struggled there but metered out some serious punishment......for Mathis -{
Yes Greene should have been taken down with a small bitch slap )
I would have to say the fight between Bond and Renard in TWINE, I understand that its a tough environment to film a fight scene because of the metal surfaces and poles and addition of water complicating it. That said it was just a weak fight scene that could've been so much better especially given Renard's immunity to pain. Though the same could be said for the majority of TWINE.
I love the look / backdrop of the Skyfall Patrice fight but thought the fight was too easy for Bond
It works really well in the context of the scene, but I do like a gritty bone cruncher, I love the CR venice palazzo fight, the ruthless beating of the guards in the qos opera scene, in fact Ive enjoyed most of DC's physical stuff, just the length of time it took bond to beat Greene irks me slightly, James bond vs tiny slimy dude? Bond should not have struggled there but metered out some serious punishment......for Mathis -{
Even though I absolutely love that fight and its cinematography I do agree that it took Bond too long to take down Greene, but in his defense Greene was swinging an axe like a manic.
Indeed a screaming maniac at that. Greene was so wonderfully slimy it would have been good to see Bond slap him around with utter confidence in his superior physicality
I think the Harlem alley fight (if you can even call it that) in LALD was an amazingly poor first fistcuff sequence for Roger Moore. Considering how physical his fights were on The Saint- Moore is far more brutal in his Simon Templar punchups- it would have been nice to be treated to something similar for his first fight sequence. In fact, the only Moore sequence that seems to capture that Saint brutality is Bond repeatedly banging the guys head against the wall in TMWTGG.
I actually love most of Moore's fight sequences- Sandor, Ivan and Boris, Yo Yo thugs in OP is a favorite. I'm not too bothered by either the warehouse/lab fight in AVTAK or Stacey's mansion as both sequences are clearly meant to be funny as opposed to thrilling.
The fights I really don't care for are Bond/Graves intertwined with Jinx/Miranda. When I first saw DAD I knew it was my vote for worst Bond film ever before we even got to the CGI surf b.s. scene, but the Grave fight was salt on the wound.
That scene would be appropriate for ANY early 90s action film, with it's cheesy dialogue, but not Bond.
I agree about the Greene fight. You'd think by QoS the filmmakers would have learned from their mistakes, but no. We get the Greene/Bond intercut with Camile/Medrano sequence. And it goes on and on. I'm surprised Greene actually put up the fight he did with Craig's Bond. To me him against Craig was kind of like had a similar scene been directed with Charles Gray and Connery. I just didn't buy it.
Most of the Connery fights were great, but the Hans one is pretty meh....same with Bond and Eric Kreigler. I agree about the Renard sub fight as well. Pretty sub-par. In fact does Bond even have a decent fight sequence in TWINE?
I think the Harlem alley fight (if you can even call it that) in LALD was an amazingly poor first fistcuff sequence for Roger Moore. Considering how physical his fights were on The Saint- Moore is far more brutal in his Simon Templar punchups- it would have been nice to be treated to something similar for his first fight sequence. In fact, the only Moore sequence that seems to capture that Saint brutality is Bond repeatedly banging the guys head against the wall in TMWTGG.
I actually love most of Moore's fight sequences- Sandor, Ivan and Boris, Yo Yo thugs in OP is a favorite. I'm not too bothered by either the warehouse/lab fight in AVTAK or Stacey's mansion as both sequences are clearly meant to be funny as opposed to thrilling.
The fights I really don't care for are Bond/Graves intertwined with Jinx/Miranda. When I first saw DAD I knew it was my vote for worst Bond film ever before we even got to the CGI surf b.s. scene, but the Grave fight was salt on the wound.
That scene would be appropriate for ANY early 90s action film, with it's cheesy dialogue, but not Bond.
I agree about the Greene fight. You'd think by QoS the filmmakers would have learned from their mistakes, but no. We get the Greene/Bond intercut with Camile/Medrano sequence. And it goes on and on. I'm surprised Greene actually put up the fight he did with Craig's Bond. To me him against Craig was kind of like had a similar scene been directed with Charles Gray and Connery. I just didn't buy it.
Most of the Connery fights were great, but the Hans one is pretty meh....same with Bond and Eric Kreigler. I agree about the Renard sub fight as well. Pretty sub-par. In fact does Bond even have a decent fight sequence in TWINE?
I actually don't mind the fight between Jinx and Miranda. I like one of Arnold's cues during the sequence, and it's probably one of the few moments where Jinx isn't annoying. Similarly, I like the fight between Camille and Medrano. Shows Camille's physical capabilities and cements her - in my mind - as the second best agent Bond girl (the first being Wai Lin).
The closest thing we get to fisticuffs in TWINE is the Renard fight, but I actually don't mind that we don't more hand to hand combat. He doesn't have to brawl in every Bond film. Instead, we get a terrific opening scene, Bond subduing the goon at the bar with his tie and the ice pick, and the wonderfully tense scene with Renard in the bunker.
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In terms of some underrated gems:
- Moore's best fight sequence could have been the one in Saida's room, but that mirror doesn't do it any favours. The opposite in fact.
- Connery's fight in Osato's office is quite good I reckon.
- Bond vs Greene I really like. Bond facing off against a maniac is always good.
- Bond vs Patrice on the train I like a lot.
- Similarly, the silhouetted Bond vs Patrice is my favourite, along with Bond vs Grant and 007 vs 006. Brutal, dangerous and beautifully shot.
- Bond vs Slate is also excellent, if only for the look of regret we get from Bond at the end of the fight.
Another underrated fight in my view is the Jacques Bouvar fight in TB.
All of Dalton's were pretty bad. It was clear that by that point the fight-choreography was being phoned in. Ironically, the best fight in a Dalton movie was the one in TLD between Necros and the unnamed MI6 agent in the safe house.
I was always disappointed by the fight choreography in the Skyfall Komodo dragon scene. After the great Shanghai fight, suddenly Bond is putting up his dukes like he's a 1930s boxer or something.
I think the Harlem alley fight (if you can even call it that) in LALD was an amazingly poor first fistcuff sequence for Roger Moore. Considering how physical his fights were on The Saint- Moore is far more brutal in his Simon Templar punchups- it would have been nice to be treated to something similar for his first fight sequence. In fact, the only Moore sequence that seems to capture that Saint brutality is Bond repeatedly banging the guys head against the wall in TMWTGG.
I actually love most of Moore's fight sequences- Sandor, Ivan and Boris, Yo Yo thugs in OP is a favorite. I'm not too bothered by either the warehouse/lab fight in AVTAK or Stacey's mansion as both sequences are clearly meant to be funny as opposed to thrilling.
The fights I really don't care for are Bond/Graves intertwined with Jinx/Miranda. When I first saw DAD I knew it was my vote for worst Bond film ever before we even got to the CGI surf b.s. scene, but the Grave fight was salt on the wound.
That scene would be appropriate for ANY early 90s action film, with it's cheesy dialogue, but not Bond.
I agree about the Greene fight. You'd think by QoS the filmmakers would have learned from their mistakes, but no. We get the Greene/Bond intercut with Camile/Medrano sequence. And it goes on and on. I'm surprised Greene actually put up the fight he did with Craig's Bond. To me him against Craig was kind of like had a similar scene been directed with Charles Gray and Connery. I just didn't buy it.
Most of the Connery fights were great, but the Hans one is pretty meh....same with Bond and Eric Kreigler. I agree about the Renard sub fight as well. Pretty sub-par. In fact does Bond even have a decent fight sequence in TWINE?
I actually don't mind the fight between Jinx and Miranda. I like one of Arnold's cues during the sequence, and it's probably one of the few moments where Jinx isn't annoying. Similarly, I like the fight between Camille and Medrano. Shows Camille's physical capabilities and cements her - in my mind - as the second best agent Bond girl (the first being Wai Lin).
The closest thing we get to fisticuffs in TWINE is the Renard fight, but I actually don't mind that we don't more hand to hand combat. He doesn't have to brawl in every Bond film. Instead, we get a terrific opening scene, Bond subduing the goon at the bar with his tie and the ice pick, and the wonderfully tense scene with Renard in the bunker.
TWINE actually has two great hand to hand moments which are in my opinion perfect representations of how Brosnan's Bond should have been in hand to hand. First is the brilliant bank opening, which is one of the great Bond scenes I think and the casino ice pick moment you mention. in both instances Brosnan is quick, suave, deadly, and cool all at once.
Bond kicking the fat bald bloke about on the rooftop is memorable, but really only for the setting and the pay off. The old Moore thing of kicking your opponents is pretty hopeless though it made sense at the time and anything nastier might have upset the tone of the film, which is Dean Martin hi-jinks really.
You do wonder about the wisdom of hiring two blokes from whom you could, at a push, just run away from. Hence the fights in confined spaces I suppose (train, cable car and so on).
I think the Harlem alley fight (if you can even call it that) in LALD was an amazingly poor first fistcuff sequence for Roger Moore. Considering how physical his fights were on The Saint- Moore is far more brutal in his Simon Templar punchups- it would have been nice to be treated to something similar for his first fight sequence. In fact, the only Moore sequence that seems to capture that Saint brutality is Bond repeatedly banging the guys head against the wall in TMWTGG.
I actually love most of Moore's fight sequences- Sandor, Ivan and Boris, Yo Yo thugs in OP is a favorite. I'm not too bothered by either the warehouse/lab fight in AVTAK or Stacey's mansion as both sequences are clearly meant to be funny as opposed to thrilling.
The fights I really don't care for are Bond/Graves intertwined with Jinx/Miranda. When I first saw DAD I knew it was my vote for worst Bond film ever before we even got to the CGI surf b.s. scene, but the Grave fight was salt on the wound.
That scene would be appropriate for ANY early 90s action film, with it's cheesy dialogue, but not Bond.
I agree about the Greene fight. You'd think by QoS the filmmakers would have learned from their mistakes, but no. We get the Greene/Bond intercut with Camile/Medrano sequence. And it goes on and on. I'm surprised Greene actually put up the fight he did with Craig's Bond. To me him against Craig was kind of like had a similar scene been directed with Charles Gray and Connery. I just didn't buy it.
Most of the Connery fights were great, but the Hans one is pretty meh....same with Bond and Eric Kreigler. I agree about the Renard sub fight as well. Pretty sub-par. In fact does Bond even have a decent fight sequence in TWINE?
I actually don't mind the fight between Jinx and Miranda. I like one of Arnold's cues during the sequence, and it's probably one of the few moments where Jinx isn't annoying. Similarly, I like the fight between Camille and Medrano. Shows Camille's physical capabilities and cements her - in my mind - as the second best agent Bond girl (the first being Wai Lin).
The closest thing we get to fisticuffs in TWINE is the Renard fight, but I actually don't mind that we don't more hand to hand combat. He doesn't have to brawl in every Bond film. Instead, we get a terrific opening scene, Bond subduing the goon at the bar with his tie and the ice pick, and the wonderfully tense scene with Renard in the bunker.
TWINE actually has two great hand to hand moments which are in my opinion perfect representations of how Brosnan's Bond should have been in hand to hand. First is the brilliant bank opening, which is one of the great Bond scenes I think and the casino ice pick moment you mention. in both instances Brosnan is quick, suave, deadly, and cool all at once.
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In terms of some underrated gems:
- Moore's best fight sequence could have been the one in Saida's room, but that mirror doesn't do it any favours. The opposite in fact.
This for me that is possibly the worst* in the series - Sir Rog never looks dangerous IMO. The angles really don't help, it just looks like a seventies tv fight, and not a patch on Connery's or Lazenby's fights. (* the non-fight at the Kung Fu school is the low point of the series IMO).
I'm not a fan of the Patrice/Shanghai fight, for much of the fight it's so starkly silhouetted that I couldn't work out who was throwing which punch at whom.
At the other end of the scale, the PTS beach fight in OHMSS is so beautifully filmed and imaginative, with the nets, oar and anchor, and the timing of the punches and throws so well choreographed, plus John Barry's magnificent "This never happened to the other feller" score, that I think it stands up among the best fight scenes in any series.
I've never liked the YOLT ariel shots that are choreographed either. Just think it's out of place in a Bond film. Like others have mentioned I also hate the cable car fight with Jaws. It's almost in slow motion in parts. Jaws looks pathetic for some reason. The opposite of how he comes across in the previous film.
One that nobody has mentioned is the fight with the pilot / henchman in the PTS of Moonraker. It's rubbish, almost like a rehearsal for the actual fight. I'm talking about the fight in the plane. I think the punch sound effects are even missing. This may be controversial but I also think that the fight in mid air is awful. Why did they show the close up of the stunt double's face with the protective glasses on? A great idea but I've never liked it. And the double of Jaws is just laughable! Showing the amount of frames of his expression when his cord snaps and then flapping???
I've never liked the YOLT ariel shots that are choreographed either. Just think it's out of place in a Bond film. Like others have mentioned I also hate the cable car fight with Jaws. It's almost in slow motion in parts. Jaws looks pathetic for some reason. The opposite of how he comes across in the previous film.
One that nobody has mentioned is the fight with the pilot / henchman in the PTS of Moonraker. It's rubbish, almost like a rehearsal for the actual fight. I'm talking about the fight in the plane. I think the punch sound effects are even missing. This may be controversial but I also think that the fight in mid air is awful. Why did they show the close up of the stunt double's face with the protective glasses on? A great idea but I've never liked it. And the double of Jaws is just laughable! Showing the amount of frames of his expression when his cord snaps and then flapping???
Thanks for agreeing on the YOLT shot! I tend to agree about your comments on MR's PTS. While it's impressive in the method of filming (actually up in the sky), I don't particularly enjoy it that much.
Moore doesn't really have many stand out fights because it's just not part of his "thing", but I've always thought that the yo-yo fight on Octopussy's island was really decent. It's heavily staged and edited, but I still think Moore moves well and throws in some cool actions. Especially the breaking of the guys arm and throwing his face into the tank!
Firstly I love Sir Roger -{ but Connery was a fighter in real life as was Lazenby
Roger. Was old School Hollywood fighting. ( Hand under the chin, which was where
You'd punch , Old theatrical technique ) Dalton also didn't seem comfortable in fight
Sequences. Brosnan looked like he knew how to move and of course Daniel got loads
Of training to look good throwing a punch
This is of course only my opinion, and other opinions are available
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) True, but fight sequences have moved on in leaps and bounds over the years.
True Dat, but Big Tam and Georgy boy managed to have credible fisticuffs which stand up even by todays standards before Sir Roger, which kinda undercuts your creditable defence of Roger as Bond in the punchup department does it not ?
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You sir, have clearly not read my totally brilliant ( the benchmark, some say ) post ( 58)
On the fighting skills of the Bonds.
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Yes Greene should have been taken down with a small bitch slap
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I actually love most of Moore's fight sequences- Sandor, Ivan and Boris, Yo Yo thugs in OP is a favorite. I'm not too bothered by either the warehouse/lab fight in AVTAK or Stacey's mansion as both sequences are clearly meant to be funny as opposed to thrilling.
The fights I really don't care for are Bond/Graves intertwined with Jinx/Miranda. When I first saw DAD I knew it was my vote for worst Bond film ever before we even got to the CGI surf b.s. scene, but the Grave fight was salt on the wound.
That scene would be appropriate for ANY early 90s action film, with it's cheesy dialogue, but not Bond.
I agree about the Greene fight. You'd think by QoS the filmmakers would have learned from their mistakes, but no. We get the Greene/Bond intercut with Camile/Medrano sequence. And it goes on and on. I'm surprised Greene actually put up the fight he did with Craig's Bond. To me him against Craig was kind of like had a similar scene been directed with Charles Gray and Connery. I just didn't buy it.
Most of the Connery fights were great, but the Hans one is pretty meh....same with Bond and Eric Kreigler. I agree about the Renard sub fight as well. Pretty sub-par. In fact does Bond even have a decent fight sequence in TWINE?
I actually don't mind the fight between Jinx and Miranda. I like one of Arnold's cues during the sequence, and it's probably one of the few moments where Jinx isn't annoying. Similarly, I like the fight between Camille and Medrano. Shows Camille's physical capabilities and cements her - in my mind - as the second best agent Bond girl (the first being Wai Lin).
The closest thing we get to fisticuffs in TWINE is the Renard fight, but I actually don't mind that we don't more hand to hand combat. He doesn't have to brawl in every Bond film. Instead, we get a terrific opening scene, Bond subduing the goon at the bar with his tie and the ice pick, and the wonderfully tense scene with Renard in the bunker.
I'd say the Largo vs Bond fight at the end of TB is pretty poor, so is the Bond and Tibbet fight scene with Zorin's men.
Another underrated fight in my view is the Jacques Bouvar fight in TB.
I was always disappointed by the fight choreography in the Skyfall Komodo dragon scene. After the great Shanghai fight, suddenly Bond is putting up his dukes like he's a 1930s boxer or something.
Bond kicking the fat bald bloke about on the rooftop is memorable, but really only for the setting and the pay off. The old Moore thing of kicking your opponents is pretty hopeless though it made sense at the time and anything nastier might have upset the tone of the film, which is Dean Martin hi-jinks really.
You do wonder about the wisdom of hiring two blokes from whom you could, at a push, just run away from. Hence the fights in confined spaces I suppose (train, cable car and so on).
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Quite so.
This for me that is possibly the worst* in the series - Sir Rog never looks dangerous IMO. The angles really don't help, it just looks like a seventies tv fight, and not a patch on Connery's or Lazenby's fights. (* the non-fight at the Kung Fu school is the low point of the series IMO).
I'm not a fan of the Patrice/Shanghai fight, for much of the fight it's so starkly silhouetted that I couldn't work out who was throwing which punch at whom.
At the other end of the scale, the PTS beach fight in OHMSS is so beautifully filmed and imaginative, with the nets, oar and anchor, and the timing of the punches and throws so well choreographed, plus John Barry's magnificent "This never happened to the other feller" score, that I think it stands up among the best fight scenes in any series.
One that nobody has mentioned is the fight with the pilot / henchman in the PTS of Moonraker. It's rubbish, almost like a rehearsal for the actual fight. I'm talking about the fight in the plane. I think the punch sound effects are even missing. This may be controversial but I also think that the fight in mid air is awful. Why did they show the close up of the stunt double's face with the protective glasses on? A great idea but I've never liked it. And the double of Jaws is just laughable! Showing the amount of frames of his expression when his cord snaps and then flapping???
Thanks for agreeing on the YOLT shot! I tend to agree about your comments on MR's PTS. While it's impressive in the method of filming (actually up in the sky), I don't particularly enjoy it that much.
Moore doesn't really have many stand out fights because it's just not part of his "thing", but I've always thought that the yo-yo fight on Octopussy's island was really decent. It's heavily staged and edited, but I still think Moore moves well and throws in some cool actions. Especially the breaking of the guys arm and throwing his face into the tank!
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Roger. Was old School Hollywood fighting. ( Hand under the chin, which was where
You'd punch , Old theatrical technique ) Dalton also didn't seem comfortable in fight
Sequences. Brosnan looked like he knew how to move and of course Daniel got loads
Of training to look good throwing a punch
This is of course only my opinion, and other opinions are available
True Dat, but Big Tam and Georgy boy managed to have credible fisticuffs which stand up even by todays standards before Sir Roger, which kinda undercuts your creditable defence of Roger as Bond in the punchup department does it not ?
On the fighting skills of the Bonds.
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