Military overthrowing Turkish Government?

welshboy78

Scary stuff. Not quite clear yet with conflcting reports.

Thunderpussy

Scary is right !

Smithers500

At times like this I thank god for the escapism that is Bond!

welshboy78

Looking like its failed

Chriscoop

They're calling it an attempted coup now, probably started by military leaders following hizmet, just goes to show how easily peace and democracy can be shattered. What with this and what's happened in France it's clear we live in dangerous times.

Silhouette Man

I'm hoping that the forces of democracy triumph in this fight. The world is caught up in such uncertain times currently.

Ornithologist

Cui bono?

So there was allegedly an attempted military coup, and the reaction is to fire more than 2700 judges (not soldiers)?

Higgins

I am all for democracy and the attempted coup was to be condemned.

What we have to keep in mind is, that Erdogan has systematically eroded the democratic institutions.
Media have been streamlined, journalists put in jail ( for terroroism), independent judges fired and opposition MSs will go to jail in order to get the majority to change the country from a representative democracy into an islamic Presidential State.

He even went so far as threatening german MPs for calling turkish war crimes ' genocide'

So if there is someone in Turkey, who should not speak about democracy, it's Erdogan.

Ornithologist

Higgins wrote:

So if there is someone in Turkey, who should not speak about democracy, it's Erdogan.

Why not? He's always had the best one-liners:



Edit: Two-liners

welshboy78

Ornithologist wrote:

Cui bono?

So there was allegedly an attempted military coup, and the reaction is to fire more than 2700 judges (not soldiers)?

2700 Judges and 2800 Soldiers according to the BBC

Thunderpussy

Erdogan runs Turkey, The EU needs Turkey = Erdogan can do what he likes !

Ornithologist

welshboy78 wrote:

Ornithologist wrote:

Cui bono?

So there was allegedly an attempted military coup, and the reaction is to fire more than 2700 judges (not soldiers)?

2700 Judges and 2800 Soldiers according to the BBC

but what have the judges done?

Higgins

Thunderpussy wrote:

The EU needs Turkey = Erdogan can do what he likes !

That's easy to criticize from a UK point of view.
The EU needs him because besides of Germany noone accepts a larger number of refugees*
How many syrian refugees did the Uk take in the last 12 months?

*the alternative would be to let them drown in the Med. Sea.

Silhouette Man

Getting rid of so many judges just sounds awfully convenient for starting up a dictatorship...

welshboy78

Ornithologist wrote:

welshboy78 wrote:

Ornithologist wrote:

Cui bono?

So there was allegedly an attempted military coup, and the reaction is to fire more than 2700 judges (not soldiers)?

2700 Judges and 2800 Soldiers according to the BBC

but what have the judges done?

Allegedly part of the Coup

Higgins

Yep, that will be Erdogan's excuse for the weeks to come for eliminating even more oppositional and democratic institutions:

Allegedly being part of the coup and/or supporting terrorism

Thunderpussy

My only point is the EU need him, so if he wants to start live beheading on TV, he can !
Then when he's not needed the politicians can become outraged at his actions.
We can discuss who did what and when and how often, nothing changes the facts. He has
The EU by the b*lls , and will squeeze all he can out of ......... Europe !

Silhouette Man

I wonder was it all a set-up?

welshboy78

Silhouette Man wrote:

I wonder was it all a set-up?

Im no expert lol but watching it last night it looked / sounded amateurish.

Initially looked like Erdogan's days were numbered using FaceTime to call a TV station and telling the people to fight on the streets etc however looks like a few thousand soldiers and a couple of nicked tanks against the rest of the army and their F16s

The clips I saw showed the men on the street yanking the tank commanders from their vehicles and giving them a slap!!!

Higgins

Silhouette Man wrote:

I wonder was it all a set-up?

That's being discussed here as well. But that can be said about most recent events - you always can speculate that the economic/political leaders have a ' masterplan' - the internet is full of it.
I guess that we'll never find out

Higgins

Thunderpussy wrote:

He has
The EU by the b*lls , and will squeeze all he can out of ......... Europe !

Yes, but the larger picture is, that if we in the West would act along our values ( we call ourselfs humanitarians and have all signed the Geneva Refugee Acts), Erdogan would have nobody at their b**s.

So the problem is not only Erdogan, it's us and our shortsighted and narrow- minded egoism.

Thunderpussy

As soon as he becomes "less useful" he'll be an "Evil Dictator" and it will be time
For regime change.

Sir Miles

Higgins wrote:

Thunderpussy wrote:

The EU needs Turkey = Erdogan can do what he likes !

That's easy to criticize from a UK point of view.
The EU needs him because besides of Germany noone accepts a larger number of refugees*
How many syrian refugees did the Uk take in the last 12 months?

*the alternative would be to let them drown in the Med. Sea.

And why, exactly, are Syrians leaving their own country ? And why is the rest of the world just letting it happen ?
Those are the more important questions !

Taking refugees is NOT the answer to the problem.

Higgins

so, you are basically asking them to wait until the war settles down in front of their doors or wait until their cities are taken over by IS?

Higgins

Sir Miles wrote:

Taking refugees is NOT the answer to the problem.

But if we are not taking refugees we revoke the right to call ourselves 'civilized' and 'humanitarians'.
And we have signed to do it. Period!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees

Lady Rose

Higgins wrote:

Silhouette Man wrote:

I wonder was it all a set-up?

That's being discussed here as well. But that can be said about most recent events - you always can speculate that the economic/political leaders have a ' masterplan' - the internet is full of it.
I guess that we'll never find out

A friend of mine lives in Turkey and this morning she said to me that it rumoured there that it was all staged to show how powerful Erdogan is.

Who knows? Nothing would surprise me anymore.

There is also the little incident of Erdogan , a comic and the German courts which led to our new Foreign Secretary winning a poetry competition. :v

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/boris-johnson-wins-the-spectators-president-erdogan-offensive-poetry-competition/

Sir Miles

Higgins wrote:

so, you are basically asking them to wait until the war settles down in front of their doors or wait until their cities are taken over by IS?

That's not what I was asking - and you know it.

I expected better

Sir Miles

Higgins wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

Taking refugees is NOT the answer to the problem.

But if we are not taking refugees we revoke the right to call ourselves 'civilized' and 'humanitarians'.
And we have signed to do it. Period!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees

Do you genuinely believe people are 'civilised' and 'humanitarians' ? That ship sailed thousands of years ago.

Higgins

Sir Miles wrote:

Higgins wrote:

so, you are basically asking them to wait until the war settles down in front of their doors or wait until their cities are taken over by IS?

That's not what I was asking - and you know it.

I expected better

We can discuss and finger-point forever about who's to blame for that mess but those poor people need our help. Now!

That's the reply to your question.

Higgins

Sir Miles wrote:

Do you genuinely believe people are 'civilised' and 'humanitarians' ? That ship sailed thousands of years ago.

I for my part am trying to live along those lines and I have hope that I am not alone.
And you?

Sir Miles

Higgins wrote:

Sir Miles wrote:

Do you genuinely believe people are 'civilised' and 'humanitarians' ? That ship sailed thousands of years ago.

I for my part am trying to live along those lines and I have hope that I am not alone.
And you?

No. I believe the vast majority of people aren't. Religion has a lot to answer for.