Reports of another shooting in Germany.
(Although now not regarded as a terrorist attack )
This is where I think the ban on guns has gone wrong ,if you cant get a gun ,then you will use a axe ,if you cant get a axe ,well you get the picture . If your mad enough to kill people ,u will always find a way im sorry to say .
If you remember Munich last week, there where stampedes and people seeing attacks everywhere.
Some people have gotten injured just because they jumped out fromsomewhere in panic.
Now imagine a crowd with many people carrying a gun and estimate the victims from ' law abiting shooters'
I for my part am happy that guns are banned here
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
"Germany's National Gun Registry introduced at the end of 2012 counted 5.5 million firearms in use, which are legally owned by 1.4 million people in the country. About 1.5 Million sport shooters in several thousand Schützenvereine own and use guns for sport, about 400,000 hunters have a licensed gun, about 300,000 collect guns and about 900,000 own an inherited gun. However, estimates of the actual guns in use go up to 45 Million. While gun ownership is widespread and associations and ranges for shooting sports and the use of historical guns and weapons in festivals are not being tabooed, the use of guns for private self-defence purposes is restricted."
My 44 and PPK came from Frankonia , Germanys biggest gun dealers.
Civilians carrying guns wouldn't make any difference, these animals want to die and go see Allah anyway.
I personally think we are seeing a coordinated attack, and this is the new isis method, it is also becoming obvious that the terrorists are using the refugee route. In my opinion those who travel to Syria for unknown or unquantifiable reasons should be intercepted and questioned on their return then expelled.
If you threaten the civil liberty of a country and it's people and wish to do harm then you've no business being there. I'm also of the opinion anyone convicted of terror charges should be imprisoned by the military for the rest of their useless lives, I'm sure theyd love a daily beasting, and cleaning the square with a toothbrush etc etc of course this isn't very pc but it's a damn site nicer than having you throat slit, being blown to bits by a nail bomb or gunned down at a concert.
it is also becoming obvious that the terrorists are using the refugee route..
From the millions of refugees that came in the last years, there where now 2 attacks that could be linked to refugees.
So you are right - this will happen but imo the major threat are people that are already living here and
a. radicalize themselfs/get radicalized over the net or by local imans*
b. people who just kind of "elevate" their crimes by referring to ISIS.
Refugees from Syria need our help and empathy and 99,99% of them are not terrorists!
Revoking them help because of 0,01% among them is just wrong!
I don't understand why in Germany Salafists are still allowed to lure people in public with their "read" capainings while they are already identified for being a thread for our consitution.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
We need a better strategy to cope with refugees, I've always been more in favour of enforcing safe zones within conflicted countries, and I'm not talking camps here I'm talking whole cities. There are no easy fix for the refugee crisis, maybe one day we will learn not to interfere with countries and cultures we don't fully comprehend. There also needs to be a long term multinational plan to deal with the terrorist threat.
I agree with most of what you've said.
"Safety Zones" in Syria would be the first targets for ISIS, Assad and others to attack though for example.
And these people simply don't have the time until this all is organized - they need our help NOW!
One key strategy is also not to rob people in Africa so that they are able to feed themselfs - and birth control!
The next wave of people leaving their country because they have no other choice will be from Africa - even if we managed to settle the mess in Syria, Irak, Afghanistan and with the Taliban and ISIS
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Unfortunately there are no quick fixes, it will take decades, but surely a government has a responsibility to protect its own citizens? Safe zones can be implemented relatively quickly by an aggressive nato force who would hold such areas, this would mean troops on the ground with supporting air forces, it would also mean inevitable losses I'm afraid, you are correct that Africa will be the next problem and attention there is needed sooner rather than later.
Refugees from Syria need our help and empathy and 99,99% of them are not terrorists!
Revoking them help because of 0,01% among them is just wrong!
Quoting your figures: So if a country accepts 2 million refugees then 20,000 will be terrorists. if each of those terrorists go on to kill 10 people each then 200,000 innocent countrymen will die needlessly. Surely no government can accept that?
Higgins, your empathy for these poor refugees is admirable and yes something has to be done but mass immigration is not the answer they need help in fighting back against these monsters and 99 to 1 odds sounds pretty good to me if they can be organized into a fighting unit. Retreating against these fanatics is playing into their hands. The free world needs to band together and cut the cancer out at source.
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
Refugees from Syria need our help and empathy and 99,99% of them are not terrorists!
Revoking them help because of 0,01% among them is just wrong!
Quoting your figures: So if a country accepts 2 million refugees then 20,000 will be terrorists. if each of those terrorists go on to kill 10 people each then 200,000 innocent countrymen will die needlessly. Surely no government can accept that?
Higgins, your empathy for these poor refugees is admirable and yes something has to be done but mass immigration is not the answer they need help in fighting back against these monsters and 99 to 1 odds sounds pretty good to me if they can be organized into a fighting unit. Retreating against these fanatics is playing into their hands. The free world needs to band together and cut the cancer out at source.
Quoting your figures: So if a country accepts 2 million refugees then 20,000 will be terrorists. if each of those terrorists go on to kill 10 people each then 200,000 innocent countrymen will die needlessly. Surely no government can accept that?
Well, my numbers have been totally random. As for today, we have over 2 million refugees and from them there are 2 terrorists, who have killed one victim but themselfs (in France yesterday)
We've had terrorism before the refugee crisis (which wouldn't be one if everybody would carry their share) and will have more terrorism after its. The reasons are well known and it's ridiculous to blame those that show merci and empathy against people who have lost everything for everything which is remotely connected to muslims.
Consequently - you are asking to let 1.999.998 people die in front of your borders because 2 of them have been terrorists!
As I've said, most of those refugees need our help NOW - there is no time to wait until we've sorted this mess out in the next years and keeping them on hold is simply killing them or move them to the "stupid" who are "silly" enough to show mercy and help them.
Higgins, your empathy for these poor refugees is admirable and yes something has to be done but mass immigration is not the answer they need help in fighting back against these monsters and 99 to 1 odds sounds pretty good to me if they can be organized into a fighting unit. Retreating against these fanatics is playing into their hands. The free world needs to band together and cut the cancer out at source.
I can hear a lot of fear from those words. If the terrorists manage to put us into fear against refugees and muslims, they have won!
Our call to show mercy and help those who need our help.
That does also mean that we are doing everything to find out the 0,01%, 0,001%, 0,0001, 0,00001 that came here to harm us.
Not allowing refugees to come (with the consequences - could you live on knowing that you let 2.000.000 die because you are scared??) - even if that worked - would NOT mean that there will be NO terrorism.
A much higher danger comes from radicalisation over the internet - so consequently you have to lock down the net as a first action.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Imagine that someone is knocking at your door and is asking you for help.
When you send him back because you are afraid that he'll harm you or is abusing your helpfulness - can you look into a mirror the other day and say: "It was the right thing to do"
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Imagine that someone is knocking at your door and is asking you for help.
When you send him back because you are afraid that he'll harm you or is abusing your helpfulness - can you look into a mirror the other day and say: "It was the right thing to do"
Depends if his fellow countryman is coming with him to blow my kids to pieces and sexually assault my wife?
That's just the point isn't it, you can't possibly know.
Im hearing Hollande is insisting the slaughter of the defenceless priest in France shouldn't be classed as an attack on the church......so two radical extremist Muslims enter a Catholic Church take a nun hostage and slit the pardres throat while filming it and that's got nothing to do with religion?
That's just the point isn't it, you can't possibly know.
Yep, that's exactly the point.
Someone who's lost everything begs you to help and the question is if you do or if you slam the door because you are afraid that he is a terrorist.
More problem is, that 99,99% he's not a terrorist and really needs your help.
If you revoke, how do you feel?
Im hearing Hollande is insisting the slaughter of the defenceless priest in France shouldn't be classed as an attack on the church......so two radical extremist Muslims enter a Catholic Church take a nun hostage and slit the pardres throat while filming it and that's got nothing to do with religion?
Well the incidents from Friday should teach us not to jump on conclusions. We all thought that is was a coordinated terror attack and not a single 18year old with lots of mental issues (I know that that doesn't help his victims)
Not sure if the killing of the priest in France has anything to do with Islamic religion.
It seems that it's an extremist islamist attack from an organisation that masks their deeds with religion.
And btw, for now, I see this as the first terror attack executed by syrian refugees (jumping on conclusions here for now).
If they came to here with the intention to do that or if they radicalised themselfs recently - I don't know.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
So how would explain this to victims loved ones?
"so sorry for your loss, but please be assured you loved ones death is just collateral damage of our humanitarian efforts"
Rings a bit hollow to me!
I can pretty much assure you that most of these attacks are connected and religiously motivated along with a hatred of us and our way of life.
So how would explain this to victims loved ones?
"so sorry for your loss, but please be assured you loved ones death is just collateral damage of our humanitarian efforts"
Rings a bit hollow to me!
If it rings better to you that you let factor 1000 humans die just because you where afraid that the 0,0001% and that's ok with you?
I'd add that I'd do and have done everything in my power not to let this happen and I am sorry, that this happened just for them.
It's a sad fact, it's the risk of life and you can't be 100 save.
But not helping because you are afraid of a very unlikely but possible negative outcome is cruel.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Not really, I'm all for helping as to a large degree we are responsible for their plight, what I'm saying is helping them in their own country is the better option, safe zones will be protected, infrastructure not completely destroyed, etc etc and whole families can stay together, yes there will be terrorist attacks but isis would not openly attack a nato guarded safe zone. This would cause and effect more people to seek safety there and leave isis exposed to Full scale military offensives. Take away their human Shields and these cowards will run for the hills.
At some point the general populous of the western countries need to accept we are at war if we like it or not. This needs a handle putting on it quick or in the not to distant future there is bound to be major problems, the least of which will be Europe fracturing under extreme right wing uprisings.
From reports this might turn out to be a revenge attack against immigrants, as it was near
An Immigration centre. But it's still early reports about a suitcase full of gas cans.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
All good ideas but it will take months and years and people need our help NOW!
They do indeed and rapid response is do able, the problem persists though that you can't control security with this refugee crisis, you also can't seperate illegal economic migrants, terrorists, criminals from honest true refugees. Which is why helping them I'm their own country is becoming the only option.
No, the reality is: As long as others are taking refugees, your very own politicians do nothing in that direction and are sitting in their chairs pointing fingers at those attacks by saying' I've told you' ' I knew it'
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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If you remember Munich last week, there where stampedes and people seeing attacks everywhere.
Some people have gotten injured just because they jumped out fromsomewhere in panic.
Now imagine a crowd with many people carrying a gun and estimate the victims from ' law abiting shooters'
I for my part am happy that guns are banned here
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Really ?
"Germany's National Gun Registry introduced at the end of 2012 counted 5.5 million firearms in use, which are legally owned by 1.4 million people in the country. About 1.5 Million sport shooters in several thousand Schützenvereine own and use guns for sport, about 400,000 hunters have a licensed gun, about 300,000 collect guns and about 900,000 own an inherited gun. However, estimates of the actual guns in use go up to 45 Million. While gun ownership is widespread and associations and ranges for shooting sports and the use of historical guns and weapons in festivals are not being tabooed, the use of guns for private self-defence purposes is restricted."
My 44 and PPK came from Frankonia , Germanys biggest gun dealers.
I personally think we are seeing a coordinated attack, and this is the new isis method, it is also becoming obvious that the terrorists are using the refugee route. In my opinion those who travel to Syria for unknown or unquantifiable reasons should be intercepted and questioned on their return then expelled.
If you threaten the civil liberty of a country and it's people and wish to do harm then you've no business being there. I'm also of the opinion anyone convicted of terror charges should be imprisoned by the military for the rest of their useless lives, I'm sure theyd love a daily beasting, and cleaning the square with a toothbrush etc etc of course this isn't very pc but it's a damn site nicer than having you throat slit, being blown to bits by a nail bomb or gunned down at a concert.
That was not my point.
I was speculating, what'd happened if - like in the US - more or less everybody would be allowed to carry a firearm.
The 'collateral damage' from civillians in panic shooting on potential attackers woiuld have been immense last Friday.
From the millions of refugees that came in the last years, there where now 2 attacks that could be linked to refugees.
So you are right - this will happen but imo the major threat are people that are already living here and
a. radicalize themselfs/get radicalized over the net or by local imans*
b. people who just kind of "elevate" their crimes by referring to ISIS.
Refugees from Syria need our help and empathy and 99,99% of them are not terrorists!
Revoking them help because of 0,01% among them is just wrong!
I don't understand why in Germany Salafists are still allowed to lure people in public with their "read" capainings while they are already identified for being a thread for our consitution.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
"Safety Zones" in Syria would be the first targets for ISIS, Assad and others to attack though for example.
And these people simply don't have the time until this all is organized - they need our help NOW!
One key strategy is also not to rob people in Africa so that they are able to feed themselfs - and birth control!
The next wave of people leaving their country because they have no other choice will be from Africa - even if we managed to settle the mess in Syria, Irak, Afghanistan and with the Taliban and ISIS
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Quoting your figures: So if a country accepts 2 million refugees then 20,000 will be terrorists. if each of those terrorists go on to kill 10 people each then 200,000 innocent countrymen will die needlessly. Surely no government can accept that?
Higgins, your empathy for these poor refugees is admirable and yes something has to be done but mass immigration is not the answer they need help in fighting back against these monsters and 99 to 1 odds sounds pretty good to me if they can be organized into a fighting unit. Retreating against these fanatics is playing into their hands. The free world needs to band together and cut the cancer out at source.
Well, my numbers have been totally random. As for today, we have over 2 million refugees and from them there are 2 terrorists, who have killed one victim but themselfs (in France yesterday)
We've had terrorism before the refugee crisis (which wouldn't be one if everybody would carry their share) and will have more terrorism after its. The reasons are well known and it's ridiculous to blame those that show merci and empathy against people who have lost everything for everything which is remotely connected to muslims.
Consequently - you are asking to let 1.999.998 people die in front of your borders because 2 of them have been terrorists!
As I've said, most of those refugees need our help NOW - there is no time to wait until we've sorted this mess out in the next years and keeping them on hold is simply killing them or move them to the "stupid" who are "silly" enough to show mercy and help them.
I can hear a lot of fear from those words. If the terrorists manage to put us into fear against refugees and muslims, they have won!
Our call to show mercy and help those who need our help.
That does also mean that we are doing everything to find out the 0,01%, 0,001%, 0,0001, 0,00001 that came here to harm us.
Not allowing refugees to come (with the consequences - could you live on knowing that you let 2.000.000 die because you are scared??) - even if that worked - would NOT mean that there will be NO terrorism.
A much higher danger comes from radicalisation over the internet - so consequently you have to lock down the net as a first action.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Imagine that someone is knocking at your door and is asking you for help.
When you send him back because you are afraid that he'll harm you or is abusing your helpfulness - can you look into a mirror the other day and say: "It was the right thing to do"
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
We should listen to both. Acting with an even hand.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Im hearing Hollande is insisting the slaughter of the defenceless priest in France shouldn't be classed as an attack on the church......so two radical extremist Muslims enter a Catholic Church take a nun hostage and slit the pardres throat while filming it and that's got nothing to do with religion?
Yep, that's exactly the point.
Someone who's lost everything begs you to help and the question is if you do or if you slam the door because you are afraid that he is a terrorist.
More problem is, that 99,99% he's not a terrorist and really needs your help.
If you revoke, how do you feel?
Well the incidents from Friday should teach us not to jump on conclusions. We all thought that is was a coordinated terror attack and not a single 18year old with lots of mental issues (I know that that doesn't help his victims)
Not sure if the killing of the priest in France has anything to do with Islamic religion.
It seems that it's an extremist islamist attack from an organisation that masks their deeds with religion.
And btw, for now, I see this as the first terror attack executed by syrian refugees (jumping on conclusions here for now).
If they came to here with the intention to do that or if they radicalised themselfs recently - I don't know.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
"so sorry for your loss, but please be assured you loved ones death is just collateral damage of our humanitarian efforts"
Rings a bit hollow to me!
I can pretty much assure you that most of these attacks are connected and religiously motivated along with a hatred of us and our way of life.
I fear now though, that now its been done once this may become the next big terrorist thing to do
If it rings better to you that you let factor 1000 humans die just because you where afraid that the 0,0001% and that's ok with you?
I'd add that I'd do and have done everything in my power not to let this happen and I am sorry, that this happened just for them.
It's a sad fact, it's the risk of life and you can't be 100 save.
But not helping because you are afraid of a very unlikely but possible negative outcome is cruel.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
At some point the general populous of the western countries need to accept we are at war if we like it or not. This needs a handle putting on it quick or in the not to distant future there is bound to be major problems, the least of which will be Europe fracturing under extreme right wing uprisings.
All good ideas but it will take months and years and people need our help NOW!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Hope not serious
An Immigration centre. But it's still early reports about a suitcase full of gas cans.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!