What is hard to understand is that out of 27 members of the Eu only 5 pay in what they should but all get equal benefits... Talk about cherry picking.
What is so hard to understand about the system of solidarity??
The richer pay for the poorer for the benefit of all - it's just like London is paying for the poorer regions of the Kingdom and does not consume all money risen there.
If the Eu is all about solidarity then they will have to reach a deal on trade with Britain, or jeopardise the 6.3 million jobs across Europe that depend on trade with Britain. Fiscally equal trade levies imposes by both would damage Eu business more than Britain's, in such a case Britain is free to trade elsewhere around the globe unlike Eu members, certainly some sectors could face a double whammy if trump indeed imposes a 35% import duty on European cars.
Perhaps, but my point was how strange this news was. Imagined just a few decades ago, if we heard that the US president was anti-free trade and the leader of communist party-ruled China was pro-American trade
There appears to be an assumption Im all for brexit and Theresa May, I simply read and offer conversation on what I've read, my own leanings are just that... My own. But going into negotiations hard is the only way, the Eu will either trade with Britain fairly or they won't, for the people of Britain the Eu is painted as an all conquering behemoth and Britain a poor relation with absolutely no bargaining power and this is simply not true despite what the BBC or other one sided narratives put across, There is a lot of talk at the moment from clueless politicians who are attempting to profiteer and further their own ends. In the end Britain may suffer economicaly but not for ever.
While I agree on most (I don't find it overly nice to blackmail your negotiation partners - but whatever ) there is one weak point:
What if the UK parliament does not greenlight the negotiation results in the end??
The entire country would have made fools of themselfs - not that I don't appreciate this aspect of british humor in general
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Perhaps, but my point was how strange this news was. Imagined just a few decades ago, if we heard that the US president was anti-free trade and the leader of communist party-ruled China was pro-American trade
There appears to be an assumption Im all for brexit and Theresa May, I simply read and offer conversation on what I've read, my own leanings are just that... My own. But going into negotiations hard is the only way, the Eu will either trade with Britain fairly or they won't, for the people of Britain the Eu is painted as an all conquering behemoth and Britain a poor relation with absolutely no bargaining power and this is simply not true despite what the BBC or other one sided narratives put across, There is a lot of talk at the moment from clueless politicians who are attempting to profiteer and further their own ends. In the end Britain may suffer economicaly but not for ever.
While I agree on most (I don't find it overly nice to blackmail your negotiation partners - but whatever ) there is one weak point:
What if the UK parliament does not greenlight the negotiation results in the end??
The entire country would have made fools of themselfs - not that I don't appreciate this aspect of british humor in general
The point being that the government has said if it can't negotiate a fair deal then we will leave with no Deal, quite cleverly the government has give both Houses little choice, greenlight the deal we've negotiated or there is no Deal!
I think the problem is basic. The basis of the Union are the four freedoms: Freedom of movement for people, goods, capital and services. May wants to keep three of them, but wants no part in the fourth (Freedom of movement for people).
If the Eu is all about solidarity then they will have to reach a deal on trade with Britain, or jeopardise the 6.3 million jobs across Europe that depend on trade with Britain. Fiscally equal trade levies imposes by both would damage Eu business more than Britain's, in such a case Britain is free to trade elsewhere around the globe unlike Eu members, certainly some sectors could face a double whammy if trump indeed imposes a 35% import duty on European cars.
Well, time will tell if you are right.
I tend to the opinion, that the EU can easier compensate the loss of the UK easier than vice versa even if exports are stronger to the UK than the imports from UK.
And it's not solidarity wanting free market access and then refusing to accept the other rules - like all the others do!
It's simply going to the Countryclub and then refusing to obey to the dresscode and refusing to pay :v
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what you call a fair deal would be an unfair deal to all the other EU members.
Will not happen.
As you love to stress german carmakers. There are many countries in the world with heavy - and I mean heavy duties and taxes on foreign cars and the german car makers are still doing phantastic on these markets.
Even with 25 or 35% tax, UK and Americans will continue to buy Mercedes and Porsches.
Not sure if the same will happen with Minis, Jags and Range Rovers in Europe.
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
A fair deal will see both parties give a bit more than they'd like to admit, but all the major members of the Eu can't afford obstinacy, Of course the Eu may well rebuff Britain completely in which case it will have put its head in the noose.
what you call a fair deal would be an unfair deal to all the other EU members.
Will not happen.
As you love to stress german carmakers. There are many countries in the world with heavy - and I mean heavy duties and taxes on foreign cars and the german car makers are still doing phantastic on these markets.
Even with 25 or 35% tax, UK and Americans will continue to buy Mercedes and Porsches.
Not sure if the same will happen with Minis, Jags and Range Rovers in Europe.
I didn't stress German cars I said European. Mini is owned by BMW, jags and range rovers are owned by an Indian company and after brexit the UK where they are made becomes an export gateway to world and particularly the USA where they already enjoy a lucrative trade, once we get up to Astons, Rolls Royce and Bentleys further duties become irrelevant.
The richer pay for the poorer for the benefit of all - it's just like London is paying for the poorer regions of the Kingdom and does not consume all money risen there.
Really ?
I think you will find London doesn't give a stuff about the rest of the UK - even more so the further North you go ! X-(
I'm not sure what sir Miles is refering to when he says I have the wrong impression and things look bleak.
My point, based on one radio report, is that May's negotiation goals are over-optimistic and unrealistic.
I meant that whatever 'news source' you were quoting from was giving you a false representation as to what was actually said -{
I'm not sure what sir Miles is refering to when he says I have the wrong impression and things look bleak.
My point, based on one radio report, is that May's negotiation goals are over-optimistic and unrealistic.
I meant that whatever 'news source' you were quoting from was giving you a false representation as to what was actually said -{
It's NRK, our version of the BBC. It's a very respected news source. They're been around since the 20's and they are still respected and trusted because of their professionalism. They're showing a program on Brexit in an hour.
You see, You do know about football ! Stop putting yourself down )
I was going to do a joke about how they like to be called Maltesers, ...Sucking was to
Be in the tag line.
Oh on that level I know loads about football, it's played on a pitch in front of foul mouthed partisans with a round ball by over payed underskilled young men. And in the case of England these young men are purchased for extortionate amounts of money from around the world even places that aren't in the Eu?? to such an extent that no home grown players eligible for national playing duty ever get chance to play which has resulted in the national team being a bag of sh1te often managed by over payed greedy crooks.
How's that?
It's NRK, our version of the BBC. It's a very respected news source. They're been around since the 20's and they are still respected and trusted because of their professionalism. They're showing a program on Brexit in an hour.
While this is true, I have to stress that my first post on this thread today was after a short reports on the radio. The report was also a first report on the issue. After the program later tonight I can write with more confidence.
After watching the program on Brexit and May's speech, I have to moderate myself. May did speak of the limitations of EU market access when the UK leaves. I still think she seems overoptimistic, but time will tell.
I didn't stress German cars I said European. Mini is owned by BMW, jags and range rovers are owned by an Indian company and after brexit the UK where they are made becomes an export gateway to world and particularly the USA where they already enjoy a lucrative trade, once we get up to Astons, Rolls Royce and Bentleys further duties become irrelevant.
I'd say that every car consists of at least 50% german parts - in some other cases produced in the EU.
Think of Electrics , ABS and injectors by Bosch, interior surfaces, geartrains by ZF, bearings by Scheffler/Sachs and so on.
Bentley is basically a VW Phaeton, Rolls Royce a BMW 7 Series, Mini is on a BMW 1 platform, Aston Martin buys engines from AMG etc etc.
I say that the UK shoot themselfs in the own foot because they would not be able to subsidise many imported parts by foreign suppliers or by own industry. In the end, this would kill the remaining UK car industry.
It sounds nice "They sell us more than what we sell them, so we have the stronger lever", matter of fact is, that the UK is much more depending on imports than we are depending on exports.
Making these imports from the EU more expensive will not necessarily mean that the exporters are hit, it also means that prices in the UK will take a massive hike.
And at the end of the day, the EU market is much more important than the single UK market - so consequently, even the powerful german car industry will line up behind those who will defend the rules and advantages of the EU market against the cherry-picking from the UK side.
Blackmailing the EU with a tax-or duty-war will not bring the UK anything but worse relations to the entire EU in the end. If you want to leave the EU, leave and deal with the consequences. And please leave fast!
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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Interesting times in your neck of the woods tp, will you be voting?
While I agree on most (I don't find it overly nice to blackmail your negotiation partners - but whatever
What if the UK parliament does not greenlight the negotiation results in the end??
The entire country would have made fools of themselfs - not that I don't appreciate this aspect of british humor in general
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Well, time will tell if you are right.
I tend to the opinion, that the EU can easier compensate the loss of the UK easier than vice versa even if exports are stronger to the UK than the imports from UK.
And it's not solidarity wanting free market access and then refusing to accept the other rules - like all the others do!
It's simply going to the Countryclub and then refusing to obey to the dresscode and refusing to pay :v
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Will not happen.
As you love to stress german carmakers. There are many countries in the world with heavy - and I mean heavy duties and taxes on foreign cars and the german car makers are still doing phantastic on these markets.
Even with 25 or 35% tax, UK and Americans will continue to buy Mercedes and Porsches.
Not sure if the same will happen with Minis, Jags and Range Rovers in Europe.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
It's just like Malta playing against your National team - or better ours
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Good man
Really ?
I think you will find London doesn't give a stuff about the rest of the UK - even more so the further North you go ! X-(
I was going to do a joke about how they like to be called Maltesers, ...Sucking was to
Be in the tag line.
I meant that whatever 'news source' you were quoting from was giving you a false representation as to what was actually said -{
How's that?
While this is true, I have to stress that my first post on this thread today was after a short reports on the radio. The report was also a first report on the issue. After the program later tonight I can write with more confidence.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
This is true!
I'd say that every car consists of at least 50% german parts - in some other cases produced in the EU.
Think of Electrics , ABS and injectors by Bosch, interior surfaces, geartrains by ZF, bearings by Scheffler/Sachs and so on.
Bentley is basically a VW Phaeton, Rolls Royce a BMW 7 Series, Mini is on a BMW 1 platform, Aston Martin buys engines from AMG etc etc.
I say that the UK shoot themselfs in the own foot because they would not be able to subsidise many imported parts by foreign suppliers or by own industry. In the end, this would kill the remaining UK car industry.
It sounds nice "They sell us more than what we sell them, so we have the stronger lever", matter of fact is, that the UK is much more depending on imports than we are depending on exports.
Making these imports from the EU more expensive will not necessarily mean that the exporters are hit, it also means that prices in the UK will take a massive hike.
And at the end of the day, the EU market is much more important than the single UK market - so consequently, even the powerful german car industry will line up behind those who will defend the rules and advantages of the EU market against the cherry-picking from the UK side.
Blackmailing the EU with a tax-or duty-war will not bring the UK anything but worse relations to the entire EU in the end. If you want to leave the EU, leave and deal with the consequences. And please leave fast!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
That still means that funds are transfered from London to the other parts of the country.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I'd take issue with that slightly...London cares about London - end of.