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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    Boris has as many haters as fans.


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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    Higgins wrote:
    Just another example how self-centred UK politics are:

    She waited until the EU parliament elections were over in her own country for her resignation announcement, but did not bother to wait until the end of the EU elections in the other 26 countries......

    What makes you think that the timing was totally Mrs May's decision?
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    Mrs May's retirement already planned out:

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :)) plenty of time for walking holidays now.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :)) plenty of time for walking holidays now.
    And running through barley fields
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Higgins wrote:
    Just another example how self-centred UK politics are:

    She waited until the EU parliament elections were over in her own country for her resignation announcement, but did not bother to wait until the end of the EU elections in the other 26 countries......

    What makes you think that the timing was totally Mrs May's decision?

    Mrs May was a busted flush as of yesterday, she had no choice n this matter.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :D I was talking to a mate yesterday about that, and I
    Said how shocking it would have been if she'd said ...
    ... " One summer on a drink and drug fuelled binge ..
    ..... I murdered a prostitute !"
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    I understand Boris Johnson is the most popular candidate in polls to be the next PM. The good news is he has a better chance than May to get UK out of EU soon. The bad news is that the reason is that he's willing to pull Britain out of the Union without any deal.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    No Pm would get a no deal Brexit through the house.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    Does it have to og through the House? If the EU get sick and tired of British demands, can they just say "you're out"? Especially if the PM and large paerts of the population doesn't mind a no deal Brexit?
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Does it have to og through the House? If the EU get sick and tired of British demands, can they just say "you're out"? Especially if the PM and large paerts of the population doesn't mind a no deal Brexit?

    Yes, it does have to go through Parliament as a result of the court case on Brexit which ruled that Parliament had a role in the process and it could not be bypassed by the prime minister using royal prerogative powers to get Brexit through with no recourse to Parliament.

    That is the complicating factor to the No Deal scenario. And it's also a misnomer anyway as there would have to be separate individual deals on all of the issues anyway and they would most likely add up to one giant bad deal.
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    I've just read Boris Johnson's bio on wikipedia, the fountain of all wisdom. I get the impression Boris doesn't have the moral backbone Theresa May, in spite of her other faults, seems to have. He was a pioneer in the field of fake news, for example.
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I've just read Boris Johnson's bio on wikipedia, the fountain of all wisdom. I get the impression Boris doesn't have the moral backbone Theresa May, in spite of her other faults, seems to have. He was a pioneer in the field of fake news, for example.

    And he's had several affairs of course and is in the process of divorcing his wife and selling the family home for over £3 million. He remains very popular with the Tory grassroots, however, so he is one to watch for the leadership, even though he didn't fare very well the last time there was a vacancy in 2016.
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I've just read Boris Johnson's bio on wikipedia, the fountain of all wisdom. I get the impression Boris doesn't have the moral backbone Theresa May, in spite of her other faults, seems to have. He was a pioneer in the field of fake news, for example.

    And he's had several affairs of course and is in the process of divorcing his wife and selling the family home for over £3 million. He remains very popular with the Tory grassroots, however, so he is one to watch for the leadership, even though he didn't fare very well the last time there was a vacancy in 2016.

    I seem to remebering Boris pretended to back someone else to be PM, but secretly worked to become PM himself in 2016. He is morally flexible.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    He's a politician, so obviously his morals are flexible :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    As Einstein liked to say: Everything is relevant …. I mean relative.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    I've just read Boris Johnson's bio on wikipedia, the fountain of all wisdom. I get the impression Boris doesn't have the moral backbone Theresa May, in spite of her other faults, seems to have. He was a pioneer in the field of fake news, for example.

    And he's had several affairs of course and is in the process of divorcing his wife and selling the family home for over £3 million. He remains very popular with the Tory grassroots, however, so he is one to watch for the leadership, even though he didn't fare very well the last time there was a vacancy in 2016.

    I seem to remebering Boris pretended to back someone else to be PM, but secretly worked to become PM himself in 2016. He is morally flexible.

    Other way round, Boris was running for the top job with Gove as his backer, Hove then decided to withdraw his backing and run himself so ending Johnson leadership campaign, Johnson ruled himself out of the running.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Number24 wrote:

    And he's had several affairs of course and is in the process of divorcing his wife and selling the family home for over £3 million. He remains very popular with the Tory grassroots, however, so he is one to watch for the leadership, even though he didn't fare very well the last time there was a vacancy in 2016.

    I seem to remebering Boris pretended to back someone else to be PM, but secretly worked to become PM himself in 2016. He is morally flexible.

    Other way round, Boris was running for the top job with Gove as his backer, Hove then decided to withdraw his backing and run himself so ending Johnson leadership campaign, Johnson ruled himself out of the running.

    Yes, and if Gove hadn't stabbed Boris in the back perhaps Brexit would have turned out very differently with a Brexiteer at the helm instead of a Remainer like May. It's just one reason why I wouldn't support Gove for the leadership if he intends to run this time as well (he came third behind Andrea Leadsom and May last time). In any event, Boris may get a second bite at the cherry, despite Gove's vaunting personal ambition and duplicity last time around. Et tu, Brute indeed.
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    A news report I just heard said that if the results of the EU election were repeated in a general election, then Nigel Farage would be PM and the Conservatives wouldn't have a single seat. Got to take the rough with the smooth, I suppose (I'm not entirely serious before anyone starts shouting).
    Here in Scotland, the SNP would still be in charge, with the LibDems as the opposition.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    It will be interesting to see how this will continue.

    Will Corbyn be stabbed for the bad results?
    For sure one of May's successors will try to blackmail the EU to further concessions and I predict that this will not be successful because that would be against their red lines and the negotiation position is not too well knowing that a parliament will vote against a Hard Brexit.
    Will there be new elections which will equal to political suicide for Conservatives and Labour?

    Or will a new PM try to scaremonger the EU by writing a Brexit Party PM on the wall and try to gain some leverage?

    Anyhow imo the UK will Hard Brexit in October and that's what I was hoping for for many months now.
    We'll see if the experts or the populists were right in the prediction of the consequences.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    As a general remark I am pleased to see a higher voter turnout compared to the last years.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    As expected the far right parties did well in many countries, France is an example. The conservative and social democratic parties took a beating, but green and liberal (doesn't mean quite the same as in the US) parties did well. The far right will probably not get the power they hoped if the old mainstream parties manage to co-operate with the greens and liberals.
    I found the results in the Nordic countries interesting. In Denmark, where most mainstream have gone far in adopting or at least adjust their immigrant politics to the far-right DF, the DF lost 3 out of four seats. In Sweden, where until recently only the far-right SD even talked about problems regarding immigration, the SD did well.


    A question about the UK: Is it possible the Tories and Labour try really hard to make a deal on Brexit to avoid a real disaster for both parties in the next national election?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    At least with the vote for the Brexit party we won't
    Hear the cry of " They didn't know what they were
    Voting for " anymore ? :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    Number24 wrote:

    A question about the UK: Is it possible the Tories and Labour try really hard to make a deal on Brexit to avoid a real disaster for both parties in the next national election?

    They tried exactly that recently and didn't succeed.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    Yes, but this election should motivate them more.

    I found this article (with lots of charts) helpfull. Perhaps the greatest surprise to me is that the voter turnout in the UK hasn't changed much since last election.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48417191
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    I don't think that Tories and Labour will team up to get a Brexit deal.
    I find it more likely that a new PM will go for a Hard Brexit and try to win over some of the MPs who were against it so far.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    In Germany's 10 largest Cities, 9 have a relative majority for the Green Party.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    I don't think that Tories and Labour will team up to get a Brexit deal.
    I find it more likely that a new PM will go for a Hard Brexit and try to win over some of the MPs who were against it so far.

    I think so too, but the Tories and Labour must know not pulling off Brexit will be a disaster at the ballot box in the next election.
  • writingsonthewallwritingsonthewall SpainPosts: 425MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    In Germany's 10 largest Cities, 9 have a relative majority for the Green Party.

    Congrats on that (I guess?)!

    Spain saw a clear victory of the socialist party in the European elections tarnished by many cities being open for the conservatives with a little help from the fascists-in-spirit-if-not-yet-in-actions (which the former have declared to be perfectly happy with).
    "Enjoy it while it lasts."
    "The very words I live by."
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Higgins wrote:
    I don't think that Tories and Labour will team up to get a Brexit deal.
    I find it more likely that a new PM will go for a Hard Brexit and try to win over some of the MPs who were against it so far.

    I think so too, but the Tories and Labour must know not pulling off Brexit will be a disaster at the ballot box in the next election.

    I think it will be a disaster at the ballot box at the next general election unless the Conservatives pull off Brexit, then have sufficient time to get back to running the country properly - highly unlikely as it is. I’m also pretty sure it will be disastrous for Labour too it Corbyn is still at the helm.
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