How the hell did we get from that to a laughing stock on the world stage? The EU was not blameless with its rules and interference over the decades. But this has been of our own making the result of under estimation by consecutive leaders in the last decade. Trusting too much in their own hype, seeing small victories as major wins and misreading the will of the people.
It will come to an end one way or the other, but we will be left with a polarised and divided nation for decades to come because there will be winners and losers no matter the end result with each side blaming the other.
Just goes to show democracy at its best or worse depending on which side of the fence you sit.
As a wise man once said you only ever put the vote to the people if you are certain you will win (fundamentally floored if you are not in touch with your people in the first place)
I have met enough MP’s to know the vast majority whilst starting down the path for the right reasons soon realise their only value to the party is that they win a seat - and in most cases they are prepared to sell their granny to win. 21 this week (some of the most informed) stood by their principles and paid the price interesting times ahead, grab a chair, pour yourself a long drink and enjoy.
Power corrupts and ultimate power ultimately corrupts.
Finally history teaches us almost every political career ends in failure ask any UK Prime Minister of the last century!
Bring on the next Bond film as a welcome distraction )
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
I have the odd feeling that everything is running to plan for Johnson.
He streamlines the Tories to a Brexit Party and is knocking out the parliament.
His goal is to win the upcoming elections (whenever that will be) with a populist and national agenda ( sounds familiar?) after he has sharply divided the political landscape into two blocks and by fishing then in Labour territory for people (and there are many , including myself) who don‘t like Corbyn and are (unlike me) Pro-Bexit.
Presently I think, he‘s very happy how things go and it‘s a shame that Labour does not have a good candidate because Johnson‘s plan is founded on Corbyn‘s weaknesses.
And it‘s a huge gamble.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
(Whispers) Maybe you should have referendum about more fun issues?
- Legalisation of canabis during Christmas hollidays?
- Rebuild Hadrian's Wall - and Scottland will pay for it!
- Get rid of Trident and replace it with a new Tuning Fork. (suggestion from The Monster Raving Loony Party)
Ssshh.... (I'm in Scotland, Nicola might hear you)
Oh I'm quite confident you'll get another "once in a lifetime" referendum quite soon, it's de rigueur to completely ignore a referendum result of it doesn't suit your own personal political ambitions. At least Sturgeon is consistent in wanting an independent Scotland free from being part of any union! Oh hang on )
Imo another scottish independence referendum is legitimate.
The last one was based on the fact that the UK are member of the EU and that was a central consideration.
If that changes, I don‘t think that ‚ignore the result because it doesn‘t suit your ambitions‘ really hits it.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
My expectation is Boris calls an election and loses, there no clear majority in government so a coalition is created as there is no other viable leader (mediocrity rules for another 5 years) and the EU lose patience and boots us out on the 31 Oct 19.
Thank god normal order will be restored and we can all get on with cleaning up the mess.
EU do us all a favour and boot us out and stop this circus!
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
I don't think the eu would boot us out, especially as leaders on the continent are answerable to their own voting citizens, but moreover while the mps in Parliament are doing such a good job of stopping Brexit happening at all. With mps prepared to ignore the voters who put them in the house and play party politics, an opposition who chop and change their direction on whether they want a brexit or not, a dithering Corbyn who has now completed 2 u turns (be is on film urging for a referendum to Leave the EU) and a Speaker of the house who is prepared to go to any lengths (including extreme double standards and ignoring his own past precedence) any Government would struggle to make progress. Let's not forget these same Mps voted to trigger article 50 and by doing so entrenched into legitimate law that the UK would leave the EU with or without a deal, they also voted down a withdrawal agreement 3 times that allowed us to leave with a deal (all 3 times Labour leadership threatened to remove the whop from any who didn't tow the party line) the opposition did this purely to defeat the government, so now we have this utter debacle of an unrepresentative house of commons dictating what happens.
The facts are clear, more voters voted Conservative at the last General election (and they are still the biggest party in the house) which gives them a mandate to govern, more people also voted to leave the EU which gives the governing party a mandate to deliver the referendum result.
They might as well. It's already turned into a farce. X-(
Very true, I was listening to one of the uks top political academics and experts this morning, amongst other things he was saying what a terrible piece of legislation the fixed term bill is, and that perogation was completely legitimate for a new session. Most interesting was his opinion that parliamentary rules need to be overhauled and rewritten if its ever to function properly again. His take on the current situation is that even though he supports remaining, it's completely unacceptable to have this situation where a government is essentially straight jacketed.
It was either that.....or the priesthood
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My expectation is Boris calls an election and loses, there no clear majority in government so a coalition is created as there is no other viable leader…
There is a better than fair chance the Brexit Party will run and win enough seats to prop the Tories up… but who leads…?…Johnson or Farage?
Old Boris has done a sterling job since taking over though…he’s already wiped out his majority in a matter of a fortnight - and buggerd up his family ) Oh, and the Tories are going to borrow billions to bail themselves out…exactly what they complained about when Labour were in power )
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He proposes snap election.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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How the hell did we get from that to a laughing stock on the world stage? The EU was not blameless with its rules and interference over the decades. But this has been of our own making the result of under estimation by consecutive leaders in the last decade. Trusting too much in their own hype, seeing small victories as major wins and misreading the will of the people.
It will come to an end one way or the other, but we will be left with a polarised and divided nation for decades to come because there will be winners and losers no matter the end result with each side blaming the other.
Just goes to show democracy at its best or worse depending on which side of the fence you sit.
As a wise man once said you only ever put the vote to the people if you are certain you will win (fundamentally floored if you are not in touch with your people in the first place)
I have met enough MP’s to know the vast majority whilst starting down the path for the right reasons soon realise their only value to the party is that they win a seat - and in most cases they are prepared to sell their granny to win. 21 this week (some of the most informed) stood by their principles and paid the price interesting times ahead, grab a chair, pour yourself a long drink and enjoy.
Power corrupts and ultimate power ultimately corrupts.
Finally history teaches us almost every political career ends in failure ask any UK Prime Minister of the last century!
Bring on the next Bond film as a welcome distraction
Cheers :007)
I think Britains's situation is bad and Boris Johnson is a bad PM, but I think the US is far worse off politically.
He streamlines the Tories to a Brexit Party and is knocking out the parliament.
His goal is to win the upcoming elections (whenever that will be) with a populist and national agenda ( sounds familiar?) after he has sharply divided the political landscape into two blocks and by fishing then in Labour territory for people (and there are many , including myself) who don‘t like Corbyn and are (unlike me) Pro-Bexit.
Presently I think, he‘s very happy how things go and it‘s a shame that Labour does not have a good candidate because Johnson‘s plan is founded on Corbyn‘s weaknesses.
And it‘s a huge gamble.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
- Legalisation of canabis during Christmas hollidays?
- Rebuild Hadrian's Wall - and Scottland will pay for it!
- Get rid of Trident and replace it with a new Tuning Fork. (suggestion from The Monster Raving Loony Party)
The last one was based on the fact that the UK are member of the EU and that was a central consideration.
If that changes, I don‘t think that ‚ignore the result because it doesn‘t suit your ambitions‘ really hits it.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Thank god normal order will be restored and we can all get on with cleaning up the mess.
EU do us all a favour and boot us out and stop this circus!
Cheers :007)
The facts are clear, more voters voted Conservative at the last General election (and they are still the biggest party in the house) which gives them a mandate to govern, more people also voted to leave the EU which gives the governing party a mandate to deliver the referendum result.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Nearly as funny as "this coffee smells like sh1t" "it is sh1t Austin!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRt2_OLY3Ho
They might as well. It's already turned into a farce. X-(
Very true, I was listening to one of the uks top political academics and experts this morning, amongst other things he was saying what a terrible piece of legislation the fixed term bill is, and that perogation was completely legitimate for a new session. Most interesting was his opinion that parliamentary rules need to be overhauled and rewritten if its ever to function properly again. His take on the current situation is that even though he supports remaining, it's completely unacceptable to have this situation where a government is essentially straight jacketed.
There is a better than fair chance the Brexit Party will run and win enough seats to prop the Tories up… but who leads…?…Johnson or Farage?
Old Boris has done a sterling job since taking over though…he’s already wiped out his majority in a matter of a fortnight - and buggerd up his family