As I said time and time again, the main reason for the Bond films making less and less since MR was the declining interest in Bond in the eighties. That had little to do with Dalton, no matter who would have played Bond in 1987 and 1989, the result would have been the same.
and suddenly like Jack In the Box, the interest spiked up with GE?
After 7!!! years?
It would be logic that after 7 years of absence, the interest would have even cooled down more!
And it had nothing to do with the main actor?
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Don't get me wrong, decline in interest during the decade also played a part. As much as I love four out of the five films released in the 80's, how many are fondly remembered by people? Everybody knows about the Connery films of the 60s, the Moore films of the 70s....Bond had become, to the average viewer, tired by the 80s.
Are you putting that much energy in a positive opinion about something Bond as well or are you just grumpy all the time because Agatha beats you regularly at Bridge?
Oh, it's just the glorification of Dalton with outrageous explanations that gets me started.
We are seeing this regularly and it doesn't get less annoying to me
I accepted all other actors and have a long record defending Roger Moore and his take. There is a lot of beauty in his movies and it's not only his Bond girls
And I have no problem losing bridge against Agatha, if I'd lose against our unwanted visitor in the guesthouse, that'd drive me nuts!
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
The only glorification going on with Bond fans in my humble opinion is about Daniel "as good as Connery 8-) " Craig and bloody Skyfall.
That's not as bad as those who claim he's better than Connery. Even Roger Moore has shown more range as Bond than Craig has. Craig has helped me better appreciate all of the other Bonds. Craig's popularity will surely go down once there's a new Bond. I haven't forgotten how popular Brosnan was at the time he was Bond.
I've not forgotten how well received Brosnan was and as I was an extra for 2 days in Hamburg, he's been around a lot and I can only say the best of him.
I grew up with Sir Roger and Connery leaves me relatively cold. I mean, Dalton really annoys me - Connery only leaves me cold
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
The only glorification going on with Bond fans in my humble opinion is about Daniel "as good as Connery 8-) " Craig and bloody Skyfall.
That's not as bad as those who claim he's better than Connery. Even Roger Moore has shown more range as Bond than Craig has. Craig has helped me better appreciate all of the other Bonds. Craig's popularity will surely go down once there's a new Bond. I haven't forgotten how popular Brosnan was at the time he was Bond.
I've not forgotten how well received Brosnan was and as I was an extra for 2 days in Hamburg, he's been around a lot and I can only say the best of him.
I grew up with Sir Roger and Connery leaves me relatively cold. I mean, Dalton really annoys me - Connery only leaves me cold
Moore is my man and I'm will always be. I can see how Dalton annoys you, but he doesn't annoy me. Craig's emotionless delivery is what leaves me cold. And the fact that a James Bond can leave me cold annoys me!
I love all five Bond actors, Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan almost equally with Dalton being the clear favourite of mine.
So Craig doesn't even count as a Bond actor to you?
Overall Craig doesn't do much for me. He is not much of an actor imo, he is good at physical stuff, running, sweating, looking exhausted or just have his one facial expression. There are traces of great acting in all of the films in some few scenes.
He hasn't been a proper Bond until SPECTRE and there only because he finally didn't try to be Connery anymore at which he failes miserably but evoked the best of Moore and Brosnan, that worked much better in his favour and I like Craig overall quite a bit in SPECTRE.
Having said that, both CR and SP are in my upper half of the ranking. SPECTRE is the first real 100% Bond film of the current era and I loved it from start to finish. It's my No 7 in my ranking, CR is No 12. CR not because of Craig, but because the film is beautifully shot and directed, the story holds up, at least to before Venice. The ensemble cast saves Craig imo.
QOS and SF are on the bottom.
I am not really partial to any actor, Dalton was my first and therefore he always will be "my Bond".
For me the films are what count. In my Top 7 all 6 actors are represented.
OHMSS
GE
TLD
TSWLM
GF
DN
SP
same for the bottom 6 of my ranking which is made of 4 Bond actors. Connery, Moore, Brosnan, Craig
Don't get me wrong, decline in interest during the decade also played a part. As much as I love four out of the five films released in the 80's, how many are fondly remembered by people? Everybody knows about the Connery films of the 60s, the Moore films of the 70s....Bond had become, to the average viewer, tired by the 80s.
100% agreed {[]
The films people remember are the uber-entertaining ones, the ones that generate the "feeling" that Bond is what they want him to be. Whether us fans like that or not.
The tone from AVTAK onwards was not what general audiences wanted. While the 80s films have tight plots, good acting and good storytelling, they fail to deliver the expectation that Bond is super-human and fully entertaining. OP delivered the best result in the US market for all the 80s films, why? Because it was fun, an adventure.
The decline was generated by competition, the tiredness (as you say MF), the hard/harsh direction and Dalton being the wrong choice. But then again, the decline may have just been inevitable with 30 years of continual films...
The films people remember are the uber-entertaining ones, the ones that generate the "feeling" that Bond is what they want him to be. Whether us fans like that or not.
The tone from AVTAK onwards was not what general audiences wanted.... decline may have just been inevitable with 30 years of continual films...
TLD's relative lack of box office success was a combination of the tone, as you rightly point out Heartbroken_mr_drax, plus John Glen's increasingly pedestrian direction, formulaic plots, and - imo - weaknesses in the way Dalton was portrayed and in his slightly 'thespian' acting.
As Fleming pointed out, Bond is what every man would like to be. I didn't get that from Dalton. The PTS of TLD was fantastic - brilliant introduction to the new Bond - but it was not backed up enough by the rest of the film. It wasn't until Goldeneye that I started grinning like a buffoon again (my normal resting face) and I left the cinema wanting to be Bond again - surely down to Campbell's direction and Brosnan's charm.
The films people remember are the uber-entertaining ones, the ones that generate the "feeling" that Bond is what they want him to be. Whether us fans like that or not.
The tone from AVTAK onwards was not what general audiences wanted.... decline may have just been inevitable with 30 years of continual films...
TLD's relative lack of box office success was a combination of the tone, as you rightly point out Heartbroken_mr_drax, plus John Glen's increasingly pedestrian direction, formulaic plots, and - imo - weaknesses in the way Dalton was portrayed and in his slightly 'thespian' acting.
As Fleming pointed out, Bond is what every man would like to be. I didn't get that from Dalton. The PTS of TLD was fantastic - brilliant introduction to the new Bond - but it was not backed up enough by the rest of the film. It wasn't until Goldeneye that I started grinning like a buffoon again (my normal resting face) and I left the cinema wanting to be Bond again - surely down to Campbell's direction and Brosnan's charm.
I can agree with that in general. But not everyone feels the same. Dalton was quite popular as Bond in my high school and college years. I believe my generation embraced him and welcomed him with open arms.
After TLD I wanted to be HIM. He was my new hero and idol. LTK though, didn't do much to enforce that, but it certainly didn't stop it either.
Brosnan of course was a real game changer in GoldenEye, something that hasn't been achieved since and probably only will again with a new 7th Bond actor. Hopefully.
And this goes to prove that you can't please all the people all the time because in my opinion Brosnan is the worst Bond of all - to me he looked like he was PRETENDING to be Bond.
Dalton is superb though -{ -{ -{
Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.
And this goes to prove that you can't please all the people all the time because in my opinion Brosnan is the worst Bond of all - to me he looked like he was PRETENDING to be Bond.
Dalton is superb though -{ -{ -{
Tastes differ and thankfully so.
What you feel about Brosnan I feel about Craig
I'm happy Dalton gets so much love on this forum -{ -{ (looking at you @Higgins))
I've enjoyed the tenure of all the Bond actors.
With three in particular ( only my opinion ) standing
Out as Bringing the literary Bond to the screen.
Connery, Craig and Dalton. -{ Moore stands out as he
Took the character and changed it to suit his own style.
Sadly Lazenby did a great job but with only one film, It's
Difficult to really judge him.
Brosnan, I find a light weight actor, but with Bond I do
Think he brought his A game, giving his best, but was let
Down with some bad scripts.
Although given my mood. I can easily watch Moonraker
Followed by QOS
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
And this goes to prove that you can't please all the people all the time because in my opinion Brosnan is the worst Bond of all - to me he looked like he was PRETENDING to be Bond.
Dalton is superb though -{ -{ -{
Tastes differ and thankfully so.
What you feel about Brosnan I feel about Craig
I'm happy Dalton gets so much love on this forum -{ -{ (looking at you @Higgins))
TLD is my 4th favourite film and despite LTK's uneven tone - I rate Dalton better than Craig. I admire his performance in LTK and I love his performance in TLD. He's also very handsome in TLD, has great chemistry with Kara and just fits in with the Moore transition style well.
The films people remember are the uber-entertaining ones, the ones that generate the "feeling" that Bond is what they want him to be. Whether us fans like that or not.
The tone from AVTAK onwards was not what general audiences wanted.... decline may have just been inevitable with 30 years of continual films...
TLD's relative lack of box office success was a combination of the tone, as you rightly point out Heartbroken_mr_drax, plus John Glen's increasingly pedestrian direction, formulaic plots, and - imo - weaknesses in the way Dalton was portrayed and in his slightly 'thespian' acting.
As Fleming pointed out, Bond is what every man would like to be. I didn't get that from Dalton. The PTS of TLD was fantastic - brilliant introduction to the new Bond - but it was not backed up enough by the rest of the film. It wasn't until Goldeneye that I started grinning like a buffoon again (my normal resting face) and I left the cinema wanting to be Bond again - surely down to Campbell's direction and Brosnan's charm.
Have to agree with this. Dalton probably portrayed Bond the way Fleming described him in the books in the best way. However, that does not necesarrily work that well on the big screen, at least not for the mass audience.
I do respect Dalton's portrayal of Bond, because of his faithful adaptation to the literally Bond. At the same time, I do prefer Connery's and Brosnans portrayal; as you said, these are the Bond's you wanted to be. They oozed charm, class, sexiness... basically everything I am lacking )
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and suddenly like Jack In the Box, the interest spiked up with GE?
After 7!!! years?
It would be logic that after 7 years of absence, the interest would have even cooled down more!
And it had nothing to do with the main actor?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
We are seeing this regularly and it doesn't get less annoying to me
I accepted all other actors and have a long record defending Roger Moore and his take. There is a lot of beauty in his movies and it's not only his Bond girls
And I have no problem losing bridge against Agatha, if I'd lose against our unwanted visitor in the guesthouse, that'd drive me nuts!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
The only glorification going on with Bond fans in my humble opinion is about Daniel "as good as Connery 8-) " Craig and bloody Skyfall.
unless you are wearing short pants??
Craig is better than Connery
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
That's not as bad as those who claim he's better than Connery. Even Roger Moore has shown more range as Bond than Craig has. Craig has helped me better appreciate all of the other Bonds. Craig's popularity will surely go down once there's a new Bond. I haven't forgotten how popular Brosnan was at the time he was Bond.
I was just throwing something in the fan, Matt
I've not forgotten how well received Brosnan was and as I was an extra for 2 days in Hamburg, he's been around a lot and I can only say the best of him.
I grew up with Sir Roger and Connery leaves me relatively cold. I mean, Dalton really annoys me - Connery only leaves me cold
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
+1
Moore is my man and I'm will always be. I can see how Dalton annoys you, but he doesn't annoy me. Craig's emotionless delivery is what leaves me cold. And the fact that a James Bond can leave me cold annoys me!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
So Craig doesn't even count as a Bond actor to you?
Since you're a fan of Craig, I see you don't like your Bonds showing much emotion.
Overall Craig doesn't do much for me. He is not much of an actor imo, he is good at physical stuff, running, sweating, looking exhausted or just have his one facial expression. There are traces of great acting in all of the films in some few scenes.
He hasn't been a proper Bond until SPECTRE and there only because he finally didn't try to be Connery anymore at which he failes miserably but evoked the best of Moore and Brosnan, that worked much better in his favour and I like Craig overall quite a bit in SPECTRE.
Having said that, both CR and SP are in my upper half of the ranking. SPECTRE is the first real 100% Bond film of the current era and I loved it from start to finish. It's my No 7 in my ranking, CR is No 12. CR not because of Craig, but because the film is beautifully shot and directed, the story holds up, at least to before Venice. The ensemble cast saves Craig imo.
QOS and SF are on the bottom.
I am not really partial to any actor, Dalton was my first and therefore he always will be "my Bond".
For me the films are what count. In my Top 7 all 6 actors are represented.
OHMSS
GE
TLD
TSWLM
GF
DN
SP
same for the bottom 6 of my ranking which is made of 4 Bond actors. Connery, Moore, Brosnan, Craig
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
100% agreed {[]
The films people remember are the uber-entertaining ones, the ones that generate the "feeling" that Bond is what they want him to be. Whether us fans like that or not.
The tone from AVTAK onwards was not what general audiences wanted. While the 80s films have tight plots, good acting and good storytelling, they fail to deliver the expectation that Bond is super-human and fully entertaining. OP delivered the best result in the US market for all the 80s films, why? Because it was fun, an adventure.
The decline was generated by competition, the tiredness (as you say MF), the hard/harsh direction and Dalton being the wrong choice. But then again, the decline may have just been inevitable with 30 years of continual films...
"Better make that two."
TLD's relative lack of box office success was a combination of the tone, as you rightly point out Heartbroken_mr_drax, plus John Glen's increasingly pedestrian direction, formulaic plots, and - imo - weaknesses in the way Dalton was portrayed and in his slightly 'thespian' acting.
As Fleming pointed out, Bond is what every man would like to be. I didn't get that from Dalton. The PTS of TLD was fantastic - brilliant introduction to the new Bond - but it was not backed up enough by the rest of the film. It wasn't until Goldeneye that I started grinning like a buffoon again (my normal resting face) and I left the cinema wanting to be Bond again - surely down to Campbell's direction and Brosnan's charm.
I can agree with that in general. But not everyone feels the same. Dalton was quite popular as Bond in my high school and college years. I believe my generation embraced him and welcomed him with open arms.
After TLD I wanted to be HIM. He was my new hero and idol. LTK though, didn't do much to enforce that, but it certainly didn't stop it either.
Brosnan of course was a real game changer in GoldenEye, something that hasn't been achieved since and probably only will again with a new 7th Bond actor. Hopefully.
Dalton is superb though -{ -{ -{
Tastes differ and thankfully so.
What you feel about Brosnan I feel about Craig
I'm happy Dalton gets so much love on this forum -{ -{ (looking at you @Higgins)
With three in particular ( only my opinion ) standing
Out as Bringing the literary Bond to the screen.
Connery, Craig and Dalton. -{ Moore stands out as he
Took the character and changed it to suit his own style.
Sadly Lazenby did a great job but with only one film, It's
Difficult to really judge him.
Brosnan, I find a light weight actor, but with Bond I do
Think he brought his A game, giving his best, but was let
Down with some bad scripts.
Although given my mood. I can easily watch Moonraker
Followed by QOS
TLD is my 4th favourite film and despite LTK's uneven tone - I rate Dalton better than Craig. I admire his performance in LTK and I love his performance in TLD. He's also very handsome in TLD, has great chemistry with Kara and just fits in with the Moore transition style well.
"Better make that two."
Have to agree with this. Dalton probably portrayed Bond the way Fleming described him in the books in the best way. However, that does not necesarrily work that well on the big screen, at least not for the mass audience.
I do respect Dalton's portrayal of Bond, because of his faithful adaptation to the literally Bond. At the same time, I do prefer Connery's and Brosnans portrayal; as you said, these are the Bond's you wanted to be. They oozed charm, class, sexiness... basically everything I am lacking
1. Connery 2. Craig 3. Brosnan 4. Dalton 5. Lazenby 6. Moore
---> casual audiences
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Are you entering into a 'mass' debate, Higgy?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!