Slagging off the Bond films phenomenon ?
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I often wondered why, ( it seems to come in waves) the need from some fans to look for
Faults etc. In the films they supposedly love. I know the Bond films aren't "High art" but it
Seems a very odd phenomenon ( to me at least), it's like falling in love and then listing all
The little skin blemishes, Moles or wrinkles on the face of your partner
Personally I do think it has a link with the need in some to appear intellectual, or at least
More knowledgeable in movies than the rest of us mortals. Any thoughts or, indeed could
Someone explain the thinking behind it, as I'm genuinely curious.
I can't imagine say a football fan of any team. Regularly getting together to say how bad
Their team is/was , as why would you be a supporter, why not follow a different team ?
To quote a certain cat loving villain " Most odd " or is it a fan's version of self harming ?
Faults etc. In the films they supposedly love. I know the Bond films aren't "High art" but it
Seems a very odd phenomenon ( to me at least), it's like falling in love and then listing all
The little skin blemishes, Moles or wrinkles on the face of your partner
Personally I do think it has a link with the need in some to appear intellectual, or at least
More knowledgeable in movies than the rest of us mortals. Any thoughts or, indeed could
Someone explain the thinking behind it, as I'm genuinely curious.
I can't imagine say a football fan of any team. Regularly getting together to say how bad
Their team is/was , as why would you be a supporter, why not follow a different team ?
To quote a certain cat loving villain " Most odd " or is it a fan's version of self harming ?
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
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In those days I had stary ideas of ending up an actor, possibly tv presenter - and film critic!
I share this milestone, because in those days, everyone and their cousin was chasing or getting pushed towards media film or theatrical courses. Since then we have had reality tv, social media and half a dozen other technological advances that make it easy for everyone to become an armchair critic.
Added to that, we seem to be living in an age where its lazy and easy - worse fashionabe - to criticise and denegrate. Again I blame reality tv for introducing this as a shock ractic, which others then use for their own benefit.
Are the Bond films perfect? No Thank God. Its one of the reasons I love them. (Except CR-67!)
I think a lot of people jump on the bandwagon when certain members make negative posts and mob bashing becomes apparent. I love all things bond, I've never been disappointed by a bond film yet., certain aspects yes but never in its entirety. It foes happen with football aswell, there is nothing worse than a football fan whose team are playing crap slagging them off.
I enjoy spirited debate but I don't like derision and outright bloody mindedness. If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.
I do think there is a big difference between saying that a certain movie isn't your favourite and what you don't like about it and having a reasonable discussion about it with other fans and being blatantly dismissive about someone else's opinion. That is why I never understand the sometimes fierce discussions on this forums about something that, when you look at it, boils down to nothing more than different opinions about something that, in the grand scheme of things, doesn’t matter at all.
There are movies that I like less than others, there are Bonds I like better than others but for each and every one of us there is something about this movie/book series that unites us as that 0.001% of people that take the time to discuss the series among each other.
Now, let’s all join hands, sing Goldfinger from the top of our lungs and agree that Roger Moore is the only real James Bond and that Goldfinger is overrated.
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but then I would definitely count a need to appear intellectual among my many vices
"- That is something to be afraid of."
Those that can. Do
Those that have. Teach
Those that can't. Critique
As a proud parent, I am proud of all my kids, and infact ( I may be odd here ) never judge them.
One is at university going the Education route, the other loves make up and beauty, so is going
In to that industry ( after her A levels)
At no point have I persuaded, coaxed or Pressurised either , if they want to go work on the
Checkout at Saintsbury's I'd still be as proud and happy for them.
Once again maybe I'm odd, or because I got into Bond at a very young age, I feel a "Bond"
With these films, which is emotional I can't rank or judge them like other films. Perhaps
I've invested too much in them, but at times I basically roll my eyes at some of the criticisms
An example :
Who looked after Max the parrot after Gonzalez killed the Havelock's ?
After a while constantly having to rebuff these sort of criticisms does get irritating.
Please understand I'm not blaming anyone, or being 100% serious, I just find it odd, almost
Like an " unloved season" how it comes in waves
That's easy. Melina mentions that the ship has a crew. The crew did not abandon the ship after the Havelocks are killed. Most criticisms can be shut down with explanations.
Actually watching the film !
Better quickly point out nothing wrong with giving a film a good hard critique, but the phenomenon
Of a wave of negativity, is a real thing , seems to come in waves every so often. ?
As the saying goes... "Be nice to your children. After all, they are going to choose your nursing home." - Steven Wright
In case things don't work out with my wife/boss a decade to two from now (going on 22 years of marital bliss!), I've been planting suggestions in my 14-year old daughter's brain about getting into a high-paying career and the advantages of keeping a spare room for the ever-dependable grandpa of her rambunctious kids
I'm not a fanboy and I don't do tribalism. I don't believe in patriotism and I have never rooted for a sports team. Nor do I make it a habit to suspend my critical faculties just because I have a fondness for something.
And for the record, I firmly believe in the value and necessity of critics. To quote A.O. Scott, chief film critic for The New York Times, "Criticism, far from sapping the vitality of art, is instead what supplies its lifeblood... not an enemy from which art must be defended, but rather another name — the proper name — for the defense of art itself.”
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Curious about not, an individual's views or critique.
Wrong with giving any film a good hard critique " , perhaps I've badly worded the question ?
It seems to spread across the genre at the moment. I don't like the new Trek Star trek films. They are just not for me. - But I shut up about it quite abruptly when I saw just how horrible some of the comments on the Fanderson forum were when Thunderbirds Are Go (TAG-15) debuted last year. It was not just dislike, it was vindictive, spiteful, downright nasty.
That polarized me, it made me realise how out of context some people are about these things. - How I nearly was myself to a lesser degree. ;%
On Facebook too - there seems to be a wave of jumping to the worst possible conclusion and - if it bears fruit - makes that attitude worse. I have spotted several individuals who snipe and retort at the least provocation.
It's made me all the more determined to recognize such behavior - and avoid it. Some people are determined to think they know better, even when they don't, and can get away with it because they are not face to face. The answer? - Walk away. That makes it possible to enjoy the positives and have healthy debate (YOLT, V MKR V DAD anyone?) with positive like minded people all the more.
I did read your original post, more than once. I admit that I possibly misinterpreted what you were saying. Honestly, I still don't quite get it. Isn't a "wave of negativity" just a collection of individual opinions? Or are you implying that some sort of groupthink/conformity is going on?
Plus, can't your comment "Those that can't. Critique" be interpreted as a dismissal of criticism?
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It seems since I've been on AJB and looking at other forums. That perhaps every year there seems to
Be a spate of posts about minor points, or gripes about the Bond films. As opposed to reasoned
Critique of a particular film ? Or a selection of threads about "what's wrong with ...... " Only pointing out.
The faults of that film, with many faults, just not the viewer paying attention to the film.
Maybe I'm reading too much Into it and it's just a coincidence but I do think it is a " Thing"
and very different from someone giving a review of a film.
Although I'm perfectly willing to accept that it's not an event but something I'm imagining ?
Could be I'm more sensitive to posts at different times of the ...................... Year.
I guess this is something I'm imagining, as no one seems to notice an increase in negative posts on occasion.
So with that, I'd ask for this thread to be closed.
Not in any bad temper or drama, -{ I'm perfectly willing to accept I was wrong. {[]
Conspiracy theories, it seems to have bitten the dust
A book planned and everthing.
I have indeed noticed an increase of negative posts. But maybe it's because we've already discussed all of the positive things. If we brought up some of the positive things discussed here before, the thread will only be closed because of that. And I know that if I brought up some new positive things I like, people will just disagree with them and talk about them negatively. Does anyone else want to praise Roger Moore's safari suits or Michel Legrand's score to Never Say Never Again?
Marvin Hamlisch was a fashionable guy, and he wrote a fashionable score!