Well the Umarex is sort of a "real" Walther as they now own the Walther company, the .22 Walther PPK is based on their blank firer ,with similar quality
Yes, which is very little.
Umarex will never be a real firearms manufacturer.
The s/w version has mixed reports on reliability...and a lot suffer feed jam though that depends on what ammo is being used.
I'm a huge PPK fan. I just always chuckle when I see this about S&Ws when these same problems have plagued every PPK manufacturer to include Walther itself.
For the record, PPK slide bite is a real issue for many. A textbook-proper 'high on the backstrap' hand placement for semi-auto pistols lends itself to this. It's inevitable between the lack of clearance between the bottom of the slide and the skin of the hand being normally pressed up around the beavertail. Modifying one's grip is the solution, as unnatural as it may be for experienced shooters. I'm not saying that I prefer S&W's extended beavertail whatsoever. I'm just sayin'.
I guess if your hand is that large you would have to modify your grip for the PP series. I have never found that neccessary. If you have large paws and are used to a SIG-Sauer P220, HK USP45, or 1911, you might have an issue with the PP series. Especially with the PPK with the 1/4" shorter grip.
Although, sitting here gripping a PPK, I find it difficult to believe anyone with hands that large to sustain a slide scrape from a PP series pistol would be able to even grip this pistol let alone get their fat fingers in the trigger guard to fire it.
The PP series does have a short beavertail to prevent the dreaded slide bite and I cannot, and never have been able to figure out how anyone could have hands that fat or that big to get them up higher than the level of the short beavertail that the original design incorporates.
On the skyfall dermal technology model what's going on behind the front sight? There looks to be an indent there. I can't refer to my most famous gun in the world as I'm on the train heading for the border.
The indent behind the front sight is there on all PPK's post Zella.
It must be the angle of the photo, it seems much more pronounced and further back on that particular pistol.
I guess if your hand is that large you would have to modify your grip for the PP series. I have never found that neccessary. If you have large paws and are used to a SIG-Sauer P220, HK USP45, or 1911, you might have an issue with the PP series. Especially with the PPK with the 1/4" shorter grip.
Although, sitting here gripping a PPK, I find it difficult to believe anyone with hands that large to sustain a slide scrape from a PP series pistol would be able to even grip this pistol let alone get their fat fingers in the trigger guard to fire it.
The PP series does have a short beavertail to prevent the dreaded slide bite and I cannot, and never have been able to figure out how anyone could have hands that fat or that big to get them up higher than the level of the short beavertail that the original design incorporates.
I hear ya. My hands aren't large by any means (8.5 inches around, technically a size Medium glove). I grip the PPK just fine, and I've experienced slide bite both with the PPK and Sig P230/232 (which even has a slightly larger frame and grip) due to the similar slide designs. It obviously just depends on the shooter.
The s/w version has mixed reports on reliability...and a lot suffer feed jam though that depends on what ammo is being used.
I'm a huge PPK fan. I just always chuckle when I see this about S&Ws when these same problems have plagued every PPK manufacturer to include Walther itself.
For the record, PPK slide bite is a real issue for many. A textbook-proper 'high on the backstrap' hand placement for semi-auto pistols lends itself to this. It's inevitable between the lack of clearance between the bottom of the slide and the skin of the hand being normally pressed up around the beavertail. Modifying one's grip is the solution, as unnatural as it may be for experienced shooters. I'm not saying that I prefer S&W's extended beavertail whatsoever. I'm just sayin'.
I've never experienced slide bite with a ppk, with either flat or spurred magazines, with flat mags I locate my fourth finger in front of the lanyard loop, this works for me. I've slide bite with a P99 c and a makarov.
With regard ppk/s reliability, this is well documented especially in particular ammo size formats. The ppk is generally a reliable pistol, over oiling, poor mag maintenance, weak recoil spring or ammo type can cause jamming, the s and w version just seems to suffer a bit more.
Biggest issue I have had with my PPK/s is clearing a malfunction.. Our duty pistols at work (Glock 22) are a breeze to clear as the action is easily run - malfunction clears immediately - and you are back in the fight.. If you get any kind of double feed / stove pipe etc with the PPK/s it is not so easy to clear as the action is much tighter.. Any time I have experienced a malfunction with it I have had to eject the magazine completely to clear it. I still carry it as a back up for work.. And off duty in the summer time when carrying a full frame pistol is not as easy to conceal.. But in the event of a malfunction under stress, you may as well throw it at them.. )
Absolutely agreed... which is why it has always been my back up choice.. I have considered looking into one of sidearms in the P99 line as a possible choice for off duty carry in warmer months.. They appear to be somewhat slimmer than my model 22. During winter it is not an issue concealing my issue sidearm under a coat or sweater etc... But in Summer if I try and carry my duty pistol off duty I just look like a skinny guy trying to hide a large pistol )
I have a Beretta 84 I am considering taking up to the local gunshot and haggling over a trade in with it.. I bought it years and years ago.. It was a nice sidearm... But would rather go with one of the larger framed Walthers... I may need to slip up there in the next week or so -{ -{
I have a Beretta 84 I am considering taking up to the local gunshot and haggling over a trade in with it.. I bought it years and years ago.. It was a nice sidearm... But would rather go with one of the larger framed Walthers... I may need to slip up there in the next week or so -{ -{
I can highly recommend the p99 compact in sa/da model.
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Yes, which is very little.
Umarex will never be a real firearms manufacturer.
For the record, PPK slide bite is a real issue for many. A textbook-proper 'high on the backstrap' hand placement for semi-auto pistols lends itself to this. It's inevitable between the lack of clearance between the bottom of the slide and the skin of the hand being normally pressed up around the beavertail. Modifying one's grip is the solution, as unnatural as it may be for experienced shooters. I'm not saying that I prefer S&W's extended beavertail whatsoever. I'm just sayin'.
Although, sitting here gripping a PPK, I find it difficult to believe anyone with hands that large to sustain a slide scrape from a PP series pistol would be able to even grip this pistol let alone get their fat fingers in the trigger guard to fire it.
The PP series does have a short beavertail to prevent the dreaded slide bite and I cannot, and never have been able to figure out how anyone could have hands that fat or that big to get them up higher than the level of the short beavertail that the original design incorporates.
With regard ppk/s reliability, this is well documented especially in particular ammo size formats. The ppk is generally a reliable pistol, over oiling, poor mag maintenance, weak recoil spring or ammo type can cause jamming, the s and w version just seems to suffer a bit more.