Is the Budget a Problem

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,086Chief of Staff
    We've received a message from a Mr Dalton, via mi6, addressed to a Mr Higgins....

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    And Bond has had struggles with Dalton :D
    If you study the charts, TLD & LTK were more profitable than Brosnan's last 3 & QOS. While certainly not runaway hits, they solidly performed. -{
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
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    "Highest grossing Bond Films" (adjusted)

    22: The Living Daylights 1987 TIMOTHY DALTON
    24: License to Kill 1989 TIMOTHY DALTON

    wooops.

    And see what I have done. Just when it's getting slow and boring here over New Year - one truthful post :D and all the Timboys are back on the table :)) :)) :))
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
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    "Highest grossing Bond Films" (adjusted)

    22: The Living Daylights 1987 TIMOTHY DALTON
    24: License to Kill 1989 TIMOTHY DALTON

    wooops.

    And see what I have done. Just when it's getting slow and boring here over New Year - one truthful post :D and all the Timboys are back on the table :)) :)) :))

    I think you must have got that chart from Kellogg's, Higgins! :))

    LALD grossing more than MR?! How can that be?! :o
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    edited December 2016
    Higgins wrote:

    And see what I have done. Just when it's getting slow and boring here over New Year - one truthful post :D and all the Timboys are back on the table :)) :)) :))
    Yes, thanks.
    But your chart only shows box office, not "profitability" which is a different thing.

    Here's a bunch of charts, among them is ROI (return on investment)
    https://www.thejamesbonddossier.com/james-bond-films/box-office-figures-for-the-james-bond-series.htm
    and it indicates both TLD & LTK as better earners than TND, TWINE, DAD, QOS AND SP!
    So there.
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    ROI is not profitability!!


    Ok, profitable Bond movies (box office minus budget) unadjusted

    1. Skyfall: profit = 908.000.000
    2. CR : = 492.000.000
    3. SPECTRE: = 579.000.000
    4. QoS: = 361.000.000
    5. GE: = 296.000.000
    6.DAD: = 289.000.000
    7. TND: = 229.000.000
    8. TWINE: = 226.000.000
    9. MR: = 179.000.000
    10. TSWLM : = 171.000.000
    11. FYEO: = 167.000.000
    12. OP: = 159.000.000
    13. LALD: = 154.000.000
    14. TLD: 151.000.000
    15. Thunderball: = 132.000.000
    16. AVTAK: 122.000.000
    17. Goldfinger: = 121.000.000
    18. LTK: 114.000.000
    19. DAF: = 109.000.000
    20. YOLT: = 102.000.000
    21. TMWTGG: = 90.000.000
    22. FRWL: = 76.000.000
    23. OHMSS: = 74.000.000
    24. Dr. No: 58.000.000

    I'd say rank 14 and 18 hardly qualify the "highest profitable" movies :D

    Hand-calculated by Higgins from here:

    http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/James-Bond#tab=summary
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:

    I'd say rank 14 and 18 hardly qualify the "highest profitable" movies :D
    And Goldfinger, one of the most highly regarded Bonds ever is #17.
    I never said Tim's Bonds were among the highest in profitability, just that they performed well, as most Bonds do. :007)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    My favourite Bonds tend to be highest...

    ;) :v
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    My favourite Bonds tend to be highest...

    ;) :v
    According to profitability as per THIS chart!
    http://007.lucklaboratories.com/
    DN is like 5000%!!!

    Ok, let me rephrase...my favourite Bonds tend towards middling profitability... 8-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    slightly above the lower end.... :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    slightly above the lower end.... :D
    From my #4 on more towards the higher end.... :D
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    You're wrong :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    You're wrong :D
    How so?
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Because your # is wrong :p
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Bottom line is...

    Timothy Dalton RULES!!

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    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    Hope that he's failing for re-entry :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Matinée idol good looks...... But enough about me !
    Dalton does indeed Rule !
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  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    Somewhat off topic, but I think everyone seems to forget just how much of a hit Live and Let Die was when it came out. Funny to think that it's in the top 5 (inflation adjusted)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Revolver66 wrote:
    Somewhat off topic, but I think everyone seems to forget just how much of a hit Live and Let Die was when it came out. Funny to think that it's in the top 5 (inflation adjusted)
    I remember! The song was ALL OVER the radio, all the talk shows were featuring it... a new Bond is an EVENT!
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    And Bond has had struggles with Dalton :D

    Now that was just uncalled for. In Jungian Psychology we often struggle with our 'other self' in Freud we tend to project and criticise those qualities in the self that trouble us. Just sayin...happy new year BTW
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Western Mass, USAPosts: 9,062MI6 Agent
    Hmmm, let me examine my top ten...

    TLD small/medium budget
    LTK small/medium budget
    TND big budget
    QOS Big budget
    DN small/medium budget
    GF small/medium budget
    GE small/medium budget
    SP Big budget
    FRWL small/medium budget
    TB big budget

    That's 6 small-to medium & 4 big....

    Okay, I just proved myself wrong here. I thought smaller was better by far. In terms of objective quality there's a case to be made possibly, but from an entertainment POV not so much. 8-)
    Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool.
    #1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.GF 4.GE 5.DN 6.FYEO 7.FRWL 8.TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT/QOS
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    chrisisall wrote:
    Hmmm, let me examine my top ten...

    TLD small/medium budget
    LTK small/medium budget
    TND big budget
    QOS Big budget
    DN small/medium budget
    GF small/medium budget
    GE small/medium budget
    SP Big budget
    FRWL small/medium budget
    TB big budget

    That's 6 small-to medium & 4 big....

    Okay, I just proved myself wrong here. I thought smaller was better by far. In terms of objective quality there's a case to be made possibly, but from an entertainment POV not so much. 8-)

    I agree. There's no hard and fast rule or pattern in regard to budget and its correlation with the quality of the end product. I'm currently reading the new Peter Lamont book, The Man with the Golden Eye that like many other books on the series goes into the budget, which occasionally was constrained by whichever studio that was lording over the budget and with those parameters, the production decided what they wanted to do with what they'd been given and pulled off great movies.

    It seems like the John Glenn movies suffered the brunt of the budget cuts and they still managed to do things economically; Lamont specifically lauded Glenn, whose 2nd unit and editing experience figured significantly in the intentionality of production to ultimately set up shots and the construction of sets that followed as he envisioned them to look like with a minimal amount of takes.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
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