Is this an Omega...?

RedDawn289

Hello I stumbled upon this post of someone selling what "looks like an Omega homage" found on the beach. I really don't know anything about watches and wondered if anyone can clearly spot that this is a fake or not. Thanks

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-jewelry-watch/city-of-toronto/automatic-watch/1227120629?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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RedDawn289 wrote:

Hello I stumbled upon this post of someone selling what "looks like an Omega homage" found on the beach. I really don't know anything about watches and wondered if anyone can clearly spot that this is a fake or not. Thanks

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-jewelry-watch/city-of-toronto/automatic-watch/1227120629?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

The pictures quality is very bad, but I'm sure this is a a cheap Chinease replica watch and not homage. It looks like the seller doesn't want to state that.

I really advise you to stay away from replica watches.

Chriscoop

RedDawn289 wrote:

Hello I stumbled upon this post of someone selling what "looks like an Omega homage" found on the beach. I really don't know anything about watches and wondered if anyone can clearly spot that this is a fake or not. Thanks

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-jewelry-watch/city-of-toronto/automatic-watch/1227120629?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

Looks like a fake to me, omega have never done a blue planet ocean with an aluminium bezel insert and face. Also crown is incorrect and the 12 on the dial look wonky, strap is incorrect as is the deployment clasp. give it a wide berth if I were you.

Bond44

Omega never made a blue steel PO with the 2500 case back (non sapphire glass). The front looks like the 8500 and back 2500 whole package does not add up.
Clearly a fake or franken watch

Cheers :007)

Gomers

As you may have guessed, it's rubbish. Look where the date is, nearly in the middle of the dial

Avoid.

Chriscoop

Gomers wrote:

As you may have guessed, it's rubbish. Look where the date is, nearly in the middle of the dial

Avoid.

) completely missed that over obvious detail

Peppermill

To loosely quote J.W. Pepper: "Boy, you is ugly!"

Also, what is the difference between a replica and an homage when the dail says Omega? A fake is a fake is a fake, right?

Chriscoop

Yeah I'd say so, that is a fake probably bought for £30 from a looky looky man
If you're after an omega, you can pick up smp's very cheaply especially with a quartz movement, I've seen them for under £600

This is a homage

Higgins

Peppermill wrote:

To loosely quote J.W. Pepper: "Boy, you is ugly!"

Hahaha ) ) )

Chriscoop

Breath easy Higgins, yes there is fake watch in this thread, but I'm sure the op won't be buying it

Higgins

I couldn't be any more relaxed

Bond44

Strictly speaking a copy of a watch (or anything else) is only a fake when you try to pass it off or sell it as the real deal.

My mate has one of an Bond Omega SMP and it looks very good compared to mine! I know I have a real Omega watch (well I hope I do!) and my friend knowingly has a copy - but he aspires to get a real on one day. Of course if he tried to sell it as a real one I would ensure he lost a knee cap or two but that's another story )

My brother in law used to be in the Jewelry trade and once went to a major Watch brand event where you could go round the back of the same building and there were workshops where they would create an exact copy of a watch for you in less than 24 hours to a very high standard.

I was also once in Hong Kong when I escorted some buyers from a major clothing retail brand across the border to a shopping mall in China so they could buy - yes you guessed it copy watches. When I raised the issue of fakes they said - There is no such thing as a fake watch just a fake person passing a copy off as a real one!

Discussing this with a local he said many watch parts are made in China and the genuine watch is actually only assembled in country (say like Switzerland to get the Swiss Made stamp of approval). He reasoned at least 50% of parts if not more in the copy watches were the same as in the real deal - which surprised me!

I don't condone it but acknowledge it's out there.

Cheers :007)

Higgins

The story that genuine parts come out of the fake factories is around for years - which doesn't it any better. It's simply wrong.

The theory that a fake watch leads to a purchase of a genuine one can be true in some cases, but someone said that the plural of anecdotes does not equal data.

There are some Swiss companies, who buy elements for their watches in Asia. I know that bracelets and -parts are made in Thailand for the Swatch Group but I haven't seen good evidence that they come from China.

So it may be true that some parts of some cheaper brands come from Asia, but the movements of Swiss watches are still made in Switzerland and I am pretty sure that you won't find a chinese part in any Omega or Rolex.

Fakes are produced on a large industrial scale in China, there is nothing workshop-kind of way that they are doing it and it's shady business - particularly the distribution of them.

So, if you are buying a fake,. this comes from a chinese factory and you can be sure that they don't share a single part with a genuine watch.

Chriscoop

It's only recently I've become aware just how big and widespread fake watches have become, I was still living in the era of " a man in the pub has brought some back" or the African guys who sell them with fake ray bans in holiday destinations. Obviously the Internet has opened up this "industry" it's quote perplexing as these watches aren't £ 40 or £50 they are hundreds of pounds in some cases. And naive people are getting stung thinking they are getting a good deal. It's not just watched either it's anything you can think of, I've been stung once, I bought a bottle of Tom Ford aftershave from an Italian looking website, the bottle arrived some weeks later from India. At first glance it was obviously fake, probably full of perfumed p*S's and set me back £80 quid, I got my money back from the credit card company and from then I've never trawled the Internet for any of my purchases. From my recent omega purchase I did some research on the watch first and found nearly ad many "replica" reviews, photos and sites than ones on the genuine watch, though I have to say the replicas are quite obvious to me.
Just echoing Bond44 I know loads of guys with fake Rolex, and while getting married in Venice we stayed in a hotel which is opposite Luis Vuittons shop there, and outside the front of this shop is an African guy who all day sells fake Lv bags for 20 euros. He only moves when the police are coming and reappears 5 minutes later.

Bond44

Fakes, replicas or homage of anything close looking is a topic long debated and will do so long into the future.
After all we all know there are some linked to this site that 'service' our clothing need. They are not fakes (or?) they are replicas we purchase freely knowing what we are getting or we can save and choose the real deal.

I used to be utterly against such copies of anything but over time (and probably due in part to sites such as this) I see they service a market need and it's the market that drives the need that drives the production - simple economics really.

If we all bought the real deal there would be no demand for copies so its a human nature self created problem

Cheers :007)

Chriscoop

Very true, though if Dan stuck a Dior or Tom Ford label in his royale jackets I'm sure there would be an outcry.

Higgins

I see Magnoli's activities very critical - the only benefit that I am giving him is that he's not some triade distributing his stuff and that it's apparently legal what he does.

This does not apply to watches as far as I know.

He copies 1:1 branded products and that's inacceptable to me personally.
I also don't differentiate between fakes and hommages. They are fake, no matter what you put on the dial/tag.

What I find acceptable is prop replicas that don't exist in the real world which or are copyrighted.

Minigeff's replica for example are awesome and I am happy that he goes miles to make all that stuff.

Chriscoop

I'm unsure about clothing or even sunglasses, to me it's a grey area if things aren't labelled falsely, Tom Ford borrowed designs for the Harrington from barracuta, his 108's were copied from oliver people's, the Henry sunglasses are ray ban clubmaster copies, and the Johnny polo has been done by many before he did it. Do we call every waxed jacket a Barbour copy? And the Dior homme a copy of the original ww2 jacket? I'm just unsure ?:)

Higgins

I agree that it's a grey area and you are in particular correct with TF 108 vs. Oliver Peoples.

It seems that the fashion industry is a shark pool where nothing can really be protected - however I give TF credit for a certain amount of creativity on other models. Magnoli's business model is solely to verbatim copy designs from other brands.

Same with the so called hommage watches.

RedDawn289

Chriscoop wrote:

Breath easy Higgins, yes there is fake watch in this thread, but I'm sure the op won't be buying it

You're right about that I wont be buying this watch for sure. The poster e-mailed me back and did in fact state that it was not a true Omega. I honestly know nothing about these watches other than they are shinny, fancy and James Bond wears them.... I want one lol.

James Brosnan

I've come to find that I don't like replica clothing or watches because SA details are not as important to me as quality and branding. However, I completely understand those who like replicas because they offer those SA details that mean a lot to some. I'm ok with companies taking inspiration from classic styles and adding their own unique touch to it. For me, I think of styles like movie genres, and I like to see different designers' takes on a Harrington, or a cardigan, etc. as for the moral issue behind replicas, while not illegal apparently, I can see how some may be upset with exact copies as they compromise the artistic integrity of the original. I wouldnt want someone to copy my art or creation, so I guess I'm morally against replicas, but I also sympathize with the desire for screen accurate details and love to see how excited and happy people get from Dan and Magnoli's stuff; so, I really don't know where I stand on this one.

Chriscoop

RedDawn289 wrote:

Chriscoop wrote:

Breath easy Higgins, yes there is fake watch in this thread, but I'm sure the op won't be buying it

You're right about that I wont be buying this watch for sure. The poster e-mailed me back and did in fact state that it was not a true Omega. I honestly know nothing about these watches other than they are shinny, fancy and James Bond wears them.... I want one lol.

I'll refer you to the watch porn wednesday thread -{

armenianmovieman

James Brosnan wrote:

I've come to find that I don't like replica clothing or watches because SA details are not as important to me as quality and branding. However, I completely understand those who like replicas because they offer those SA details that mean a lot to some. I'm ok with companies taking inspiration from classic styles and adding their own unique touch to it. For me, I think of styles like movie genres, and I like to see different designers' takes on a Harrington, or a cardigan, etc. as for the moral issue behind replicas, while not illegal apparently, I can see how some may be upset with exact copies as they compromise the artistic integrity of the original. I wouldnt want someone to copy my art or creation, so I guess I'm morally against replicas, but I also sympathize with the desire for screen accurate details and love to see how excited and happy people get from Dan and Magnoli's stuff; so, I really don't know where I stand on this one.

My take is, when Magnoli sells that Tom Ford Cardigan or Enjoying Death shirt or Jurassic Park henley, the buyer knows it is a replica of something else. The buyer knows that Magnoli isn't the Zara designer or Tom Ford who dreamed up these items; one look at his website (and the item names) and it is very obvious that Magnoli is only selling those items that appear in movies. It isn't a crime to want to dress like James Bond, and it isn't a crime to sell a replica of a jacket that appeared in a movie.

I have no doubt Magnoli wouldn't "rip off" a designer item if it wasn't in a popular film or show. I can't imagine Magnoli (literally) ripping off Tom Ford's entire next season line and selling it.

We as consumers are merely shamelessly ripping off James Bond, not the designers. lol

And also, it isn't immoral or a crime to not be able to afford a $2500 Tom Ford Blouson but want a jacket that looks as close to that as possible. Especially in certain cases like the Armani CR Jacket or Y3 QoS jacket or the TF108 glasses, which are virtually impossible to find immediately. Magnoli provides a nice service.

Bottom line: people know he sells movie wardrobe replicas, and as long as he doesn't pass himself off as the original manufacturer or rip off that original manufacturer's other items, what's wrong with it?

James Brosnan

Good points Armenianmovieman. That's exactly why I'm torn on this topic. I know how much people want these hard to get looks because of the movie connection. And, like you say, the replica makers on here are up front about what they are doing and it's not illegal. But, brands like Tom Ford make their living on exclusivity. So, someone making replicas of their pieces could compromise that exclusivity and lessen the value of their products. I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of the designer, and from their perspective, I can understand why they might not like it.

Asp9mm

As long as they aren't infringing on trademarks and copyright design and patents, it's OK. The fashion industry is rife with companies copying designs, TF a prime example. Magnoli does cross the line sometimes with the exact pattern of registered designs from T&A. Some of those patterns are very distinct and belong to T&A.

James Brosnan

Asp9mm wrote:

As long as they aren't infringing on trademarks and copyright design and patents, it's OK. The fashion industry is rife with companies copying designs, TF a prime example.

Is it that copyrights dont exist for clothing designs? I understand the need to allow every company to make a crew neck T-shirt, for example, but I just imagined that designers could somehow be protected from exact copies. Then again, how many variations can one really put on a Crew neck T-shirt before infringing on a copyright; possibly why such broad copyright laws don't exist for the clothing industry.

canoe2

This a topic that really interests me and I've thought about it a lot. I think a lot of it comes down to "intent" on the part of the manufacturer. Neither Indy nor Dan pretend they're selling originals. Just the opposite. I think they both take pride in the research and dedication it takes to reproduce SA products. How is that different than the work that goes into creating any other prop? Following that logic, aren't the prop repro manufacturers here stealing the intellectual property of the men and women that created the original non-clothing pieces? Are all those replicas produced under license?

I won't include fakes on my site for obvious reasons. And I had issues including a polo from one brand that I felt had ripped off Sunspel in both design and marketing efforts. But I have no issues with Indy or Dan's work.

Watches are easy for me: there are enough good to excellent models from various established and well regarded brands that come "close enough" that I feel no need to include fakes or knock offs. Personally, I would always feel happier wearing a $200 Seiko diver that "is what it is" than trying to pass off a $50 Omega or Rolex fake as the real thing.

Just my 2 cents ....

Tennyson

This topic is so full of conflicts and contradictions it's very difficult to have a clear position... we know that a branded clone (like the start of this thread) is a clearly fraud, but if we are saying knowing that Magnoli makes (unbranded) replicas is 'OK' because we know they are replicas, then it could be argued that buying a cloned Rolex knowing it is a replica/ripoff/clone is 'OK' too. (I have purposely ignored links between replicas and organised crime for the sake of good healthy debate!)

Most clothing styles are 'sillohettes' these days, such as the Harrington, and everyone does them, some designs are more unique, such as the Olivers People Aviators (a twist on a classic design) and the Monclear Winter Jacket, both of which were replicated almost 100% by TF, but as its 'Eon approved' it's ok to some ... In simple terms, TF have done exactly the same as Indy and Dan Love have done, replicate a design and stick their label in it. (Oh, and TF over inflated the price!!!)

If TF did a watch for bond 25 that was a PO or SM copy, with a TF logo on it instead of an omega, would the due hard TF fans liken this to a 'homage' or a contemporary TF design?

Finally, an old article, but very ironic I think

http://au.complex.com/style/2013/04/tom-ford-calls-out-zara-for-copying-designs

Well I guess, If you can't beat them!!!

Chriscoop

clothing is a huge grey area, nothing seems original any more and with the moncler/ Tom Ford situation he has no room to comment, even his Styrrup trousers with that outfit are copied... Er I mean inspired by trousers used in the past. Everything has been done before, just because Billy Reid puts some leather detail on a peacoat and some other small detail does not make it original it's still copied from/ homage to the original naval item. I don't have any negative opinion on royale or Magnoli, with exception of direct pattern copies, if t&a have created their own geometric tie designs then it's their design and artwork therefore replicating that design is wrong, but slightly alter it in a small way and that's fine as that is accepted in the fashion world. Sunglasses, bags, watches and clothing that are direct copies are firmly in the fake made to decieve camp, do people who buy a pair of fake Adidas or Nike trainers tell everyone they are fake? I doubt it they generally purchase these items to pass them off as real and therefore pass themselves off as something different than what they are, we had a young man on here who recently bought a Rolex fake posted up pictures seeing nothing wrong with it, in the end he was happy as he could fool girls into thinking it was real which is a deception. I bought Magnolis qos sunglasses, but it's not possible to pass these off as Tom Ford or oliver people's as they say Magnoli on them, and don't have the T on the temple. Also particularly fake watches do damage the original brand, I always liked omega but I have worn a Rolex on a couple of occasions, I swore off them due to the amount of fakes which at one point were everywhere! 16 year old lads had them, bartenders had them, I was once in the supermarket and the man repairing the fridge had a bi metal Daytona on his wrist! Would anyone reach into the workings of a fridge with a 10k, watch on his hand? I'm not saying high end watches are the preserve of the wealthy and privileged and I know you can buy them on finance but when fakes flood the market to an extent that they loose exclusivity they also loose some appeal. Burberry suffered a lot due to their brand becoming a chav brand due to availability of fake goods, Luis Vuitton has also suffered, 6k handbag on a single mother on benefits?

Bond Collectors' Weekends

canoe2 wrote:

This a topic that really interests me and I've thought about it a lot. I think a lot of it comes down to "intent" on the part of the manufacturer. Neither Indy nor Dan pretend they're selling originals. Just the opposite. I think they both take pride in the research and dedication it takes to reproduce SA products. How is that different than the work that goes into creating any other prop? Following that logic, aren't the prop repro manufacturers here stealing the intellectual property of the men and women that created the original non-clothing pieces? Are all those replicas produced under license?

I won't include fakes on my site for obvious reasons. And I had issues including a polo from one brand that I felt had ripped off Sunspel in both design and marketing efforts. But I have no issues with Indy or Dan's work.

Watches are easy for me: there are enough good to excellent models from various established and well regarded brands that come "close enough" that I feel no need to include fakes or knock offs. Personally, I would always feel happier wearing a $200 Seiko diver that "is what it is" than trying to pass off a $50 Omega or Rolex fake as the real thing.

Just my 2 cents ....

I take pride in the research and work I do to make reproductions.

I would understand if Tom Ford sued me, though, for making a suit as close as possible to theirs.

. . . or maybe not, since firms love free publicity!

BCFDRay

One dead giveaway for a replica is the helium valve lining up at the 10 o'clock position. It should be slightly higher. That's definitely a replica