That's funny, I had mine a year before the movie was released and hadn't even yet been announced that the P99 was to replace the PPK.
In 1996, Walther supplied two second generation P99 (V1667 & V1680) and one P99 SD with factory suppressor plus eleven PAK pistols to the armoury for use on Tomorrow Never Dies. This was pretty much unpaid product placement of their new pistol. Production was already underway using the 811 prefix PPK. Only the SD was ultimately unused.
Why the V in front of the non-standard serial numbers?
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And I did. Before it showed up on the screen or was announced that it was to be in the film.
I do remember the details and I don't lie about my firearms, my collection, or my knowledge of them.
I would be careful with your accusations.
So Walther saw fit to supply you with an updated model they weren't making yet. And favoured you (a few months before) over the Bond production team in showing the newest pistol to the general public? You must have done an epic write up on it for them to do that. Congratulations. I'd like to see that, and your TARDIS... or is it a Delorean you have?
Good God man, the pistol was number 001237. There were 236 before this and thousands afterwards. What is it you don't understand about Walther's serial numbering system?
Jackass has already stated the pistols used in the Bond film were pre-production examples with a V prefix and a pre-production SN.
Good God man, the pistol was number 001237. There were 236 before this and thousands afterwards. What is it you don't understand about Walther's serial numbering system?
Jackass has already stated the pistols used in the Bond film were pre-production examples with a V prefix and a pre-production SN.
I BLOODY WELL DIDN'T! and it's Donkey you....... misinformed gentleman you!
Good God man, the pistol was number 001237. There were 236 before this and thousands afterwards. What is it you don't understand about Walther's serial numbering system?
Jackass has already stated the pistols used in the Bond film were pre-production examples with a V prefix and a pre-production SN.
So how did you get a later production model that was made a year after TND was filmed, just months before Walther only had pre-production models available... at all, at that time.
You keep changing tack to suit your argument. First you had it before the Bond team, then you had it afterward, then you had it before the prototypes were made, the afterward. Make up your mind. Your argument has more holes than the DB5 in SKYFALL ) It's got nothing to do with serial numbers, the V series came before yours, and the first variant before them. You can't claim to be Homo Sapiens before Homo Habilis. Your are claiming the impossible.
Design phase/pre-production phase, firearms serial numbered with V/ Final design approved and production started, numbering begins with 001001.
I bought my first P99 in January of 1997. This was proofed the same year. It was proofed less than a month from the Ulm plant when I bought it. It was probably older because the date code indicates the proof date, NOT when the pistol was built or assembled. It was likely assembled in mid- to late '96 and was awaiting proofing at the Ulm Proofhaus.
I'm not changing anything about my P99. If you have definitive facts about the filming sequence of the movie, when the V series was delivered to either the armorers or the prop department, or anything else of a pertinent nature, I'm all ears.
I'm saying the Bond movie was filmed with the pre-production examples in '96 if we are to believe ppw3o6r. Quite likely while regular P99 production was in progress. Unless you think Walther should have waited on Eon for some miraculous announcement about yet another product placement.
I'm saying I had my P99 in my hands and carrying it before the Bond movie was released or even announced that the P99 would be the replacement for the PPK. And yes, a year before.
Not really certain why you are trying to make me out a liar or why I would do something like that. But I don't mind being called out.
Well the good news is whilst observing the mass debate I snagged a JV for a very reasonable price - now for those PPK hand grips.
Seriously it is great to see such passionate debate on such a Bond related subject but let's not fall out over it - to each his own and all that.
Cheers :007)
P.S Let's refrain from such things as name calling we are after all adults on this site - really there is no need and you lose the moral high ground in all cases and the point your making gets lost.
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
I have not ever shot this gun and wonder if how it is to shoot?
Ditto but its on my bucket list!
Cheers :007)
I think like me you'd find this a bit of a pop gun compared to the high power. The couple I've fired were sweet with an easy squeeze , snappy and have a unique almost mechanical ring when recycling. The weight of an empty ppk is nice as you now know, but with a loaded mag that little extra in the grip feels good. Above all though they are a lovely looking tool, and IMHO a perfect concealed personal protection piece, an assault weapon it is not. Just my thoughts obviously different guns in different hands give different experiences.
And so it continues....Okay what we have here is a page from a recently mentioned book illustrating a PAK P99 however by mistake the author illustrated a V series first generation "pre-Bond" Walther P99. Also illustrated is Pierce Brosnan's screen used PAK from The World Is Not Enough to illustrate the difference between the two at the muzzle end.
As we are talking Bond here I've been thinking about this rationally. In Tomorrow Never Dies Bond as in Goldeneye uses an 811 prefix Walther PPK. In his search for the Stealth Boat Bond requisitions a P99 from Colonel Wai Lynn..."AH THE NEW WALTHER I ASKED Q TO GET ME ONE OF THESE" which pretty much introduced the P99 to the movie going populace.
In 1999, Bond uses the P99 as his standard SIS issue sidearm. The armoury utilised the two P99 pistols they'd previously utilised on Tomorrow Never Dies along with the same eleven PAK pistols plus some extras. Additionally Bond can also be seen using a P99 with a flat front trigger guard and no curved lip on the front of said trigger guard. This was now two years later on production. Bond then used the flat from trigger guard on Die Another Day and Casino Royale in 2006 so the usage of two different variants is actually unfolding on the silver screen between 1997 and 2006 -{
V prefix second generation P99 also illustrated on cover of book. Note the shape on the front edge of the trigger guard.
Third generation P99 used by Pierce Brosnan on The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day.
All images taken today in the Armoury which hopefully proves a point? -{
Finally this is the handbook of the commercially available P99 of 1996. Please note which variant is on the cover -{
As The Donk is evidently not an expert of posting full size pic, let me contribute:
And so it continues....Okay what we have here is a page from a recently mentioned book illustrating a PAK P99 however by mistake the author illustrated a V series first generation "pre-Bond" Walther P99. Also illustrated is Pierce Brosnan's screen used PAK from The World Is Not Enough to illustrate the difference between the two at the muzzle end.
As we are talking Bond here I've been thinking about this rationally. In Tomorrow Never Dies Bond as in Goldeneye uses an 811 prefix Walther PPK. In his search for the Stealth Boat Bond requisitions a P99 from Colonel Wai Lynn..."AH THE NEW WALTHER I ASKED Q TO GET ME ONE OF THESE" which pretty much introduced the P99 to the movie going populace.
In 1999, Bond uses the P99 as his standard SIS issue sidearm. The armoury utilised the two P99 pistols they'd previously utilised on Tomorrow Never Dies along with the same eleven PAK pistols plus some extras. Additionally Bond can also be seen using a P99 with a flat front trigger guard and no curved lip on the front of said trigger guard. This was now two years later on production. Bond then used the flat from trigger guard on Die Another Day and Casino Royale in 2006 so the usage of two different variants is actually unfolding on the silver screen between 1997 and 2006 ajb007/martini
V prefix second generation P99 also illustrated on cover of book. Note the shape on the front edge of the trigger guard.
Third generation P99 used by Pierce Brosnan on The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day.
All images taken today in the Armoury which hopefully proves a point? -{
Finally this is the handbook of the commercially available P99 of 1996. Please note which variant is on the cover ajb007/martini
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
As The Donk is evidently not an expert of posting full size pic, let me contribute:
And so it continues....Okay what we have here is a page from a recently mentioned book illustrating a PAK P99 however by mistake the author illustrated a V series first generation "pre-Bond" Walther P99. Also illustrated is Pierce Brosnan's screen used PAK from The World Is Not Enough to illustrate the difference between the two at the muzzle end.
As we are talking Bond here I've been thinking about this rationally. In Tomorrow Never Dies Bond as in Goldeneye uses an 811 prefix Walther PPK. In his search for the Stealth Boat Bond requisitions a P99 from Colonel Wai Lynn..."AH THE NEW WALTHER I ASKED Q TO GET ME ONE OF THESE" which pretty much introduced the P99 to the movie going populace.
In 1999, Bond uses the P99 as his standard SIS issue sidearm. The armoury utilised the two P99 pistols they'd previously utilised on Tomorrow Never Dies along the same eleven PAK pistols plus some extras. Additionally Bond can also be seen using a P99 with a flat front trigger guard and no curved lip on the front of said trigger guard. This was now two years later on production. Bond then used the flat from trigger guard on Die Another Day and Casino Royale in 2006 so the usage of two different variants is actually unfolding on the silver screen between 1997 and 2006 -{
V prefix second generation P99 also illustrated on cover of book. Note the shape on the front edge of the trigger guard.
Third generation P99 used by Pierce Brosnan on The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day.
All images taken today in the Armoury which hopefully proves a point? -{
Well after all that I will stick with the PPK, I always preferred that as Bonds weapon of issue anyway.
This may be a long shot does anyone know where you can obtain a set of black Walther grips for a PPK these days ?
Correction - outside of those who reside in the UK most of them do have or have owned a gun! - so maybe it is lucky there were not sitting in the same room
Like I said I truly admire the expertise on this site and of course the passion we all share. But if you call it a shovel and I call it a spade no one is ever going to die from such conflicting info or opinions. Its all about keeping a sense of perspective as they always say in a Bond movie (they seems to love that in DC era Bond films and touching ears!).
I truly admire all concerned on their subject knowledge and I know some involved its a life work following Bonds weapons which helps and informs us all in the long run. Long may that continue but it would be a shame for those concerned to fall out over a difference of opinion. Its what make this site what it is, for adults where debate and expression of opinions are fine and healthy - lets keep it that way and not make it personal.
Its fine to agree to disagree and move on - life's too short after all!
I prefer the PP, PPI, PPK or PPK/S heck whatever its called anyway!
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
As The Donk is evidently not an expert of posting full size pic, let me contribute:
And so it continues....Okay what we have here is a page from a recently mentioned book illustrating a PAK P99 however by mistake the author illustrated a V series first generation "pre-Bond" Walther P99. Also illustrated is Pierce Brosnan's screen used PAK from The World Is Not Enough to illustrate the difference between the two at the muzzle end.
As we are talking Bond here I've been thinking about this rationally. In Tomorrow Never Dies Bond as in Goldeneye uses an 811 prefix Walther PPK. In his search for the Stealth Boat Bond requisitions a P99 from Colonel Wai Lynn..."AH THE NEW WALTHER I ASKED Q TO GET ME ONE OF THESE" which pretty much introduced the P99 to the movie going populace.
In 1999, Bond uses the P99 as his standard SIS issue sidearm. The armoury utilised the two P99 pistols they'd previously utilised on Tomorrow Never Dies along with the same eleven PAK pistols plus some extras. Additionally Bond can also be seen using a P99 with a flat front trigger guard and no curved lip on the front of said trigger guard. This was now two years later on production. Bond then used the flat from trigger guard on Die Another Day and Casino Royale in 2006 so the usage of two different variants is actually unfolding on the silver screen between 1997 and 2006 ajb007/martini
V prefix second generation P99 also illustrated on cover of book. Note the shape on the front edge of the trigger guard.
Third generation P99 used by Pierce Brosnan on The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day.
All images taken today in the Armoury which hopefully proves a point? -{
That was an interesting read, had no idea Bond used two different P99s! I prefer the older generation with the pronounced trigger guard.
Comments
Why the V in front of the non-standard serial numbers?
So Walther saw fit to supply you with an updated model they weren't making yet. And favoured you (a few months before) over the Bond production team in showing the newest pistol to the general public? You must have done an epic write up on it for them to do that. Congratulations. I'd like to see that, and your TARDIS... or is it a Delorean you have?
Jackass has already stated the pistols used in the Bond film were pre-production examples with a V prefix and a pre-production SN.
Dont mess wiv the Donkey :v
I BLOODY WELL DIDN'T! and it's Donkey you....... misinformed gentleman you!
The V prefix denotes a pre-production example. On all lines that used it. Including the P5 and P88/P88C
So how did you get a later production model that was made a year after TND was filmed, just months before Walther only had pre-production models available... at all, at that time.
You keep changing tack to suit your argument. First you had it before the Bond team, then you had it afterward, then you had it before the prototypes were made, the afterward. Make up your mind. Your argument has more holes than the DB5 in SKYFALL
I bought my first P99 in January of 1997. This was proofed the same year. It was proofed less than a month from the Ulm plant when I bought it. It was probably older because the date code indicates the proof date, NOT when the pistol was built or assembled. It was likely assembled in mid- to late '96 and was awaiting proofing at the Ulm Proofhaus.
I'm not changing anything about my P99. If you have definitive facts about the filming sequence of the movie, when the V series was delivered to either the armorers or the prop department, or anything else of a pertinent nature, I'm all ears.
I'm saying the Bond movie was filmed with the pre-production examples in '96 if we are to believe ppw3o6r. Quite likely while regular P99 production was in progress. Unless you think Walther should have waited on Eon for some miraculous announcement about yet another product placement.
I'm saying I had my P99 in my hands and carrying it before the Bond movie was released or even announced that the P99 would be the replacement for the PPK. And yes, a year before.
Not really certain why you are trying to make me out a liar or why I would do something like that. But I don't mind being called out.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I have this Dr. No screen accurate PPK
it even carries James Bond's secret number.
What is a realistic collector's value of it - I want to offer it to EON Production in London.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Seriously it is great to see such passionate debate on such a Bond related subject but let's not fall out over it - to each his own and all that.
Cheers :007)
P.S Let's refrain from such things as name calling we are after all adults on this site - really there is no need and you lose the moral high ground in all cases and the point your making gets lost.
Nice. Is that serial #007, #001007, #V007, or #V001007?
Ditto but its on my bucket list!
Cheers :007)
As we are talking Bond here I've been thinking about this rationally. In Tomorrow Never Dies Bond as in Goldeneye uses an 811 prefix Walther PPK. In his search for the Stealth Boat Bond requisitions a P99 from Colonel Wai Lynn..."AH THE NEW WALTHER I ASKED Q TO GET ME ONE OF THESE" which pretty much introduced the P99 to the movie going populace.
In 1999, Bond uses the P99 as his standard SIS issue sidearm. The armoury utilised the two P99 pistols they'd previously utilised on Tomorrow Never Dies along with the same eleven PAK pistols plus some extras. Additionally Bond can also be seen using a P99 with a flat front trigger guard and no curved lip on the front of said trigger guard. This was now two years later on production. Bond then used the flat from trigger guard on Die Another Day and Casino Royale in 2006 so the usage of two different variants is actually unfolding on the silver screen between 1997 and 2006 -{
V prefix second generation P99 also illustrated on cover of book. Note the shape on the front edge of the trigger guard.
Third generation P99 used by Pierce Brosnan on The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day.
All images taken today in the Armoury which hopefully proves a point? -{
Finally this is the handbook of the commercially available P99 of 1996. Please note which variant is on the cover -{
And so it continues....Okay what we have here is a page from a recently mentioned book illustrating a PAK P99 however by mistake the author illustrated a V series first generation "pre-Bond" Walther P99. Also illustrated is Pierce Brosnan's screen used PAK from The World Is Not Enough to illustrate the difference between the two at the muzzle end.
As we are talking Bond here I've been thinking about this rationally. In Tomorrow Never Dies Bond as in Goldeneye uses an 811 prefix Walther PPK. In his search for the Stealth Boat Bond requisitions a P99 from Colonel Wai Lynn..."AH THE NEW WALTHER I ASKED Q TO GET ME ONE OF THESE" which pretty much introduced the P99 to the movie going populace.
In 1999, Bond uses the P99 as his standard SIS issue sidearm. The armoury utilised the two P99 pistols they'd previously utilised on Tomorrow Never Dies along with the same eleven PAK pistols plus some extras. Additionally Bond can also be seen using a P99 with a flat front trigger guard and no curved lip on the front of said trigger guard. This was now two years later on production. Bond then used the flat from trigger guard on Die Another Day and Casino Royale in 2006 so the usage of two different variants is actually unfolding on the silver screen between 1997 and 2006 ajb007/martini
V prefix second generation P99 also illustrated on cover of book. Note the shape on the front edge of the trigger guard.
Third generation P99 used by Pierce Brosnan on The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day.
All images taken today in the Armoury which hopefully proves a point? -{
Finally this is the handbook of the commercially available P99 of 1996. Please note which variant is on the cover ajb007/martini
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I have a spare set if you're in need
Like I said I truly admire the expertise on this site and of course the passion we all share. But if you call it a shovel and I call it a spade no one is ever going to die from such conflicting info or opinions. Its all about keeping a sense of perspective as they always say in a Bond movie (they seems to love that in DC era Bond films and touching ears!).
I truly admire all concerned on their subject knowledge and I know some involved its a life work following Bonds weapons which helps and informs us all in the long run. Long may that continue but it would be a shame for those concerned to fall out over a difference of opinion. Its what make this site what it is, for adults where debate and expression of opinions are fine and healthy - lets keep it that way and not make it personal.
Its fine to agree to disagree and move on - life's too short after all!
I prefer the PP, PPI, PPK or PPK/S heck whatever its called anyway!
Cheers :007)