It's also true to say that although there is the ever present and increasing threat from extremist organisations, the reality there is still not a large volume of gun crime that threatens the police directly, over places like the US. I was a training sgt for a force up until 3 years ago, and we had 3,000 officers, and only 150 AFO's. We did however have the largest ratio of Taser carrying officers than any other force (at that time), which really shows where the threat level to bobbies sit. The Police Fed did routinely survey re: officers carrying firearms routinely, but the majority were always against it. Policing by consent too... apparently the public don't want to see a bobby with a gun (or a taser for that matter), but they all love the romantic notion of the 'truncheon'... nothing like braining a criminal with 26 inches of cold steel!
...During my visit to London I observed the majority of uniformed Met officers unarmed, yet wearing body armor.
I've heard these referred to as "stab vests" on a couple of occasions, rather than body armour. I don't know what they're made of, or if they could stop a bullet, but UK police would be more likely to get stabbed with a knife or bottle etc than shot.
I recently received an email back from Tornado Industries about having one of my PPK barrels threaded. They told me that only blank firing pistols have internally threaded barrels and they'd have to fabricate an extension onto the existing barrel and thread that. I'm not sure I'd want the barrel to potrude past the slide, but I don't think I have any other option
Anyone with a real or mock suppressor, how does it mount on yours?
I recently received an email back from Tornado Industries about having one of my PPK barrels threaded. They told me that only blank firing pistols have internally threaded barrels and they'd have to fabricate an extension onto the existing barrel and thread that. I'm not sure I'd want the barrel to potrude past the slide, but I don't think I have any other option
Anyone with a real or mock suppressor, how does it mount on yours?
The screen PPK barrels are threaded internally with an M9 thread. This serves two purposes. One, you can fit a dummy suppressor which is also M9 threaded and Two, the barrel can be fitted with an insert called a restrictor which drastically reduces the bore of the weapon which allows the build up of back pressure gasses which makes blank round discharge & slide blow back possible -{
Real suppressors thread onto the outside of barrels and yes those barrels are "factory" extended/threaded. That is to say they are produced as a longer unit. Walther halt production of their standard barrels to produce the barrels which are externally threaded. If your weapon is still live? it is not a good idea to have a barrel extended for the purpose of fitting a suppressor as the unit will never be as strong/safe as a unit which has been made for purpose.
I recently received an email back from Tornado Industries about having one of my PPK barrels threaded. They told me that only blank firing pistols have internally threaded barrels and they'd have to fabricate an extension onto the existing barrel and thread that. I'm not sure I'd want the barrel to potrude past the slide, but I don't think I have any other option
Anyone with a real or mock suppressor, how does it mount on yours?
The screen PPK barrels are threaded internally with an M9 thread. This serves two purposes. One, you can fit a dummy suppressor which is also M9 threaded and Two, the barrel can be fitted with an insert called a restrictor which drastically reduces the bore of the weapon which allows the build up of back pressure gasses which makes blank round discharge & slide blow back possible -{
Real suppressors thread onto the outside of barrels and yes those barrels are "factory" extended/threaded. That is to say they are produced as a longer unit. Walther halt production of their standard barrels to produce the barrels which are externally threaded. If your weapon is still live? it is not a good idea to have a barrel extended for the purpose of fitting a suppressor as the unit will never be as strong/safe as a unit which has been made for purpose.
Pierce Brosnan's screen used suppressed PPK
Yes, my firearms are live. What part of the firearm would be weakened? I've also heard of people replacing the barrel with one from a PP to achieve the extention
The extended barrels are machined from one piece of hardened steel so if you are adding a section that part is always going to be the weakest link so to speak. You would be better off trying to buy an extended barrel which was made for purpose. Also remember genuine Walther barrels have left handed threads. I know Earl's Repair Service in the US can provide external threaded P99 barrels so it may be worth contacting them regarding the PPK barrel -{
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
There are some companies that will thread a barrel internally, but it's not an option for long term shooting. It reduces the rifled area of the barrel and therefore accuracy and it also weakens it far more than adding an extension. The major downside is powder fouling gathering in the thread which is almost impossible to clean out and leads to corrosion over time. It also has to be a .22 or .32 barrel as they have enough steel to do this. 9mmK doesn't. I'd get a PP barrel and have it professionally converted and threaded if you really want this option.
I really don't think I'd want to do anything to the 32 I'm in the process of purchasing, my first Zella, from 1939. Slowly but surely I'm catching up to you Asp -
Any additional reading material you would recommend? I'd really like to learn about the rare and unusual PPKs, limited runs, etc.
There are some companies that will thread a barrel internally, but it's not an option for long term shooting. It reduces the rifled area of the barrel and therefore accuracy and it also weakens it far more than adding an extension. The major downside is powder fouling gathering in the thread which is almost impossible to clean out and leads to corrosion over time.
You couldn't pay me to shoot a live round out of an internally-threaded barrel. Reducing accuracy and barrel fouling are the least of your worries. Can you say barrel obstruction? Marring a barrel's crown alone disrupts accuracy, much less threading the inside where the rifling ends. Internally-threaded barrels are strictly for Hollywood.
I really don't think I'd want to do anything to the 32 I'm in the process of purchasing, my first Zella, from 1939. Slowly but surely I'm catching up to you Asp -
Any additional reading material you would recommend? I'd really like to learn about the rare and unusual PPKs, limited runs, etc.
I'd recommend a copy of Walther Eine Deutsche Legende by Manfred Kersten which you can also obtain in English I believe from Walther.com themselves -{
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
There are some companies that will thread a barrel internally, but it's not an option for long term shooting. It reduces the rifled area of the barrel and therefore accuracy and it also weakens it far more than adding an extension. The major downside is powder fouling gathering in the thread which is almost impossible to clean out and leads to corrosion over time.
You couldn't pay me to shoot a live round out of an internally-threaded barrel. Reducing accuracy and barrel fouling are the least of your worries. Can you say barrel obstruction? Marring a barrel's crown alone disrupts accuracy, much less threading the inside where the rifling ends. Internally-threaded barrels are strictly for Hollywood.
That's not necessarily true. If you use a good and reputable armourer that specialises in this kind of conversion, then barrel obstruction isn't a problem at all and it's a safe method. PPK's in .22 and .32 are actually quite good pistols for this conversion. Internal barrel threading has been happening for decades and was far more common in small automatics than external threading some 70 years back. It's perfectly safe.
2 things. If there is enough meat on the barrel it is no problem to have the inner barrel wall reamed out and then threaded. It gives plenty of room for the bullet to pass. However, unlike the movies, suppressors aren't that quiet. If you fire a subsonic round it is quiet enough to where you don't need ear protection in most cases. However on a sbr it is still very loud and operationally you do not want to fire subsonic 5.56 rounds more that cqb distances. One advantage of a suppressor on something like an overwatch rifle is that the sound will appear to come from somewhere else and there is no muzzle flash. And depending on the barrel contour it can drastically affect point of impact. My M40A5 was 3" left and 4" low at 100 meters. My AR platform gun was a lot worse. So you need good dope for both, even though most times you always have the suppressor on the weapons system.
When I was working with the Govt, Interarms used to get us in BHP's and neuter them. They would put them on a mill, completely remove the serial # from the front strap, another guy would weld it back up then stipple it. They would also remove all lettering from the slide and rest of frame. When the guns were done, you couldn't tell they had all that work done to them.
a 7.65 Walther has plenty of wall thickness on the barrel to have the inner threads done. Most suppressor companies can made you an adapter to use their can or you can have a machine shop/gunsmith make one for about $150.00
There are some companies that will thread a barrel internally, but it's not an option for long term shooting. It reduces the rifled area of the barrel and therefore accuracy and it also weakens it far more than adding an extension. The major downside is powder fouling gathering in the thread which is almost impossible to clean out and leads to corrosion over time.
You couldn't pay me to shoot a live round out of an internally-threaded barrel. Reducing accuracy and barrel fouling are the least of your worries. Can you say barrel obstruction? Marring a barrel's crown alone disrupts accuracy, much less threading the inside where the rifling ends. Internally-threaded barrels are strictly for Hollywood.
32 and 380 aren't really made for distance and your average gun fight is is up close and personal. I would doubt the accuracy would be so affected at only 1-5 yards.
There are some companies that will thread a barrel internally, but it's not an option for long term shooting. It reduces the rifled area of the barrel and therefore accuracy and it also weakens it far more than adding an extension. The major downside is powder fouling gathering in the thread which is almost impossible to clean out and leads to corrosion over time.
You couldn't pay me to shoot a live round out of an internally-threaded barrel. Reducing accuracy and barrel fouling are the least of your worries. Can you say barrel obstruction? Marring a barrel's crown alone disrupts accuracy, much less threading the inside where the rifling ends. Internally-threaded barrels are strictly for Hollywood.
32 and 380 aren't really made for distance and your average gun fight is is up close and personal. I would doubt the accuracy would be so affected at only 1-5 yards.
When a gunsmith enlarges the inside muzzle end of the barrel and thread it, they cut an internal crown behind the threads. Barrel length has almost nothing to do with accuracy. It has everything to do with bullet velocity.
Easy there, tactical gurus (this is why I hate typed discussions, things tend to be TOO black and white).
With due respect to all of your knowledge, the internal threading and matching suppressors shown in pics of movie guns probably isn't the live-weapon internal barrel threading you're eluding to.
Sure, with a thicker-walled barrel, one could countersink the threads to allow the unimpeded passage of a projectile. At that point the suppressor's coupling would also have to be thin enough not to interfere with the bullet's flight. Too thin, and it wouldn't be strong enough to support the suppressor in the barrel.
As it pertains to pics of 007 prop guns, a projectile wouldn't even be able to overcome the step of the suppressor nipple screwed into the barrel. So I'd say that the internal barrel threads probably aren't countersunk simply because they have no need to be for blanks.
I'm sure that they use internal threads in the prop guns for ease of use. Especially on the urethane stunt guns. If they were externally threaded, the threads would strip and the protruding barrel would/could get broken off during filming.
I'm sure that they use internal threads in the prop guns for ease of use. Especially on the urethane stunt guns. If they were externally threaded, the threads would strip and the protruding barrel would/could get broken off during filming.
Yup. That, it's cheaper and easier to modify real guns that way, and barrel extensions don't look nearly as sexy on screen.
An interesting addition for your PPK, found this on the web seems someone was trying to commission a design company to create one of these - wasn't anyone on here was it?
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
An interesting addition for your PPK, found this on the web seems someone was trying to commission a design company to create one of these - wasn't anyone on here was it?
Cheers :007)
I vaguely remember someone on here or the RPF making these, I want to say his handle was something to the effect of Quartermaster Jim, or TheQuartermaster. I know he made a fantastic functional one off of the Golden Gun
Hey guys would you please provide input on which one you think looks more SA to what ppk bond usses? Daniel Craig Bond
i know he uses a matte black one, but has he ever used a silver one too?
Just to make sure as a just purchased the holster ib 333 and i wanna buy a replica ppk
number 1 or number 2?
hehe
Black all the way no self respecting agent would ever use a bright metal weapon on covert ops.
You need to get yourself a copy of The Most Famous Gun in the World then you would never have to ask again
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
wonder if this guy still makes the grips. Not really wanting to send a real PPK to him as I don't know him from Adam though.
It loooks like some years ago but I was wondering the same or if he ever created the site he mentions. Did anyone ever order one here - look kind of cool as a presentation piece.
Cheers :007)
My name is Bond, Basildon Bond - I have letters after my name!
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I've heard these referred to as "stab vests" on a couple of occasions, rather than body armour. I don't know what they're made of, or if they could stop a bullet, but UK police would be more likely to get stabbed with a knife or bottle etc than shot.
Anyone with a real or mock suppressor, how does it mount on yours?
The screen PPK barrels are threaded internally with an M9 thread. This serves two purposes. One, you can fit a dummy suppressor which is also M9 threaded and Two, the barrel can be fitted with an insert called a restrictor which drastically reduces the bore of the weapon which allows the build up of back pressure gasses which makes blank round discharge & slide blow back possible -{
Real suppressors thread onto the outside of barrels and yes those barrels are "factory" extended/threaded. That is to say they are produced as a longer unit. Walther halt production of their standard barrels to produce the barrels which are externally threaded. If your weapon is still live? it is not a good idea to have a barrel extended for the purpose of fitting a suppressor as the unit will never be as strong/safe as a unit which has been made for purpose.
Pierce Brosnan's screen used suppressed PPK
Yes, my firearms are live. What part of the firearm would be weakened? I've also heard of people replacing the barrel with one from a PP to achieve the extention
Any additional reading material you would recommend? I'd really like to learn about the rare and unusual PPKs, limited runs, etc.
I'd recommend a copy of Walther Eine Deutsche Legende by Manfred Kersten which you can also obtain in English I believe from Walther.com themselves -{
That's not necessarily true. If you use a good and reputable armourer that specialises in this kind of conversion, then barrel obstruction isn't a problem at all and it's a safe method. PPK's in .22 and .32 are actually quite good pistols for this conversion. Internal barrel threading has been happening for decades and was far more common in small automatics than external threading some 70 years back. It's perfectly safe.
When I was working with the Govt, Interarms used to get us in BHP's and neuter them. They would put them on a mill, completely remove the serial # from the front strap, another guy would weld it back up then stipple it. They would also remove all lettering from the slide and rest of frame. When the guns were done, you couldn't tell they had all that work done to them.
32 and 380 aren't really made for distance and your average gun fight is is up close and personal. I would doubt the accuracy would be so affected at only 1-5 yards.
When a gunsmith enlarges the inside muzzle end of the barrel and thread it, they cut an internal crown behind the threads. Barrel length has almost nothing to do with accuracy. It has everything to do with bullet velocity.
With due respect to all of your knowledge, the internal threading and matching suppressors shown in pics of movie guns probably isn't the live-weapon internal barrel threading you're eluding to.
Sure, with a thicker-walled barrel, one could countersink the threads to allow the unimpeded passage of a projectile. At that point the suppressor's coupling would also have to be thin enough not to interfere with the bullet's flight. Too thin, and it wouldn't be strong enough to support the suppressor in the barrel.
As it pertains to pics of 007 prop guns, a projectile wouldn't even be able to overcome the step of the suppressor nipple screwed into the barrel. So I'd say that the internal barrel threads probably aren't countersunk simply because they have no need to be for blanks.
Cheers :007)
I vaguely remember someone on here or the RPF making these, I want to say his handle was something to the effect of Quartermaster Jim, or TheQuartermaster. I know he made a fantastic functional one off of the Golden Gun
https://youtu.be/5I8okgJw9RU
Cheers :007)
i know he uses a matte black one, but has he ever used a silver one too?
Just to make sure as a just purchased the holster ib 333 and i wanna buy a replica ppk
number 1 or number 2?
hehe
cheers
You need to get yourself a copy of The Most Famous Gun in the World then you would never have to ask again
Cheers :007)
Cheers :007)
Screen used gun. Copy not even close! Remember the PPKS was a completely fabricated weapon not a set of grips fitted to a practical weapon -{