"...the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way. Still, Nolan’s feat is undeniable: He’s made an immersive war movie that celebrates the good of mankind while also making it clear that no victory is without sacrifice."
No right-wing propaganda there; just some absurd pandering in an otherwise positive review. That paper is pretty much the opposite of right-wing. Obviously.
On a less divisive note, I'm very much looking forward to this one! -{
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I'm looking forward to seeing this. I knew a British general when I served on the AFSOUTH Naples NATO base in the 1970's who had come out of Sandhurst just before Dunkirk. Some of the stories he told us were just hair raising. Still can't believe they survived through all of those years. You could still see the pain in his face while he was reminiscing. Same with an RAF colonel who told me about his bombing runs over Germany. Any one of their stories would make a great film.
"...the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way. Still, Nolan’s feat is undeniable: He’s made an immersive war movie that celebrates the good of mankind while also making it clear that no victory is without sacrifice."
No right-wing propaganda there; just some absurd pandering in an otherwise positive review. That paper is pretty much the opposite of right-wing. Obviously.
On a less divisive note, I'm very much looking forward to this one! -{
While I agree the comment in US Today is stupid, I have just learnt in a history forum that 165 female nurses were evacuated from Dunkirk.
"...the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way. Still, Nolan’s feat is undeniable: He’s made an immersive war movie that celebrates the good of mankind while also making it clear that no victory is without sacrifice."
No right-wing propaganda there; just some absurd pandering in an otherwise positive review. That paper is pretty much the opposite of right-wing. Obviously.
On a less divisive note, I'm very much looking forward to this one! -{
Thanks, and I read this review before, if this is the best that there is then it all sounds like "fake news" after all. The key word here is "may". The reviewer is certainly not criticizing the movie for its lack of diversity at all, just speculates that some other people might not like it. And those fears to not appear to have materialised...
I do not know what is to fear. If there were no black soldiers with the British army at Dunkirk that is the end of the story. This is history. I think it is better to ask black people or other 'coloured' people what they think about the lack of diversity in this film. I think then you would get the real answer. The only people who could say anything with actual meaning are the Indian people. Still then it would only be correct to have perhaps one or two Indian men in the crowd.
My opinion has already been said but to put people who were not at the real battle is foolish and disrespects the soldiers who were at Dunkirk.
While I agree the comment in US Today is stupid, I have just learnt in a history forum that 165 female nurses were evacuated from Dunkirk.
I think it would be obvious that women nurses would have been in France with the British army at these times as they were I know in World War One. To have a face of a woman or perhaps two in the crowd (and I mean white women) would be correct to history. I think it is always easy for people who make films to take real history and make it into something which is not correct. People seeing films then think that this is correct so the real history can soon be lost. I know that the holocaust of the Jewish people is not taught in the schools any more. I think this is wrong also. It is to make like to change history and make the young not know what happened. If they do not know what happens in the past they cannot stop this from happening again.
I know I post again but I think the story of Paddy Ashdown's father at Dunkirk would make a good film or drama for TV and it would be real to history and to respect the Indian soldiers who were also there.
I find this. It is a very interesting report. Also see the photograph number four. There were African soldiers in the French army at that time of Dunkirk. I still think that that no complaint should be made because no Africans in the British army at that time.
The British Army actually had around 10,000 soldiers from the carribean during ww2, but they were not present yet at the time of Dunkirk, The BWIR ( British West Indian Regiment) were active during ww1 on the Western Front
The British Army actually had around 10,000 soldiers from the carribean during ww2, but they were not present yet at the time of Dunkirk, The BWIR ( British West Indian Regiment) were active during ww1 on the Western Front
I am not sure of the real number but I think almost one million African soldiers fought for the British in WW2. I saw only a few weeks ago a TV documentary about African soldiers fighting the Japanese for the British. I think also Africans served in North Africa for the British also but I am not sure of this.
Still No Africans or other black soldiers served at Dunkirk with the British.
The service of African regiments I think is lost in many accounts of the war. From what I read I think they served bravely and were valued as soldiers by the British.
A little thing I picked up in " odd facts" that there are no
Sergeants in the RAF, but rather warrant officers ?
They have warrant officers in the army and navy too, they are basically non commissioned officers who earn there rank and receive the Queens warrant or kings warrant when we have one. the Raf do have sergeants and flight sergeants both of these ranks are both non commissioned officers, if that info is any use to you?
A little thing I picked up in " odd facts" that there are no
Sergeants in the RAF, but rather warrant officers ?
There are plenty of Sgts in the RAF.
The last Sgt pilots were in the late 40s early 50s when it was decided that because of nuclear weapons all pilots had to be commissioned, some Master Pilots (a lot of the Poles who stayed in Britain) remained in training branches until the 60s.
I have to admit, I'm a little annoyed with BBC radio 4
Where I got that little fact ! ..... they're usually so
Reliable
I thought I'd found a great quiz question.
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Without spoiling anything major in the movie, Christopher Nolan chose to narrow in tightly to the set of stories taking place and left out the wider scope as you'd see for example in A Bridge Too Far or even something as recent as Inglourious Basterds in which you saw what was going on from the German perspective. I actually think that the movie could have been done on a grander scale since every aspect about the Dunkirk event was about volume (the hundreds of thousands of stranded Brits, the size of the advancing German forces, the sheer number of civilian vessels involved, etc.), which I'm sure was a choice Nolan was aware of, but elected to not do. Even the officer played by Kenneth Branagh was uncertain most of the time of what was going on, surely to heighten the feeling of isolation and abandonment.
So, if there were recorded, instances of women or people of color, if any, playing a significant role in the retreat of Dunkirk, the specific scenarios presented in the movie didn't have room so to speak to yield to that focus. Otherwise, it would have been a movie about Dunkirk from the perspective of the marginalized, which would have taken away too much from the main aspect of that event.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
Without spoiling anything major in the movie, Christopher Nolan chose to narrow in tightly to the set of stories taking place and left out the wider scope as you'd see for example in A Bridge Too Far or even something as recent as Inglourious Basterds in which you saw what was going on from the German perspective. I actually think that the movie could have been done on a grander scale since every aspect about the Dunkirk event was about volume (the hundreds of thousands of stranded Brits, the size of the advancing German forces, the sheer number of civilian vessels involved, etc.), which I'm sure was a choice Nolan was aware of, but elected to not do. Even the officer played by Kenneth Branagh was uncertain most of the time of what was going on, surely to heighten the feeling of isolation and abandonment.
So, if there were recorded, instances of women or people of color, if any, playing a significant role in the retreat of Dunkirk, the specific scenarios presented in the movie didn't have room so to speak to yield to that focus. Otherwise, it would have been a movie about Dunkirk from the perspective of the marginalized, which would have taken away too much from the main aspect of that event.
And, I think, this is why we have NOT actually seen any real complaints about the marginalized minorities being overlooked in the movie. It appears that the big picture is the focus here.
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Exactly! It's a non-issue! Alternatively, revisionists can hope for a future release of Dunkirk the Musical...from the producers of Hamilton!
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
I don't think any revisionists have risen yet... It was the usual anti-PC crowd who expected some uproar, they must be really disappointed.
So, are you saying that it’s the “anti-PC crowd” making something out of nothing, and not this reviewer who did the PC pot-stirring in the first place?
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
What I am saying is that a single reviewer wrote one sentence expressing a hypothesis (note the word "may"!) and the anti-PC crowd reacted hysterically, instead of reading the review in its entirety.
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What I am saying is that a single reviewer wrote one sentence expressing a hypothesis (note the word "may"!) and the anti-PC crowd reacted hysterically, instead of reading the review in its entirety.
Apparently, for all this review was worth, this person chose to pick a raw nerve that's been agitated lately by the "too white Hollywood" protestations, some of which are warranted while some other expressions like in this case, are over-reach. I find it ridiculous how you can fault those who this reviewer obviously, deliberately intended to goad just as there are dozens of other reputable news outlets that picked up on precisely the same thing about this USA Today review...whom must be all at fault for also overlooking THAT review's other points about the movie.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
I am not the anti PC crowd. I am a black African. No black soldiers were with the British army at Dunkirk. This is truth, so why does it have to be said so if it is against the real history? I am not offended that no black men are in this film because they wasn't there during this time. If there were black soldiers at Dunkirk then I would have expected to see even only one or two in the film, but there weren't. I would like to see if only one Indian face in the crowd as they were at Dunkirk, but only a few. I saw on the television that they are to make the Battle of Britain film again. This too should be the correct history. There were many men from nations all over the Europe and the world who was with the RAF, but no black pilots from Africa or other places. Should I be offended when I see none? I am more offended to see real history to be turned (I don't know the word to use) to make things 'PC'!
I say this before. I wonder if those doing the writing about this are black or white? If they are black then they are ignorant of the history. If they are white they are ignorant of the history or just want to ignore the history.
I saw the film last night and was in tears at the end, it's brilliant. Tom Hardy as others have said is awesome. How he portrays his feelings/emotions as a fighter pilot by use of his eyes only is amazing. I'll definitely see this film again in an IMAX theatre though next time around.
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Sorry to disappoint, but it was this review from USA TODAY:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/07/17/review-christopher-nolan-excellent-dunkirk-explores-heroism-innovative-fashion/482574001/
"...the fact that there are only a couple of women and no lead actors of color may rub some the wrong way. Still, Nolan’s feat is undeniable: He’s made an immersive war movie that celebrates the good of mankind while also making it clear that no victory is without sacrifice."
No right-wing propaganda there; just some absurd pandering in an otherwise positive review. That paper is pretty much the opposite of right-wing. Obviously.
On a less divisive note, I'm very much looking forward to this one! -{
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
While I agree the comment in US Today is stupid, I have just learnt in a history forum that 165 female nurses were evacuated from Dunkirk.
Thanks, and I read this review before, if this is the best that there is then it all sounds like "fake news" after all. The key word here is "may". The reviewer is certainly not criticizing the movie for its lack of diversity at all, just speculates that some other people might not like it. And those fears to not appear to have materialised...
My opinion has already been said but to put people who were not at the real battle is foolish and disrespects the soldiers who were at Dunkirk.
I think it would be obvious that women nurses would have been in France with the British army at these times as they were I know in World War One. To have a face of a woman or perhaps two in the crowd (and I mean white women) would be correct to history. I think it is always easy for people who make films to take real history and make it into something which is not correct. People seeing films then think that this is correct so the real history can soon be lost. I know that the holocaust of the Jewish people is not taught in the schools any more. I think this is wrong also. It is to make like to change history and make the young not know what happened. If they do not know what happens in the past they cannot stop this from happening again.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov/08/patrickwintour
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4731202/Allied-POWs-captured-evacuation-Dunkirk.html?ito=social-facebook
I am not sure of the real number but I think almost one million African soldiers fought for the British in WW2. I saw only a few weeks ago a TV documentary about African soldiers fighting the Japanese for the British. I think also Africans served in North Africa for the British also but I am not sure of this.
Still No Africans or other black soldiers served at Dunkirk with the British.
The service of African regiments I think is lost in many accounts of the war. From what I read I think they served bravely and were valued as soldiers by the British.
http://www.memoriesofwar.org.uk/page_id__24.aspx
The was a very moving review of the film from a Canadian Vet of Dunkirk.
Who gave the film a glowing tribute.
That would be a Wing Commander (Lt Col equivalent) or Group Captain ( Col equivalent) no colonel ranks in the RAF
Sergeants in the RAF, but rather warrant officers ?
This is very interesting. Thank you.
I find this from the RAF
https://www.raf.mod.uk/organisation/ranks.cfm
I think some pilots in the RAF in WW2 were also sergeants. I have seen this on documentarys.
There are plenty of Sgts in the RAF.
The last Sgt pilots were in the late 40s early 50s when it was decided that because of nuclear weapons all pilots had to be commissioned, some Master Pilots (a lot of the Poles who stayed in Britain) remained in training branches until the 60s.
Where I got that little fact ! ..... they're usually so
Reliable
I thought I'd found a great quiz question.
So, if there were recorded, instances of women or people of color, if any, playing a significant role in the retreat of Dunkirk, the specific scenarios presented in the movie didn't have room so to speak to yield to that focus. Otherwise, it would have been a movie about Dunkirk from the perspective of the marginalized, which would have taken away too much from the main aspect of that event.
And, I think, this is why we have NOT actually seen any real complaints about the marginalized minorities being overlooked in the movie. It appears that the big picture is the focus here.
Apparently, for all this review was worth, this person chose to pick a raw nerve that's been agitated lately by the "too white Hollywood" protestations, some of which are warranted while some other expressions like in this case, are over-reach. I find it ridiculous how you can fault those who this reviewer obviously, deliberately intended to goad just as there are dozens of other reputable news outlets that picked up on precisely the same thing about this USA Today review...whom must be all at fault for also overlooking THAT review's other points about the movie.
I say this before. I wonder if those doing the writing about this are black or white? If they are black then they are ignorant of the history. If they are white they are ignorant of the history or just want to ignore the history.
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