Imagine James Bond having this reaction when he opens the box and sees his new jumper....
"Oh, great! The shoulder patches are too close together, I can't possibly wear this! And don't even get me started on the draw-strings...TOO LONG! How can I possibly be seen in public killing bad guys in this? My look is ruined!...it is, it's ruined.
I might as well start dressing like 004 now. That guy has NO fashion sense!"
This argument doesn't make sense... First of all, you could apply that statement to anything. "Oh no, this shirt has four sleeves! How can I possibly be seen blah blah blah..." Sure, he'd wear anything this fictional character is issued/costumed in, but that's it. We're not fictional characters. We're not off fighting baddies. What we ARE doing is spending hundreds of dollars on a garment that isn't even designed right due to cutting corners. Something that can be easily fixed by N Peal going forward.
Secondly, if you DO want to attribute desires to a fictional character, which is a strange thing to do but I digress, then take a look at how Bond is dressed in all the films he's been in. Based on how stylish he has been in in those movies, then yes. Yes, he'd most definitely say that this sweater is too weird for him to be seen in. I mean, I don't see him wearing those weirdly shaped shoulder patches in NTTD, or any other equivalent misshapen costume in any other film. Do you?
Regardless, I don't quite get the option for going to extreme lengths to solve a simple problem. In-house tailoring adds significantly to the cost. Aftermarket tailoring the patches also adds on an unnecessary cost, and may affect the longevity and look of the garment. Simple solution? Just manufacture at least two different size patches (XXS-S, M-XXL), or have a one size patch that is trimmed down during production. That shouldn't significantly affect the overhead, and it shouldn't add unnecessary grief and upset on the consumer's end.
For those that argue in the oversized patch's favor, I have a serious question. Do you honestly prefer having a sweater with an oversized patch, or having something that looks more stylistically proportional? Because if it's the latter, then I don't understand why you'd be against people proposing solutions to fix a problem.
Exactly I bought one of the Tom Ford Harringtons it wasn’t right and Luigi at the Sloane Street store in London took it back to Milan with him and made me a new one tailored to my size free of charge.So it was screen accurate and my size.
Npeal need to stop selling it and make it Screen accurate in every size for everybody
Unlike the TF Harrington, this is not a limited run item made by an ultra high end luxury brand exclusively for a niche group of collectors in this forum. N Peal is out here to sell sweaters. If a few people don’t buy them because the patches aren’t just right, it’s not going to hurt their bottom line.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't N Peal virtually unknown in the global market before their Bond association that began with Skyfall? From what I understand, yes, they were a luxury brand, but their sales significantly spiked and allowed them a global reach after that chance product placement, I mean just take a look at what prices they've been able to command in recent years- sometimes double what they used to charge. Also, take a look at how heavily they bank on their Bond association, down to having a prominent sub-category on their website, as well as now common Bond collaborations.
Am I wrong?
Because if not, then I'd understand if this argument was made with... say Tom Ford. Or Barbour. Or John Lobbs. But not N Peal.
Sure, N Peal wasn't made to service this niche group of collectors, but that's more or less what their international business model has been shifting into.
I wouldn't sweat the details too much, by the time Bond's done wearing the thing, it probably won't even have shoulder padding. After 15 minutes of wear, it will probably be demolished beyond recognition. So if you REALLY want the SA look. you better get the knives, gunfire and blood ready. -{
I keep reiterating that screen accuracy isn't what I'm interested in. In fact, I've said this several times now, but the bar being set isn't even on screen accuracy. It's just on an aesthetically normal look. Something that looks proportional and not stylistically weird. That's it.
If you are willing to spend a few hundred dollars on a sweater that has oversized patches, I'm happy for you. I'm not stopping you. I just wish they offered something more normal looking, and not the result of an admitted corner cutting measure.
Likewise, I wouldn't want to spend 200 on a t-shirt that has the same sleeve pattern for sizes XXS to XXL, movie connection or not.
I seriously can't believe the number of people here that are accepting of an inferior product that costs hundreds of dollars. If you bought a car and the manufacturer cut corners from the model in the showroom, you'd be rightly pissed. This is no different. -{
Pussy Galore: “My name is Pussy Galore.”
Bond: “I must be dreaming.”
I have not made a final decision yet, I will be anxious to hear the input of those that receive their jumpers this week, that said, I'm really glad that I'm at least a Large perhaps an X-Large )
I seriously can't believe the number of people here that are accepting of an inferior product that costs hundreds of dollars. If you bought a car and the manufacturer cut corners from the model in the showroom, you'd be rightly pissed. This is no different. -{
Personally I’m not getting an ‘army sweater’... I gave back 2 brand new ones when I left the police after 16 years, so can’t justify spending hundreds on one now.
However, the point I want to make is that someone at Npeal should fall on their sword for this, any clothing manufacturer regardless of status knows that you grade patterns, including trims and adjust any relevant ‘jewellery’ also (reduced buttons, shorter zips etc for smaller sizes... )the whole point of this age old process, pretty much since clothing was first made commercially is to scale the proportions of a product... it’s far from rocket science.
I cannot believe someone at the factory let this pass QC, and I think many would have commented anout this obvious mistake, but with commercial pressures etc., I believe it was allowed through hoping for dumb ignorance of the customer...
This is clearly a rush solution they hoped the people wouldn´t care about. Obviously the forum opinions show something different and clearly proven to be a wrong decision to me. Whomever works in a manufacturing industry knows products have to match an specification and to me a product based on a movie has to be SA . Otherwise it is not matching the expected spec and sholud be considered as quality defective. Someone may state it is not quality defective as it might match NP specs, but it doesn´t really matter as long as it doesn´t match CUSTOMER expectation which in this cases seems to be the case. But putting the SA aside and as someone did mention before fashion is all about aesthetics.Scaling is an standard in the textile manufacturing and I cannot understand how NP didn´t scaled patches sizes on purpose except under the previously mentioned rush argument which also doesn´t say anything good about how the launch of this item has been managed. Now the question is whether they will call off sweaters back to fix this or not. I assume it will all depend on how many orders get returned or put on hold. Still many people will buy the sweater the way it is so perhaps the best we can expect is that they fix this in future runs.
For me the jumper looks great in the professional photos of DC tied into the film. From what I’ve seen of the jumper now on sale it’s not so great. I can’t imagine any scenario where I could wear that jumper and feel comfortable so I won’t be buying it.
This is clearly a rush solution they hoped the people wouldn´t care about. Obviously the forum opinions show something different and clearly proven to be a wrong decision to me. Whomever works in a manufacturing industry knows products have to match an specification and to me a product based on a movie has to be SA . Otherwise it is not matching the expected spec and sholud be considered as quality defective. Someone may state it is not quality defective as it might match NP specs, but it doesn´t really matter as long as it doesn´t match CUSTOMER expectation which in this cases seems to be the case. But putting the SA aside and as someone did mention before fashion is all about aesthetics.Scaling is an standard in the textile manufacturing and I cannot understand how NP didn´t scaled patches sizes on purpose except under the previously mentioned rush argument which also doesn´t say anything good about how the launch of this item has been managed. Now the question is whether they will call off sweaters back to fix this or not. I assume it will all depend on how many orders get returned or put on hold. Still many people will buy the sweater the way it is so perhaps the best we can expect is that they fix this in future runs.
Agreed - the fact that they can use the same size patches regardless of the size of the jumper defies belief especially given the price!!! Even cheap brands do not do this. To follow up on earlier comments about a chest pocket being placed centrally - i would say the equivalent is having the same size pocket regardless of the size of shirt - so you could end up with one giant pocket covering the whole of the chest of a size S and a tiny pocket on a large ) If they had to do a rush job and could not meet demand then they should have held off on orders instead of trying to maximise profit. People on here rave about N Peal - I have never purchased from them but the jumper looks dreadful and their response so far leaves a lot to be desired.
Agreed, this silence from them is deafening. I was considering returning this sweater and exchanging it for an entirely different sweater from them instead, but I honestly am a little turned off by how this whole situation is being handled.
Just so I understand this correctly, are we waiting for N Peal to acknowledge the situation, and possibly clarify what direction they plan to go indirectly through someone else's (Zaritsky?) vlog? This is playing out like a PR nightmare...
Gang,
Adam and Rebecca (their designer) have heard many emails from me complete with pictures and comparisons. Adam is going to have N.Peal do a review/explanation but the short of it is that the patches are the same size down the size range - patches on the large is same as medium and is the same as the small, etc. So with more material the sweater will look more like it did on Craig....who by the way wore a large. That's why the patches cover more ribs when I wore the small. I looked at my medium and sure enough this is the case....I hope that makes sense, I am doing this in between running to meetings today. But as I mentioned Adam and team will be doing their own explanation.
We will do a full review so it’s all crystal clear
N Peal’s response was relayed through David here.
I’m yet to be convinced that the L or XL will have correct size patches and I’m looking forward to seeing some photos here when orders arrive...
I'm not exactly sure why I am the target here in some of these comments. N.Peal is not waiting to go through me....I have been on this forum for a long time and when there are concerns I try to get some clarity and communication. That's what I am attempting to do.
I personally think some people need to calm down and allow N. Peal a chance to resolve the situation - it has only been two days since VIP access to purchase the sweater and it has not even been launched yet on general sale. If you are not happy with how they intend to resolve it, then get a refund or don't buy the sweater - simple!
I'm not exactly sure why I am the target here in some of these comments. N.Peal is not waiting to go through me....I have been on this forum for a long time and when there are concerns I try to get some clarity and communication. That's what I am attempting to do.
Well said David your video was very informative thank you. You always do your best to pass on information, it’s not like you designed the item it was just a great review. Keep up the fantastic work, thanks
I'm not exactly sure why I am the target here in some of these comments. N.Peal is not waiting to go through me....I have been on this forum for a long time and when there are concerns I try to get some clarity and communication. That's what I am attempting to do.
Well said David your video was very informative thank you. You always do your best to pass on information, it’s not like you designed the item it was just a great review. Keep up the fantastic work, thanks
I'm not exactly sure why I am the target here in some of these comments. N.Peal is not waiting to go through me....I have been on this forum for a long time and when there are concerns I try to get some clarity and communication. That's what I am attempting to do.
I hope you didn’t think my response was “targeting” you in any sort of way. My response was to Miles and I only mentioned you as a reference point, merely trying to say you have a channel to discuss the finer details of all the clothing that is released which we all love to watch and discuss and that we should be granted the opportunity on this forum too.
I have been a subscriber for a long time and love the videos you do and the effort and detail you put in to them.
As I have decided not to buy the jumper on this occasion I’ll say no more. And I have removed my post in case it offended anyone.
I'm not exactly sure why I am the target here in some of these comments. N.Peal is not waiting to go through me....I have been on this forum for a long time and when there are concerns I try to get some clarity and communication. That's what I am attempting to do.
Like HarveyMushman, I too hope my posts didn't come off as attacks on you. When I brought you up in my last post, it was only in reference to N Peal going through an intermediary instead of directly addressing this through their social media channels/emails. I appreciate what you've done for this community, as do we all, and the only bone I have to pick with you is the damage you've done to my wallet!
Anyway, Peakey makes a good point in that it has only been two days. I'm sure we all got swept up in the furor, so let's let calmer heads prevail and see what N Peal's response is.
This thread has turned to all out absurdity. If you want an “SA” sweater because you’re a serious collector, buy the large. If you want to wear the thing, buy your size and accept the fact that even if it were a perfect match, you’re still not Daniel Craig so it’s not going to look “SA” anyhow! Some of you have lost the plot! )
Amen! I will get my sweater today, and can't wait for it. I guess I'm in the minority but I won't be counting the ribs, or measuring the patches. Thank you David for the great review, so I knew what size to order.
Jumpers arrived just now.
I ordered both size M and L (my usual size).
Confirming that the shoulder patch is ~17cm wide no matter which size you get.
Drawstring-length is fine (not that it bothered me anyway).
But another thing arose: I find the hole for the head surprisingly small.
And sizing down from my usual Large to a Medium was definitely worth it, the M fits SA for me.
There we have it, it looks like 8 ribs between the patches for the Medium and 10 for the Large with the same size patch. I think the one in the DC film posters has 14 ribs. What does it matter anyway? if you're happy then that's all that matters. Enjoy your jumper -{
Jumpers arrived just now.
I ordered both size M and L (my usual size).
Confirming that the shoulder patch is ~17cm wide no matter which size you get.
Drawstring-length is fine (not that it bothered me anyway).
But another thing arose: I find the hole for the head surprisingly small.
And sizing down from my usual Large to a Medium was definitely worth it, the M fits SA for me.
There we have it, it looks like 8 ribs between the patches for the Medium and 10 for the Large with the same size patch. I think the one in the DC film posters has 14 ribs. What does it matter anyway? if you're happy then that's all that matters. Enjoy your jumper -{
Thanks. Only thing important was that the patches don‘t look too „bulky“ (or eye-catchy) what they are definitely not. So I‘m happy and astonished by N.Peal‘s fast order processing and shipping.
This thread has turned to all out absurdity. If you want an “SA” sweater because you’re a serious collector, buy the large. If you want to wear the thing, buy your size and accept the fact that even if it were a perfect match, you’re still not Daniel Craig so it’s not going to look “SA” anyhow! Some of you have lost the plot! )
Amen! I will get my sweater today, and can't wait for it. I guess I'm in the minority but I won't be counting the ribs, or measuring the patches. Thank you David for the great review, so I knew what size to order.
Alright.... So for everyone who is NOT freaking out about screen accuracy, but IS freaking out about functionality of these "longer than standard" shoulder patches.... I found this pic that should end the discussion pretty quick. Patches are added on areas of excessive wear. As you can see in this pic, the shoulder strap of the gun is laid right on top of that "longer than normal" patch area. In summary, from a functionality point of view, they make sense and serve a purpose. {:)
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This argument doesn't make sense... First of all, you could apply that statement to anything. "Oh no, this shirt has four sleeves! How can I possibly be seen blah blah blah..." Sure, he'd wear anything this fictional character is issued/costumed in, but that's it. We're not fictional characters. We're not off fighting baddies. What we ARE doing is spending hundreds of dollars on a garment that isn't even designed right due to cutting corners. Something that can be easily fixed by N Peal going forward.
Secondly, if you DO want to attribute desires to a fictional character, which is a strange thing to do but I digress, then take a look at how Bond is dressed in all the films he's been in. Based on how stylish he has been in in those movies, then yes. Yes, he'd most definitely say that this sweater is too weird for him to be seen in. I mean, I don't see him wearing those weirdly shaped shoulder patches in NTTD, or any other equivalent misshapen costume in any other film. Do you?
Regardless, I don't quite get the option for going to extreme lengths to solve a simple problem. In-house tailoring adds significantly to the cost. Aftermarket tailoring the patches also adds on an unnecessary cost, and may affect the longevity and look of the garment. Simple solution? Just manufacture at least two different size patches (XXS-S, M-XXL), or have a one size patch that is trimmed down during production. That shouldn't significantly affect the overhead, and it shouldn't add unnecessary grief and upset on the consumer's end.
For those that argue in the oversized patch's favor, I have a serious question. Do you honestly prefer having a sweater with an oversized patch, or having something that looks more stylistically proportional? Because if it's the latter, then I don't understand why you'd be against people proposing solutions to fix a problem.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't N Peal virtually unknown in the global market before their Bond association that began with Skyfall? From what I understand, yes, they were a luxury brand, but their sales significantly spiked and allowed them a global reach after that chance product placement, I mean just take a look at what prices they've been able to command in recent years- sometimes double what they used to charge. Also, take a look at how heavily they bank on their Bond association, down to having a prominent sub-category on their website, as well as now common Bond collaborations.
Am I wrong?
Because if not, then I'd understand if this argument was made with... say Tom Ford. Or Barbour. Or John Lobbs. But not N Peal.
Sure, N Peal wasn't made to service this niche group of collectors, but that's more or less what their international business model has been shifting into.
I wouldn't sweat the details too much, by the time Bond's done wearing the thing, it probably won't even have shoulder padding. After 15 minutes of wear, it will probably be demolished beyond recognition. So if you REALLY want the SA look. you better get the knives, gunfire and blood ready. -{
I keep reiterating that screen accuracy isn't what I'm interested in. In fact, I've said this several times now, but the bar being set isn't even on screen accuracy. It's just on an aesthetically normal look. Something that looks proportional and not stylistically weird. That's it.
If you are willing to spend a few hundred dollars on a sweater that has oversized patches, I'm happy for you. I'm not stopping you. I just wish they offered something more normal looking, and not the result of an admitted corner cutting measure.
Likewise, I wouldn't want to spend 200 on a t-shirt that has the same sleeve pattern for sizes XXS to XXL, movie connection or not.
Bond: “I must be dreaming.”
K
Exactly. -{
However, the point I want to make is that someone at Npeal should fall on their sword for this, any clothing manufacturer regardless of status knows that you grade patterns, including trims and adjust any relevant ‘jewellery’ also (reduced buttons, shorter zips etc for smaller sizes... )the whole point of this age old process, pretty much since clothing was first made commercially is to scale the proportions of a product... it’s far from rocket science.
I cannot believe someone at the factory let this pass QC, and I think many would have commented anout this obvious mistake, but with commercial pressures etc., I believe it was allowed through hoping for dumb ignorance of the customer...
Agreed - the fact that they can use the same size patches regardless of the size of the jumper defies belief especially given the price!!! Even cheap brands do not do this. To follow up on earlier comments about a chest pocket being placed centrally - i would say the equivalent is having the same size pocket regardless of the size of shirt - so you could end up with one giant pocket covering the whole of the chest of a size S and a tiny pocket on a large
Just so I understand this correctly, are we waiting for N Peal to acknowledge the situation, and possibly clarify what direction they plan to go indirectly through someone else's (Zaritsky?) vlog? This is playing out like a PR nightmare...
N Peal’s response was relayed through David here.
I’m yet to be convinced that the L or XL will have correct size patches and I’m looking forward to seeing some photos here when orders arrive...
Well said David your video was very informative thank you. You always do your best to pass on information, it’s not like you designed the item it was just a great review. Keep up the fantastic work, thanks
Ditto -{
I hope you didn’t think my response was “targeting” you in any sort of way. My response was to Miles and I only mentioned you as a reference point, merely trying to say you have a channel to discuss the finer details of all the clothing that is released which we all love to watch and discuss and that we should be granted the opportunity on this forum too.
I have been a subscriber for a long time and love the videos you do and the effort and detail you put in to them.
As I have decided not to buy the jumper on this occasion I’ll say no more. And I have removed my post in case it offended anyone.
Thanks all.
HM
Like HarveyMushman, I too hope my posts didn't come off as attacks on you. When I brought you up in my last post, it was only in reference to N Peal going through an intermediary instead of directly addressing this through their social media channels/emails. I appreciate what you've done for this community, as do we all, and the only bone I have to pick with you is the damage you've done to my wallet!
Anyway, Peakey makes a good point in that it has only been two days. I'm sure we all got swept up in the furor, so let's let calmer heads prevail and see what N Peal's response is.
I ordered both size M and L (my usual size).
Confirming that the shoulder patch is ~17cm wide no matter which size you get.
Drawstring-length is fine (not that it bothered me anyway).
But another thing arose: I find the hole for the head surprisingly small.
And sizing down from my usual Large to a Medium was definitely worth it, the M fits SA for me.
IG: @thebondarchives
Check it out, you won’t be disappointed
There we have it, it looks like 8 ribs between the patches for the Medium and 10 for the Large with the same size patch. I think the one in the DC film posters has 14 ribs. What does it matter anyway? if you're happy then that's all that matters. Enjoy your jumper -{
Thanks. Only thing important was that the patches don‘t look too „bulky“ (or eye-catchy) what they are definitely not. So I‘m happy and astonished by N.Peal‘s fast order processing and shipping.
Will keep them.
IG: @thebondarchives
Check it out, you won’t be disappointed
+1 -{
What is the length of sleeves in size L? Do the other measurements match those on the N Peal size guide?
sa shoulder patches should be on the xxl then.
would love to know that too! inculding the shoulder-width, thank you
Alright.... So for everyone who is NOT freaking out about screen accuracy, but IS freaking out about functionality of these "longer than standard" shoulder patches.... I found this pic that should end the discussion pretty quick. Patches are added on areas of excessive wear. As you can see in this pic, the shoulder strap of the gun is laid right on top of that "longer than normal" patch area. In summary, from a functionality point of view, they make sense and serve a purpose. {:)
Well, wha' d' ya know? N. Peal is ahead of curve.