Craig is back: Discuss Bond 25 here

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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,772MI6 Agent
    edited December 2018
    I wouldn’t mind if he wasn’t as bulked-up. I certainly wouldn’t fault him for that.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,806Chief of Staff
    welshboy78 wrote:
    Didn’t we go through all this bull for SPECTRE?

    Yup.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    All he needs to do is drop some pounds by March. He's not training for the light heavyweight boxing title.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,806Chief of Staff
    No, it's more important than that!

    Seriously, I'm sure his physical condition will not be a problem. I'm more worried about the script.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,580MI6 Agent
    Red_Snow wrote:
    Naomie Harris has confirmed her return via a post on her Instagram account.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BrvQqe0Fcye/

    A bit of welcome news. Naomie says: "2019 has me jumping back into action (literally! ☺️) with a thriller in #neworleans directed by @dtfilmtohoop in January, and then going straight into filming #bond25 !!"

    Does that mean she starts on Bond25 in February, or later? I think quite a bit later as she's the lead in the New Orleans movie. Here's its IMDb page https://m.imdb.com/title/tt7390646/?ref_=m_nmfmd_act_2
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    No, it's more important than that!

    Seriously, I'm sure his physical condition will not be a problem. I'm more worried about the script.

    No question. If the script is bad, it won't matter how Craig looks. That's the one thing that we really don't have much of a clue about.
    We now know Madeleine will figure into the story to some extent but not to what extent and how much of a connection to SPECTRE the story may or may not have. It appears the P&W script is in play, but we don't how much, if any of what Hodge and Boyle conjured up will be included. Director, Fukugawa is definitely very much involved in either re-writing or polishing the script....which is probably a good thing IMO. There has been talk of another young, female 00 and a North African or Eastern European villain (or both). I'm probably missing a thing or two but that's about it. The good thing is, Fukugawa seems to have the golden touch these days and appears to be very happy to come on board. I'm 61, at my age, along with the time between Bond films, they need to get another one right before I'm watching from the TV room at the old age home. :s :))
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,806Chief of Staff
    Welcome to my world! :)). My sentiments exactly, Howard.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    No, it's more important than that!

    Seriously, I'm sure his physical condition will not be a problem. I'm more worried about the script.

    No question. If the script is bad, it won't matter how Craig looks. That's the one thing that we really don't have much of a clue about.
    We now know Madeleine will figure into the story to some extent but not to what extent and how much of a connection to SPECTRE the story may or may not have. It appears the P&W script is in play, but we don't how much, if any of what Hodge and Boyle conjured up will be included. Director, Fukugawa is definitely very much involved in either re-writing or polishing the script....which is probably a good thing IMO. There has been talk of another young, female 00 and a North African or Eastern European villain (or both). I'm probably missing a thing or two but that's about it. The good thing is, Fukugawa seems to have the golden touch these days and appears to be very happy to come on board. I'm 61, at my age, along with the time between Bond films, they need to get another one right before I'm watching from the TV room at the old age home. :s :))

    Of course the script is more important, could not agree more. However...we can see Daniel at the moment, but the script is a mystery. Therefore people are bound to comment on what they can see and experience. Also his physical condition has been such a big part of his play as Bond.On a bad day I think it's most of his take as I see very little else, apart from pouting, petulance and no chemistry with female actors (on a good day I do see a lot more)
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Someone wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    Baz Bamigoye says Ben Whishaw will return a s Q in Bond25. He's rarely wrong about Bond.

    Baz had already said that Fukunaga had told him that.

    It's odd that the only online stories I can find about this Ben Whishaw Graham Norton show comment are that Irish site (https://www.breakingnews.ie/showbiz/ben-whishaw-says-he-will-be-back-in-the-next-bond-film-893351.html), which is a Press Association story, and a story on www.jamesbondbrasil.com which has no source but uses a picture it credits to BBC America. Maybe a BBC America press release?

    Please note that Ben Whishaw is wearing the same clothes and is sitting in the Graham Norton studio in the photo in the Breakingnews article, even though the article was published on Thursday. Clearly the show is shot on Thursday, so his Bond comments must have been edited.

    Which is in itself interesting to say the least and a bit odd. I think (like many others) that after all the Spectre leaks and the Boyle debacle and subsequent further delays they are being understandably cautious. It's just frustrating for us, but that's not really their problem. Patience has never been a strong suit of mine but it's an opportunity to develop some :)
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    A recent Instagram photo of Daniel Craig by @capt_defreitas in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. Some are guessing he's taking flying lessons, but my guess us Christmas holliday in the Caribbeans with low-fat food and a lot of training.

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  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,580MI6 Agent
    edited December 2018
    Number24 wrote:
    A recent Instagram photo of Daniel Craig by @capt_defreitas in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. Some are guessing he's taking flying lessons, but my guess us Christmas holliday in the Caribbeans with low-fat food and a lot of training.

    I would imagine it's a holiday after filming Knives Out. DC doesn't strike me as someone who would want to learn to fly. He didn't need to learn to fly for Quantum or Spectre's flight scenes so I doubt there is any implication for Bond25, beyond a nice beach to read the latest version of the script on.

    Only 66 days till the start of filming for Bond25!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    He's not learning to fly, but he is working out. That's my guess, anyway.
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    He's not learning to fly, but he is working out. That's my guess, anyway.

    Might as well be where the weather is warm and sunny. I'm sure DC has access to a gym there. Get a little color from the sun, drop a few lbs. Start getting into the Bond mindset at a Bond type place.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    Yes, that's what I said. :)
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    I remember DC saying that he hated getting fit for each Bond film, and that's one of his least favourite parts of being James Bond.
    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    Next year will be a great year for us Bond fans, especially after a rather frustration 2018. I bet we get more information already in January. What can we expect to learn first?
    More casting?
    More locations?
    The composer?
    I guess the title song artist won't be known for a long time.
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    Absolutely.
    By this time next year we will have title, cast, composer, plus a few trailers.
    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,755MI6 Agent
    I remember DC saying that he hated getting fit for each Bond film, and that's one of his least favourite parts of being James Bond.

    For what he's getting paid, he can bust his arse and eat right for a month or so....being a little lighter and fit can also cut down on injuries. I think he'll do it, not because he likes to do it but because the role demands it and if anything, Craig has a reputation as a pro.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    It will certainly be nice to have principal photography under way! And then of course the leaked rumours, and histrionics -{
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  • The Royale B008The Royale B008 Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    I remember DC saying that he hated getting fit for each Bond film, and that's one of his least favourite parts of being James Bond.

    For what he's getting paid, he can bust his arse and eat right for a month or so....being a little lighter and fit can also cut down on injuries. I think he'll do it, not because he likes to do it but because the role demands it and if anything, Craig has a reputation as a pro.

    Totally agree. Any noise from his previous trainer as to hints that he’s now training? If he’s getting stuck in, he could make good shape. Christian Bale did it from The Machinist to Batman - being too bulked if I recall.

    My concern is that Craig hasn’t got the work ethic to be spending 2/3 hours in the gym, 6 days a week for the next three months. I’d like to think he’d be disappointed with himself if he didn’t aim to go out eclipsing all his previous outings. Connery and Moore were both derided for their last (official ) Bond appearances, yet somehow it can be forgiven in the era those films were made.

    I don’t think it could now. You can almost see the summary of Craig’s tenure if this was the case. “Started well, brought a new physicality to the role, but by his fifth and final outing he looked old and out of shape, staying one film too late”.
    Let’s hope I’m wrong. My point. Average isn’t good enough for Bond. He’s aspirational. He can get away with age. I thought DC looked great, even in the rough hagged scenes in Skyfall. Can’t get away with being out of shape.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    Absolutely.
    By this time next year we will have title, cast, composer, plus a few trailers.

    Yes, but what will happen first? What are we likely to learn in January-February?
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    I reckon we will get some more cast rumours next.
    And then have like a press conference with Fukanaga and Craig by Feb.
    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,298MI6 Agent
    Won't that press conference be in March when the filming starts? I too think we'll know the main cast in a couple of months. I wonder if Christoph Waltz will be in Bond25 and if they'll try to keep it a secret. I'll also be amazed if they manange to keep the main locations secret until filming starts.
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    March, yeah you're probably right.
    “The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
    -Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,351MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    I remember DC saying that he hated getting fit for each Bond film, and that's one of his least favourite parts of being James Bond.

    For what he's getting paid, he can bust his arse and eat right for a month or so....being a little lighter and fit can also cut down on injuries. I think he'll do it, not because he likes to do it but because the role demands it and if anything, Craig has a reputation as a pro.

    Totally agree. Any noise from his previous trainer as to hints that he’s now training? If he’s getting stuck in, he could make good shape. Christian Bale did it from The Machinist to Batman - being too bulked if I recall.

    My concern is that Craig hasn’t got the work ethic to be spending 2/3 hours in the gym, 6 days a week for the next three months. I’d like to think he’d be disappointed with himself if he didn’t aim to go out eclipsing all his previous outings. Connery and Moore were both derided for their last (official ) Bond appearances, yet somehow it can be forgiven in the era those films were made.

    I don’t think it could now. You can almost see the summary of Craig’s tenure if this was the case. “Started well, brought a new physicality to the role, but by his fifth and final outing he looked old and out of shape, staying one film too late”.
    Let’s hope I’m wrong. My point. Average isn’t good enough for Bond. He’s aspirational. He can get away with age. I thought DC looked great, even in the rough hagged scenes in Skyfall. Can’t get away with being out of shape.

    Simon Waterson, his trainer on all four of his Bond films, was with him on location during the filming of Knives Out, which is not an action film.
  • The Royale B008The Royale B008 Posts: 3MI6 Agent

    Simon Waterson, his trainer on all four of his Bond films, was with him on location during the filming of Knives Out, which is not an action film.

    This is encouraging. He’s a smart guy from what I’ve read. If he’s had DC building base muscle with low rep/ heavy weights whilst not altering his appearance too much for Knives Out, switching this up and focusing on good nutrition and a cut should work really well *if* he puts the time in.

    The problem with doing this is timeframe. DC will literally have to eat, train, sleep if he wants best gains. Even then, it’s likely to be pretty gruelling and tedious. I’ve said it before. This is probably why DC hates preparing for Bond so much.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,580MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Absolutely.
    By this time next year we will have title, cast, composer, plus a few trailers.

    Yes, but what will happen first? What are we likely to learn in January-February?

    Thomas Newman wasn't announced for Skyfall until January 2012 in an EON press release, despite the film's launch press conference being in November 2011.
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/bond23/official_thomas_newman_to_score_skyfall.php3

    David Arnold sort of announced Newman was working on Spectre in September 2014
    https://www.thejamesbonddossier.com/news/david-arnold-confirms-thomas-newman-for-bond-24.htm

    Newman wasn't officially confirmed for Spectre until the December start of filming press conference.
    http://filmmusicreporter.com/2014/12/04/thomas-newman-to-score-24th-james-bond-film-spectre/

    Arnold announced on his own website (which doesn't work for me) in late 2007 that he'd be composing Quantum.
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=5450
    The Quantum launch press conference was late January 2008.

    I'd imagine we won't know who the composer is until the Bond25 launch press conference.

    As for casting, even if they keep Blofeld's involvement a secret, whether its Waltz or Strong, I guess we'll get henchmen and henchwomen casting rumours by February, maybe we'll know who this young female MI-6 agent is?

    I don't expect us to know the title until the 4 March start of filming press conference.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent

    Simon Waterson, his trainer on all four of his Bond films, was with him on location during the filming of Knives Out, which is not an action film.

    This is encouraging. He’s a smart guy from what I’ve read. If he’s had DC building base muscle with low rep/ heavy weights whilst not altering his appearance too much for Knives Out, switching this up and focusing on good nutrition and a cut should work really well *if* he puts the time in.

    The problem with doing this is timeframe. DC will literally have to eat, train, sleep if he wants best gains. Even then, it’s likely to be pretty gruelling and tedious. I’ve said it before. This is probably why DC hates preparing for Bond so much.

    It is encouraging as you say. I think Craig has enough professional pride and ego to carry him through. He wont look QOS buff (he over bulked for CR) but there is no need to. As long as he looks and moves well and maintains credibility in any action scenes it should be ok.
    Connery never lacked credibility even when no longer in his prime I never doubted him. We must be able to believe that he can do what is asked of him. He can struggle, and it's in some ways better if he does (Connery again was brilliant at showing this)
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,580MI6 Agent
    Thinking about this female MI-6 agent and who could play her, I think the age range is going to be 25-30. Eva Green, playing Treasury agent Vesper, was 26 in 2006. In Quantum, Olga Kurylenko played ex-Bolivian secret service agent, Camille, when she was 29 in 2008. Gemma Arterton was only 22 and doesn't really count as she was "just an office girl compiling reports." For Skyfall, Naomi Harris, who actually played an MI-6 agent, Eve Moneypenny, was 36 in 2012, but I think she looked a lot younger. Then we have Lea Seydoux, who was 30 for Spectre. Not an agent, but I think the producers think young is 30 and below.

    So, using the fantastic IMDB search engine. Daisy Ridley and Cara Develingne pop up in the search results, but they are probably too well known in other roles. Lily James also appears in the resuts, and she has been rumoured already. But, this may have been because she is in Boyle's new comedy.
    https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/929859/James-Bond-25-Bond-girl-Lily-James-Daniel-Craig-Danny-Boyle-All-You-Need-Is-Love

    Purely on the basis of them 'looking like they might be a young glamorous MI-6 agent,' (and none of them are as tall as Daniel Craig) I'd pick from the IMDB search results;

    Naomi Scott
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4305463/
    She is in the new Charlie's Angel movie, and that started filming in September, so she would be available for March, but will she be too well known for something else for Bond?

    Jodie Comer
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3069650/

    Poppy Drayton
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5014360/
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    Thinking about this female MI-6 agent and who could play her, I think the age range is going to be 25-30. Eva Green, playing Treasury agent Vesper, was 26 in 2006. In Quantum, Olga Kurylenko played ex-Bolivian secret service agent, Camille, when she was 29 in 2008. Gemma Arterton was only 22 and doesn't really count as she was "just an office girl compiling reports." For Skyfall, Naomi Harris, who actually played an MI-6 agent, Eve Moneypenny, was 36 in 2012, but I think she looked a lot younger. Then we have Lea Seydoux, who was 30 for Spectre. Not an agent, but I think the producers think young is 30 and below.

    So, using the fantastic IMDB search engine. Daisy Ridley and Cara Develingne pop up in the search results, but they are probably too well known in other roles. Lily James also appears in the resuts, and she has been rumoured already. But, this may have been because she is in Boyle's new comedy.
    https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/929859/James-Bond-25-Bond-girl-Lily-James-Daniel-Craig-Danny-Boyle-All-You-Need-Is-Love

    Purely on the basis of them 'looking like they might be a young glamorous MI-6 agent,' (and none of them are as tall as Daniel Craig) I'd pick from the IMDB search results;

    Naomi Scott
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4305463/
    She is in the new Charlie's Angel movie, and that started filming in September, so she would be available for March, but will she be too well known for something else for Bond?

    Jodie Comer
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3069650/

    Poppy Drayton
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5014360/
    k

    Thanks for pulling this together. They all seem and look a bit young to me. As we have an older Bond and are already saddled (personal view) with Seydoux's girl child I hope they go more age appropriate- mid 30''s at the very least. Craig and Seydoux just looked plain creepy to me. Recent shots of her suggest that she has not aged at all whereas....Many of my female friends unprompted commented in a similar way. Beloucci's fleeting appearances offset it a bit.

    Jodie Comer however can generate intensity in spades. Hope she does one in the future possibly for the next incarnation.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
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