I think one major weakness of the newer films is the high-frequent location hopping which was noticable in the last two films especially.
I‘d like Bond to spend a large part of the movie in the same regio, e.g. AVTAK or DAD, resulting in only 2-3 locations other than London.
In addition to that, I‘d love to see Bond interact with his environment, and not having it stand as a mere background for the action sequences. The car chase in Rome comes to mind here.
I think one major weakness of the newer films is the high-frequent location hopping which was noticable in the last two films especially.
I‘d like Bond to spend a large part of the movie in the same regio, e.g. AVTAK or DAD, resulting in only 2-3 locations other than London.
In addition to that, I‘d love to see Bond interact with his environment, and not having it stand as a mere background for the action sequences. The car chase in Rome comes to mind here.
I agree. OHMSS stands out as a film which uses its Switzerland long enough to create a certain atmosphere. I hope they're long enough for an atmosphere to be created. I think they did it well in Scotland with Skyfall.
“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
I agree they should emerse Bond and the story in one location, like Turkey in FRWL or or Japan in YOLT. But that doesn't mean they have to cut the number of locations dramatically. Let's say they have the PTS in Norway, then spend a little time with the villan in "Tunisia" and Bond in London. Then (action) scenes in a couple of other locations before we spend the second half of the movie in Japan.
I believe the first 00 kill in Casino Royale was set at a cricket match in Pakistan. That’s what it said on the deleted scene. I doubt it was actually filmed there though.
That's great. I suspect we know of two locations now: Norway and probably Cádiz. My prediction is we'll get Cádiz as Tunisia, a location somewhere in Vestlandet in Norway and 1-2 more locations outside of the UK.
I'd say two more locations, at least. If it's likes Casino, a lot more locations. I'm excluding London from these lists as it's obvious.
CR had, Prague (I assume the toilet where he makes his first kill for 00-status is also in Prague), Uganda, Madagascar, Bahamas, Miami, Montenegro, and Venice. Seven.
While Europe dominates, there usually are also more distant locations, whether that is Africa, the Americas, the Far East or Asia.
If North Africa (Cadiz) and Norway are definite Bond25 locations, there could still be locations in Asia or the Americas that we've yet to learn about.
While CR had seven (non-London) locations, 70% of the movie happens in Eastern Europe, which gives it a feel. Spectre had only four non-London locations but had no feel.
While CR had seven (non-London) locations, 70% of the movie happens in Eastern Europe, which gives it a feel. Spectre had only four non-London locations but had no feel.
Only 39% of it is in Montenegro, not that I checked... ;-)
It's a 140 minute movie and 55 minutes are in Montenegro. At 58 minutes the movie arrives in Montenegro with the train sequence and later Bond wakes up in the clinic after being tortured at 1 hour 53 minutes.
That's great. I suspect we know of two locations now: Norway and probably Cádiz. My prediction is we'll get Cádiz as Tunisia, a location somewhere in Vestlandet in Norway and 1-2 more locations outside of the UK.
I'd say two more locations, at least. If it's likes Casino, a lot more locations. I'm excluding London from these lists as it's obvious.
CR had, Prague (I assume the toilet where he makes his first kill for 00-status is also in Prague), Uganda, Madagascar, Bahamas, Miami, Montenegro, and Venice. Seven.
While Europe dominates, there usually are also more distant locations, whether that is Africa, the Americas, the Far East or Asia.
If North Africa (Cadiz) and Norway are definite Bond25 locations, there could still be locations in Asia or the Americas that we've yet to learn about.
While CR had seven (non-London) locations, 70% of the movie happens in Eastern Europe, which gives it a feel. Spectre had only four non-London locations but had no feel.
But CR's feel is that of the places they filmed: Czech Republic, the Bahamas and Italy. I don't see Miami, Montenegro or Madagascar.
While CR had seven (non-London) locations, 70% of the movie happens in Eastern Europe, which gives it a feel. Spectre had only four non-London locations but had no feel.
Only 39% of it is in Montenegro, not that I checked... ;-)
It's a 140 minute movie and 55 minutes are in Montenegro. At 58 minutes the movie arrives in Montenegro with the train sequence and later Bond wakes up in the clinic after being tortured at 1 hour 53 minutes.
Just to be, precise.
The PTS happens in Eastern Europe, so that's another 10 minutes. The title sequence happens nowhere and that's about five minutes. Then after Bond wakes up they spend most of the rest of the movie sailing around the Adriatic, which is also Eastern Europe and then finishing up in Venice, which while not exactly Eastern Europe is close (Venice is about an hour and half drive from the Slovenian border). So, that's about 92/135 or a little more than two thirds.
The PTS happens in Eastern Europe, so that's another 10 minutes. The title sequence happens nowhere and that's about five minutes. Then after Bond wakes up they spend most of the rest of the movie sailing around the Adriatic, which is also Eastern Europe and then finishing up in Venice, which while not exactly Eastern Europe is close (Venice is about an hour and half drive from the Slovenian border). So, that's about 92/135 or a little more than two thirds.
The PTS is 3 minutes and 50 seconds. Not 10.
For me, the PTS could have been anywhere. There is nothing other than the title used to indicate it's Prague, a city I know well. If you look at the cityscape out of the window behind Dryden in his office it's all modern office blocks, as if it was New York. I've never seen that in Prague, there are only a handful of such buildings there.
If you speak to Czechs, they will tell you they live in central Europe. Russia and some of the former Soviet states are at the eastern end of Europe which ends with the Ural mountains. You could argue Montenegro is central Europe and eastern Europe really starts with Turkey, Belarus and Russia.
After the clinic Bond and Vesper arrive in Venice at 2 hours 2 minutes, so the final 18 minutes are them in Venice and Bond at the mansion on the shore of Lake Como in Italy to shoot Mr White. The time at the clinic is only 9 minutes. If we assume that is also Montenegro, and no info is given, it only adds up to 45% of screen time for Montenegro.
That's a good point. During the cold war we were used to thinking of every country in the Warsaw Pact as "Eastern Europe", but that's not the case. That was a temporary political situation and not based on geography and culture. What countries are in eastern Europe?
I'd say Russia, Ukraine, Bellarus and the Baltic states. Are Rumania and Bulgaria in eastern Europe or in the Balkans?
Many will place Poland, Czech Republic, Slovkia and Hungary in eastern Europe, but like Someone I think those are in Central Europe.
Opinions?
The PTS happens in Eastern Europe, so that's another 10 minutes. The title sequence happens nowhere and that's about five minutes. Then after Bond wakes up they spend most of the rest of the movie sailing around the Adriatic, which is also Eastern Europe and then finishing up in Venice, which while not exactly Eastern Europe is close (Venice is about an hour and half drive from the Slovenian border). So, that's about 92/135 or a little more than two thirds.
The PTS is 3 minutes and 50 seconds. Not 10.
For me, the PTS could have been anywhere. There is nothing other than the title used to indicate it's Prague, a city I know well. If you look at the cityscape out of the window behind Dryden in his office it's all modern office blocks, as if it was New York. I've never seen that in Prague, there are only a handful of such buildings there.
If you speak to Czechs, they will tell you they live in central Europe. Russia and some of the former Soviet states are at the eastern end of Europe which ends with the Ural mountains. You could argue Montenegro is central Europe and eastern Europe really starts with Turkey, Belarus and Russia.
After the clinic Bond and Vesper arrive in Venice at 2 hours 2 minutes, so the final 18 minutes are them in Venice and Bond at the mansion on the shore of Lake Como in Italy to shoot Mr White. The time at the clinic is only 9 minutes. If we assume that is also Montenegro, and no info is given, it only adds up to 45% of screen time for Montenegro.
Drydens office was filmed in Danube House.... In Prague, and the backdrop from his office is quite obviously central prague, when did you last visit?
While CR had seven (non-London) locations, 70% of the movie happens in Eastern Europe, which gives it a feel. Spectre had only four non-London locations but had no feel.
Only 39% of it is in Montenegro, not that I checked... ;-)
It's a 140 minute movie and 55 minutes are in Montenegro. At 58 minutes the movie arrives in Montenegro with the train sequence and later Bond wakes up in the clinic after being tortured at 1 hour 53 minutes.
Just to be, precise.
The PTS happens in Eastern Europe, so that's another 10 minutes. The title sequence happens nowhere and that's about five minutes. Then after Bond wakes up they spend most of the rest of the movie sailing around the Adriatic, which is also Eastern Europe and then finishing up in Venice, which while not exactly Eastern Europe is close (Venice is about an hour and half drive from the Slovenian border). So, that's about 92/135 or a little more than two thirds.
The PTS is not 10 minutes long. It's not even 5 minutes long, and it's debatable whether or not you should count the entire length since the toilet shots do not take place in Europe (though it's treated like a flashback). None of the PTS is in Eastern Europe. The Czech Republic is in Central Europe, not Eastern Europe. Central Europe and Eastern Europe are separated by different histories. You can't group Venice with Eastern Europe just because it's close to it. Right now I am in New York's Upper East Side. I can walk to East Harlem in a few minutes, but it's a very, very different place. They look very different and are primarily inhabited by very different peoples. Just because something is close doesn't mean that it's the same.
The PTS happens in Eastern Europe, so that's another 10 minutes. The title sequence happens nowhere and that's about five minutes. Then after Bond wakes up they spend most of the rest of the movie sailing around the Adriatic, which is also Eastern Europe and then finishing up in Venice, which while not exactly Eastern Europe is close (Venice is about an hour and half drive from the Slovenian border). So, that's about 92/135 or a little more than two thirds.
The PTS is 3 minutes and 50 seconds. Not 10.
For me, the PTS could have been anywhere. There is nothing other than the title used to indicate it's Prague, a city I know well. If you look at the cityscape out of the window behind Dryden in his office it's all modern office blocks, as if it was New York. I've never seen that in Prague, there are only a handful of such buildings there.
If you speak to Czechs, they will tell you they live in central Europe. Russia and some of the former Soviet states are at the eastern end of Europe which ends with the Ural mountains. You could argue Montenegro is central Europe and eastern Europe really starts with Turkey, Belarus and Russia.
After the clinic Bond and Vesper arrive in Venice at 2 hours 2 minutes, so the final 18 minutes are them in Venice and Bond at the mansion on the shore of Lake Como in Italy to shoot Mr White. The time at the clinic is only 9 minutes. If we assume that is also Montenegro, and no info is given, it only adds up to 45% of screen time for Montenegro.
Drydens office was filmed in Danube House.... In Prague, and the backdrop from his office is quite obviously central prague, when did you last visit?
While the PTS was filmed in Prague I found it strange that they didn't use older, more ornate building. In most cities you sometimes see a beautiful building, perhaps one in five or even one in ten. In central Pargue it's the other way round. Perhaps they chose a modern and rather bland building to set it apart from the building style in "Montenegro"?
I think you are probably right number 24, as they used czeck for Montenegro and for M leaving the meeting and also for the hotel in Venice, it gives a nice contrast to the tone of the film and adds to the clinical nature of bonds reason for being there, also, mi6 is hardly liable to lease an office for station cr in a plush historical building, they are almost always the most mundane looking places.
The PTS happens in Eastern Europe, so that's another 10 minutes. The title sequence happens nowhere and that's about five minutes. Then after Bond wakes up they spend most of the rest of the movie sailing around the Adriatic, which is also Eastern Europe and then finishing up in Venice, which while not exactly Eastern Europe is close (Venice is about an hour and half drive from the Slovenian border). So, that's about 92/135 or a little more than two thirds.
The PTS is 3 minutes and 50 seconds. Not 10.
For me, the PTS could have been anywhere. There is nothing other than the title used to indicate it's Prague, a city I know well. If you look at the cityscape out of the window behind Dryden in his office it's all modern office blocks, as if it was New York. I've never seen that in Prague, there are only a handful of such buildings there.
If you speak to Czechs, they will tell you they live in central Europe. Russia and some of the former Soviet states are at the eastern end of Europe which ends with the Ural mountains. You could argue Montenegro is central Europe and eastern Europe really starts with Turkey, Belarus and Russia.
After the clinic Bond and Vesper arrive in Venice at 2 hours 2 minutes, so the final 18 minutes are them in Venice and Bond at the mansion on the shore of Lake Como in Italy to shoot Mr White. The time at the clinic is only 9 minutes. If we assume that is also Montenegro, and no info is given, it only adds up to 45% of screen time for Montenegro.
And the train scene was obviously supposed to take place in Eastern Europe (it has a subtitle Montenegro). What's that? Another 4 minutes and 24 seconds. And Czechoslovakia has always been part of Eastern Europe, no matter what your friends say (nobody wants to admits they live in Eastern Europe--Eastern Europe is whatever is to their country's East.
So I'm still getting about 2/3rds of the movie in Eastern Europe.
"However, we still have the challenge of deciding where that east-west line should be. Let’s be scientific about it. Geologists agree that Eastern Europe ends at the Ural Mountains, which lie hundreds of kilometers east of Moscow. It’s 5,200 kilometers (3,250 miles) from Lisbon, Portugal to Perm, Russia (a city next to the Urals). The halfway point is Wrocław, a Polish city near the German border (see Google map below). If you extend a north-south line through Wrocław, it would cross the Czech Republic, Austria, and western Croatia. Only Slovenia would find itself on the west side of that dividing line (you can hear the Slovenians cheering now). In short, this 50/50 geographical split results in an east-west border that is quite close to the Cold War dividing line."
Yes, but what is central Europe or Eastern Europe has never been determined by a a midway line between the Urals and Lisbon. It can be determined by religion, where the countries with an orthodox christian majority are eastern European. This makes Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Bulgaria and the Balkan states east European.
The other method is holding on to the cold war line, but this only focuses on about 45 years and ignores the rest history.
You can look at languages and call the countries where people speak Slavic languages east European, making Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, possibly Poland and the former Czechoslovakia, the former Yugolavia and Bulgaria into Eastern Europe.
I don't think the discussion about how many percentages of CR is set in eastern Europe is interesting or important, but I think talking about what constitutes eastern Europe is interesting. I think we can agree there is no definition that is "fact" and everyone can agree on.
CR had a feel to it, produced by the mise en scene. It was cold and hard, like Bond. The colors were predominantly blues and grays (the post torture pre-suicide scenes are the exception). Placing the film behind what had been the Iron Curtain recalled Fleming's book and gave the film a groundedness in terms of spies, espionage, deceit, etc.
I don't think the colours in "Montenegro" were cold at all and I don't think the audience thought about the iron curtain at all during thise scenes. The only exoeption being the PTS.
This is a video from ColliderTalk, looks like somekind of movie news podcast. One of them, Jeff Sneider, is supposedly a movie industry insider. Around minute fourty they start talking about James Bond. Honestly they don't seem well informed at all, and Sneider even rambles on about what sounds like he actually believes the code name theory.
Anyway, he claims Fukunaga almost left Bond25 (that would be scandal of epic preportions!) and Henry Cavill will be the next 007 in Bond26.
This is a video from ColliderTalk, looks like somekind of movie news podcast. One of them, Jeff Sneider, is supposedly a movie industry insider. Around minute fourty they start talking about James Bond. Honestly they don't seem well informed at all, and Sneider even rambles on about what sounds like he actually believes the code name theory.
Anyway, he claims Fukunaga almost left Bond25 (that would be scandal of epic preportions!) and Henry Cavill will be the next 007 in Bond26.
The Henry Cavill things probably came from him reading the tabloids, who in turn get their information from opinions on Reddit. For the past decades all rumours for the next Bond come from internet opinions about who should be the next Bond.
And the train scene was obviously supposed to take place in Eastern Europe (it has a subtitle Montenegro). What's that? Another 4 minutes and 24 seconds. And Czechoslovakia has always been part of Eastern Europe, no matter what your friends say (nobody wants to admits they live in Eastern Europe--Eastern Europe is whatever is to their country's East.
So I'm still getting about 2/3rds of the movie in Eastern Europe.
No, I included the train scene in the Montenegro/'eastern/central' Europe segment because the title MONTENEGRO appears the moment we see the train. It's less than 50% of the film whatever you call it. Accept the facts.
I think it's mainly for contrast and the cold nature of Bond's mission. Praha is full of beautiful historical buildings.
Hey Chriscoop, this is central Prague. When was the last time you were in Prague?
Danube House does have a couple of modern office blocks next to it, but the view you would get out of a window at Danbube House is, a, the Vltava river, and , b, a gas station.
This is a video from ColliderTalk, looks like somekind of movie news podcast. One of them, Jeff Sneider, is supposedly a movie industry insider. Around minute fourty they start talking about James Bond. Honestly they don't seem well informed at all, and Sneider even rambles on about what sounds like he actually believes the code name theory.
Anyway, he claims Fukunaga almost left Bond25 (that would be scandal of epic preportions!) and Henry Cavill will be the next 007 in Bond26.
This is a video from ColliderTalk, looks like somekind of movie news podcast. One of them, Jeff Sneider, is supposedly a movie industry insider. Around minute fourty they start talking about James Bond. Honestly they don't seem well informed at all, and Sneider even rambles on about what sounds like he actually believes the code name theory.
Anyway, he claims Fukunaga almost left Bond25 (that would be scandal of epic preportions!) and Henry Cavill will be the next 007 in Bond26.
The Henry Cavill things probably came from him reading the tabloids, who in turn get their information from opinions on Reddit. For the past decades all rumours for the next Bond come from internet opinions about who should be the next Bond.
I watched that too. Bunch of nothing. People who post on the AJB know more about Bond 25 then those Bozos.
And here it comes! Radio Rjukan, a local internet radio station, reports that location people working on Bond25 are considering the Tinn and Rjukan area. This is interesting, because the area is about as far as you can get from a fjord in Norway. But it is cold and snowy and it has a lake that can look like a fjord if need be. If this rumour is true, they are probably going for snow and perhaps skiing. Rjukan many be known to some as the place where the famous heavy water sabotage mission took place back in 1943, but that's hardly relevant. Tinn/Rjukan is the first rumour about where in Norway Bond25 will be shot. Tinn is the municipality and Rjukan is the main village/town in the area. Rjukan is on UNESCO's World Heritage list, mainly because of the industrial history of the area.
Rjukan is also know for the huge mirror in the mountain side, out there to reflect sunlight down to the village at the bottom of the valley. There is also a beautiful waterfall and a cable car going up from Rjukan to the top of a mountain for skiing and sun.
The Tinnsjø lake can look like a boring fjord if they need one, but why not shoot areal one?:
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I‘d like Bond to spend a large part of the movie in the same regio, e.g. AVTAK or DAD, resulting in only 2-3 locations other than London.
In addition to that, I‘d love to see Bond interact with his environment, and not having it stand as a mere background for the action sequences. The car chase in Rome comes to mind here.
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Probably when filming starts and we get some spy photos from set.
While CR had seven (non-London) locations, 70% of the movie happens in Eastern Europe, which gives it a feel. Spectre had only four non-London locations but had no feel.
Only 39% of it is in Montenegro, not that I checked... ;-)
It's a 140 minute movie and 55 minutes are in Montenegro. At 58 minutes the movie arrives in Montenegro with the train sequence and later Bond wakes up in the clinic after being tortured at 1 hour 53 minutes.
Just to be, precise.
But CR's feel is that of the places they filmed: Czech Republic, the Bahamas and Italy. I don't see Miami, Montenegro or Madagascar.
The PTS happens in Eastern Europe, so that's another 10 minutes. The title sequence happens nowhere and that's about five minutes. Then after Bond wakes up they spend most of the rest of the movie sailing around the Adriatic, which is also Eastern Europe and then finishing up in Venice, which while not exactly Eastern Europe is close (Venice is about an hour and half drive from the Slovenian border). So, that's about 92/135 or a little more than two thirds.
The PTS is 3 minutes and 50 seconds. Not 10.
For me, the PTS could have been anywhere. There is nothing other than the title used to indicate it's Prague, a city I know well. If you look at the cityscape out of the window behind Dryden in his office it's all modern office blocks, as if it was New York. I've never seen that in Prague, there are only a handful of such buildings there.
If you speak to Czechs, they will tell you they live in central Europe. Russia and some of the former Soviet states are at the eastern end of Europe which ends with the Ural mountains. You could argue Montenegro is central Europe and eastern Europe really starts with Turkey, Belarus and Russia.
After the clinic Bond and Vesper arrive in Venice at 2 hours 2 minutes, so the final 18 minutes are them in Venice and Bond at the mansion on the shore of Lake Como in Italy to shoot Mr White. The time at the clinic is only 9 minutes. If we assume that is also Montenegro, and no info is given, it only adds up to 45% of screen time for Montenegro.
I'd say Russia, Ukraine, Bellarus and the Baltic states. Are Rumania and Bulgaria in eastern Europe or in the Balkans?
Many will place Poland, Czech Republic, Slovkia and Hungary in eastern Europe, but like Someone I think those are in Central Europe.
Opinions?
Drydens office was filmed in Danube House.... In Prague, and the backdrop from his office is quite obviously central prague, when did you last visit?
The PTS is not 10 minutes long. It's not even 5 minutes long, and it's debatable whether or not you should count the entire length since the toilet shots do not take place in Europe (though it's treated like a flashback). None of the PTS is in Eastern Europe. The Czech Republic is in Central Europe, not Eastern Europe. Central Europe and Eastern Europe are separated by different histories. You can't group Venice with Eastern Europe just because it's close to it. Right now I am in New York's Upper East Side. I can walk to East Harlem in a few minutes, but it's a very, very different place. They look very different and are primarily inhabited by very different peoples. Just because something is close doesn't mean that it's the same.
While the PTS was filmed in Prague I found it strange that they didn't use older, more ornate building. In most cities you sometimes see a beautiful building, perhaps one in five or even one in ten. In central Pargue it's the other way round. Perhaps they chose a modern and rather bland building to set it apart from the building style in "Montenegro"?
And the train scene was obviously supposed to take place in Eastern Europe (it has a subtitle Montenegro). What's that? Another 4 minutes and 24 seconds. And Czechoslovakia has always been part of Eastern Europe, no matter what your friends say (nobody wants to admits they live in Eastern Europe--Eastern Europe is whatever is to their country's East.
So I'm still getting about 2/3rds of the movie in Eastern Europe.
"However, we still have the challenge of deciding where that east-west line should be. Let’s be scientific about it. Geologists agree that Eastern Europe ends at the Ural Mountains, which lie hundreds of kilometers east of Moscow. It’s 5,200 kilometers (3,250 miles) from Lisbon, Portugal to Perm, Russia (a city next to the Urals). The halfway point is Wrocław, a Polish city near the German border (see Google map below). If you extend a north-south line through Wrocław, it would cross the Czech Republic, Austria, and western Croatia. Only Slovenia would find itself on the west side of that dividing line (you can hear the Slovenians cheering now). In short, this 50/50 geographical split results in an east-west border that is quite close to the Cold War dividing line."
The other method is holding on to the cold war line, but this only focuses on about 45 years and ignores the rest history.
You can look at languages and call the countries where people speak Slavic languages east European, making Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, possibly Poland and the former Czechoslovakia, the former Yugolavia and Bulgaria into Eastern Europe.
I don't think the discussion about how many percentages of CR is set in eastern Europe is interesting or important, but I think talking about what constitutes eastern Europe is interesting. I think we can agree there is no definition that is "fact" and everyone can agree on.
Anyway, he claims Fukunaga almost left Bond25 (that would be scandal of epic preportions!) and Henry Cavill will be the next 007 in Bond26.
https://youtu.be/vApb3O-IrxQ
The Henry Cavill things probably came from him reading the tabloids, who in turn get their information from opinions on Reddit. For the past decades all rumours for the next Bond come from internet opinions about who should be the next Bond.
No, I included the train scene in the Montenegro/'eastern/central' Europe segment because the title MONTENEGRO appears the moment we see the train. It's less than 50% of the film whatever you call it. Accept the facts.
Hey Chriscoop, this is central Prague. When was the last time you were in Prague?
Danube House does have a couple of modern office blocks next to it, but the view you would get out of a window at Danbube House is, a, the Vltava river, and , b, a gas station.
"Bond25 is filming right now in Norway." They know nothing.
I watched that too. Bunch of nothing. People who post on the AJB know more about Bond 25 then those Bozos.
http://www.radiorjukan.no/nyheter/2944/james-bond-snuser-pa-rjukan-som-innspillingssted/
Tinn with Rjukan
Rjukan is also know for the huge mirror in the mountain side, out there to reflect sunlight down to the village at the bottom of the valley. There is also a beautiful waterfall and a cable car going up from Rjukan to the top of a mountain for skiing and sun.
The Tinnsjø lake can look like a boring fjord if they need one, but why not shoot areal one?: