I don’t know what he’ll do, but you’re right that the Sherlock Holmes films were certainly not the unmelodic, tonal pieces that lots of people characterise his work as (I wonder if some folk only know his superhero stuff?). I think they’re great and very recognisable scores, and they rather show that he’s extremely hard to second guess. Or look at Chevaliers de Sangreal from Da Vinci Code: that’s a brilliant piece.
I’ve no idea how he’ll approach Bond but I’m hoping to be impressed, I think at worst it’s going to be a score that works well.
Chevaliers de Sangreal is the kind of music that has come to dominate film and television music over the past 15 years. A simplistic chord progression with arpeggios that crescendos. There's no melody. Nothing is actually happening here. It may work in the context of the film (I didn't think this film's music did much for it), but this isn't complete music. This is exactly why I dislike Zimmer. When Philip Glass did it half a century ago it was revolutionary, but minimalism served a musical purpose when he first did it, and he has done much more with it than Zimmer has.
Music theory isn’t as enjoyable to listen to as music itself.
That is an incorrect assessment as well. There are crescendoing arpeggios but the melody which is not complex is played over the top of those arpeggios. It’s pretty obvious and most people would just latch on to the melody if they were to hum the music.
With Zimmer scoring and Billie Eilish singing the tune I am unbelievably excited to hear NTTD's music! And going by the massive amount of excitement seen on and off social media since yesterday it looks like many others are as well {[]
Now that's it has been established who the theme song artist is and that the song has been written......I wonder if Zimmer will be incorporating the theme song into the overall score?
The only times that the theme songs have been incorporated into the score were when the composer of the score also worked on the theme (it has been said that Barry had something to do with writing the FRWL theme, even though he's not credited). Though we get one cue of the theme in each of the last two scores, I wouldn't say that's incorporating the theme into the overall score. We may get that again, but I'm not expecting it to be incorporated into the score.
Live and Let Die was incorporated.
George Martin had a hand in both the title song and the score for Live and Let Die.
With Zimmer scoring and Billie Eilish singing the tune I am unbelievably excited to hear NTTD's music! And going by the massive amount of excitement seen on and off social media since yesterday it looks like many others are as well {[]
I have had numerous people comment to me that Zimmer is a “genius.” While I think that might be overstating it, modern filmgoers seem to regard him highly. Eilish seems to excite people as well, as you say. At the end of the day, I’m glad to see the positive hype. And for what it’s worth, I think Zimmer will do a fine job and Eilish will turn in a forgettable performance. But since Sam Smith’s falsetto is still ringing in my ears, forgettable doesn’t sound so bad.
The only times that the theme songs have been incorporated into the score were when the composer of the score also worked on the theme (it has been said that Barry had something to do with writing the FRWL theme, even though he's not credited). Though we get one cue of the theme in each of the last two scores, I wouldn't say that's incorporating the theme into the overall score. We may get that again, but I'm not expecting it to be incorporated into the score.
Live and Let Die was incorporated.
George Martin had a hand in both the title song and the score for Live and Let Die.
That’s right. George Martin worked on the LALD theme, and his sound is a very important part of it. It’s incredible to think that LTK was the first time the composer of the score wasn’t involved with the title song.
The only times that the theme songs have been incorporated into the score were when the composer of the score also worked on the theme (it has been said that Barry had something to do with writing the FRWL theme, even though he's not credited). Though we get one cue of the theme in each of the last two scores, I wouldn't say that's incorporating the theme into the overall score. We may get that again, but I'm not expecting it to be incorporated into the score.
Live and Let Die was incorporated.
George Martin had a hand in both the title song and the score for Live and Let Die.
As producer, not as writer though. Not really the same as the other incidences.
That is an incorrect assessment as well. There are crescendoing arpeggios but the melody which is not complex is played over the top of those arpeggios. It’s pretty obvious and most people would just latch on to the melody if they were to hum the music.
Thanks: it didn’t sound right but I wondered if there was some technical definition of melody that doesn’t match the popular one.
Great news on both musical counts!... I really didn't think Billie Eilish would want the job, but there you go, very happy to be wrong :007) So glad it's not bloody Beyonce or Sheeran... or wheeling out Bassey again as some would like ) Zimmer is one of the few film score composers where I actually buy the OST's... I find a lot of what he does interesting and inspirational. Hype level has gone up another notch or two.
BTW and sorta OT, if you want to see something Eilish has done that will make go Look at her You Should See Me In A Crown video... and it's ALL real
Adele's song could be heard on 5 October, 21 days before the film and Smith's WOTW was released almost exactly one month before Spectre. Both songs were released on a Friday and 6 March 2020 is a Friday, but maybe we could expect a Friday 28 February release for Billie Eilish's song?
On 8 September 2015 it was officially announced that Sam Smith would sing Spectre's song, with a 26 October release date for the film.
Smith's song became available for digital download on Friday 25 September, and Sam Smith was on BBC Radio 1 on 8 September to announce he was the singer and the song's name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEH9Q8nn10s
Adele's song could be heard on 5 October, 21 days before the film and Smith's WOTW was released almost exactly one month before Spectre. Both songs were released on a Friday and 6 March 2020 is a Friday, but maybe we could expect a Friday 28 February release for Billie Eilish's song?
On 8 September 2015 it was officially announced that Sam Smith would sing Spectre's song, with a 26 October release date for the film.
Smith's song became available for digital download on Friday 25 September, and Sam Smith was on BBC Radio 1 on 8 September to announce he was the singer and the song's name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEH9Q8nn10s
Adele's song could be heard on 5 October, 21 days before the film and Smith's WOTW was released almost exactly one month before Spectre. Both songs were released on a Friday and 6 March 2020 is a Friday, but maybe we could expect a Friday 28 February release for Billie Eilish's song?
On 8 September 2015 it was officially announced that Sam Smith would sing Spectre's song, with a 26 October release date for the film.
Smith's song became available for digital download on Friday 25 September, and Sam Smith was on BBC Radio 1 on 8 September to announce he was the singer and the song's name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEH9Q8nn10s
So is this announcement of the title song artist earlier than usual? Is this the only thing that has come sooner than expected for this film?
And what do you think it means for the release date of the song?
There has been some theorizing that part of the reason that Eilish was chosen was to get back some of the younger demographic that Bond has lost. Based upon that, I wonder if we will see a music video of the song featuring some snippets from the film a bit earlier than usual. It would function pretty much as another trailer but geared toward that younger demographic. For Eilish, doing the Bond theme would also expose her to a broader demographic.
Is there actual evidence that Bond has “lost” the younger demographic? I think Bond’s core audience has long been males between the ages of 15 and death. Perhaps some of us got on board a little sooner, but they certainly are not children’s movies. I am unaware of any data that would indicate people below the age of 30 are less enthusiastic about Bond today than they were 10 or 20 years ago. And for the record, “I’ve talked to 5 teenagers and they hate Bond” is not empirical evidence from which a broad conclusion can be made.
Is there actual evidence that Bond has “lost” the younger demographic? I think Bond’s core audience has long been males between the ages of 15 and death. Perhaps some of us got on board a little sooner, but they certainly are not children’s movies. I am unaware of any data that would indicate people below the age of 30 are less enthusiastic about Bond today than they were 10 or 20 years ago. And for the record, “I’ve talked to 5 teenagers and they hate Bond” is not empirical evidence from which a broad conclusion can be made.
My friends were most into Bond from about the age of 10 to 15, and I think most Bond fans used to get into the film earlier than 15..
As for evidence, the majority of my audience is in the 25-54 age groups, but I suspect my audience may include a smaller percentage of young Bond fan than the series has overall. I would be interested to see how much of Calvin Dyson's audience is teenagers since his format is one that younger people are into. David Zaritsky has implied that Bond has lost the young audience.
Is there actual evidence that Bond has “lost” the younger demographic? I think Bond’s core audience has long been males between the ages of 15 and death. Perhaps some of us got on board a little sooner, but they certainly are not children’s movies. I am unaware of any data that would indicate people below the age of 30 are less enthusiastic about Bond today than they were 10 or 20 years ago. And for the record, “I’ve talked to 5 teenagers and they hate Bond” is not empirical evidence from which a broad conclusion can be made.
My friends were most into Bond from about the age of 10 to 15, and I think most Bond fans used to get into the film earlier than 15..
As for evidence, the majority of my audience is in the 25-54 age groups, but I suspect my audience may include a smaller percentage of young Bond fan than the series has overall. I would be interested to see how much of Calvin Dyson's audience is teenagers since his format is one that younger people are into. David Zaritsky has implied that Bond has lost the young audience.
While I’m not inclined to disregard this information, I think it provides limited insight into the broader appeal of the franchise among young people. It takes a particularly devoted fan to follow a James Bond-related blog, podcast, etc. And even among that group, we pick and choose what content to consume.
Perhaps the bigger issue, if there is one, is not related to appeal so much as to volume. If you’re 16 years old in January 2020, there have been only two Bond films released since you were 9 years old, and zero video games. Unless you sought out the old films, there hasn’t been much to cultivate the interest of a new fan. This is a huge difference from when we came of Bond age in the mid-90s. There was either a new film or a new game released every other year. Gradually, I watched all of the films, and this led to discovery of the literary Bond. The rest flowed organically. A young person today is bombarded with content from many directions. Bond hasn’t done much to earn its seat at the table.
It's been said if you want to hear something some Bond title song artist potential from Billie Eilish you should hear her sing "All good girls go to hell" acapella on Howard Stern. I did, and I and now I have much more faith in her a singer for Bond. The interiew is good, but the song starts at 39:26
I was born in 1957. My first Bond film was Goldfinger in 1964. I caught up with DN and FRWL in a double bill shortly after that. Then came TB in 1965. One thing that I remember is that when I saw TB on a Saturday afternoon with a bunch of my friends is that the theater was packed.......with kids. Plenty of 8 yr olds like myself on up to the teens. We didn't have video games and all the other tech the kids have today. We had record players, TV (mostly black and white sets), whatever sports or street games we played and the movies. James Bond 007, assassin, blunt instrument, and smoking/drinking world class fornicating womanizer was our hero. We collected the cards, the toys.....I guess the point to all this is Bond was new fresh, trailblazing. He was my generation's one man Avengers. We loved our comic book heroes too, but they were just comic books. The kids today just have so much to choose from...and yes Mr. Bond does not come around very often and except for the hardcore fans like us, it's out of sight out of mind. Of course this all just reinforces how amazing it is that when 007 does return for one of his all too infrequent visits, people still fill the seats. -{
Adele's song could be heard on 5 October, 21 days before the film and Smith's WOTW was released almost exactly one month before Spectre.
On 8 September 2015 it was officially announced that Sam Smith would sing Spectre's song, with a 26 October release date for the film. Smith's song became available for digital download on Friday 25 September.
It was a Friday, 5 October 2012, debut for Adele's Skyfall song with a 26 October release date for the film.
So is this announcement of the title song artist earlier than usual? Is this the only thing that has come sooner than expected for this film?
And what do you think it means for the release date of the song?
So, Billie Eilish has been announced as the singer 2 months 19 days before NTTD's release, which is not as early as previous DC films. We still don't know the name of the song, and that has been announced earlier with previous films, see below.
According to MI6-hq.com's Casino timeline, Chris Cornell was announced as the theme singer on 26 July 2006 and the song title was announced at the same time, 3 months and 22 days before Casino's theatrical release. https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_21_artist_announced.php3?t=bond21&s=bond21
The song was released on CD on 13 November. Casino had its release on 16 November 2006.
I'd imagine that the release date for Eilish's song will be determined by streaming and downloading rates and Youtube views, to maximise the number of people listening to the song and being aware of the film. Would a month be enough?
BTW today is the deadline for the yes, no, maybe, NTTD poster art competition. As of typing this there is 7 hours 28 minutes before submissions must be sent in.
The submission guidelines says this; "During the Submission Period, submissions may be featured on the Studios and Talenthouse, digital or social media channels in association with the promotion of No Time To Die, including but not limited to, the 007 hub. You may be credited where your work is shown."
And, so far, we haven't seen any art. Very few submissions?
Here is what would have been my (still unfinished) suggestion for a NTTD-main poster.
I didn’t submit it once I learnt it has to be digital, I‘m just a simple painter...
So, Heineken's NTTD campaign started in the first week of January, people were tweeting video they took of TV adverts on 7 Jan. That is 87 days before the UK release of NTTD.
So, NTTD's Heineken advert campaign, almost 3 months before the film's release, and Spectre and Skyfall, just over a month, five weeks. Why so much earlier this time?
Adele's song could be heard on 5 October, 21 days before the film and Smith's WOTW was released almost exactly one month before Spectre.
On 8 September 2015 it was officially announced that Sam Smith would sing Spectre's song, with a 26 October release date for the film. Smith's song became available for digital download on Friday 25 September.
It was a Friday, 5 October 2012, debut for Adele's Skyfall song with a 26 October release date for the film.
So is this announcement of the title song artist earlier than usual? Is this the only thing that has come sooner than expected for this film?
And what do you think it means for the release date of the song?
So, Billie Eilish has been announced as the singer 2 months 19 days before NTTD's release, which is not as early as previous DC films. We still don't know the name of the song, and that has been announced earlier with previous films, see below.
According to MI6-hq.com's Casino timeline, Chris Cornell was announced as the theme singer on 26 July 2006 and the song title was announced at the same time, 3 months and 22 days before Casino's theatrical release. https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_21_artist_announced.php3?t=bond21&s=bond21
The song was released on CD on 13 November. Casino had its release on 16 November 2006.
I'd imagine that the release date for Eilish's song will be determined by streaming and downloading rates and Youtube views, to maximise the number of people listening to the song and being aware of the film. Would a month be enough?
Though they didn't announce a title for the song, they did say that Eilish is singing the "title song". The tweet reads:
"The #NoTimeToDie title song will be performed by @billieeilish";
By definition, "title song" means that the song will have the same name as the title of the film. But they could also just mean that she's doing the song that will be playing over the title sequence, and the song may still have a different name. So far we've only had one song from the Craig films that shares the title of the film. But seeing as the artist was chosen (at least partially) for her marketing power, I'm hoping they will also have her name the song after the title of the film (with the title prominently in the lyrics) to take advantage of the ability to use the song to market the film.
It's been said if you want to hear something some Bond title song artist potential from Billie Eilish you should hear her sing "All good girls go to hell" acapella on Howard Stern. I did, and I and now I have much more faith in her a singer for Bond. The interiew is good, but the song starts at 39:26
I think Eilish is a brilliant choice by EON, Even more so then Beyoncé. Not saying Beyoncé wouldn't have been a great choice of course. But she's done music (or remixes) for many films before most notably the fifty shades series. Whereas as far as I know Eilish has never wrote a song exclusively for a movie before. So its historic beyond her just being the youngest artist to perform a Bond song.
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Music theory isn’t as enjoyable to listen to as music itself.
George Martin had a hand in both the title song and the score for Live and Let Die.
I have had numerous people comment to me that Zimmer is a “genius.” While I think that might be overstating it, modern filmgoers seem to regard him highly. Eilish seems to excite people as well, as you say. At the end of the day, I’m glad to see the positive hype. And for what it’s worth, I think Zimmer will do a fine job and Eilish will turn in a forgettable performance. But since Sam Smith’s falsetto is still ringing in my ears, forgettable doesn’t sound so bad.
That’s right. George Martin worked on the LALD theme, and his sound is a very important part of it. It’s incredible to think that LTK was the first time the composer of the score wasn’t involved with the title song.
As producer, not as writer though. Not really the same as the other incidences.
Thanks: it didn’t sound right but I wondered if there was some technical definition of melody that doesn’t match the popular one.
BTW and sorta OT, if you want to see something Eilish has done that will make go
Lyrical reasons
I’m tinkering around with my own version of ‘No time to die’
. Risico.
Gun In My Hand
Never Dream of Dying
The LALD theme is very much Martin’s, even if he didn’t write it. He had a very active role in creating what we know as the final song.
On 8 September 2015 it was officially announced that Sam Smith would sing Spectre's song, with a 26 October release date for the film.
Smith's song became available for digital download on Friday 25 September, and Sam Smith was on BBC Radio 1 on 8 September to announce he was the singer and the song's name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEH9Q8nn10s
It was a Friday, 5 October 2012, debut for Adele's Skyfall song with a 26 October release date for the film.
https://www.007.com/skyfall-official-theme-song-news/
So is this announcement of the title song artist earlier than usual? Is this the only thing that has come sooner than expected for this film?
And what do you think it means for the release date of the song?
There has been some theorizing that part of the reason that Eilish was chosen was to get back some of the younger demographic that Bond has lost. Based upon that, I wonder if we will see a music video of the song featuring some snippets from the film a bit earlier than usual. It would function pretty much as another trailer but geared toward that younger demographic. For Eilish, doing the Bond theme would also expose her to a broader demographic.
My friends were most into Bond from about the age of 10 to 15, and I think most Bond fans used to get into the film earlier than 15..
As for evidence, the majority of my audience is in the 25-54 age groups, but I suspect my audience may include a smaller percentage of young Bond fan than the series has overall. I would be interested to see how much of Calvin Dyson's audience is teenagers since his format is one that younger people are into. David Zaritsky has implied that Bond has lost the young audience.
While I’m not inclined to disregard this information, I think it provides limited insight into the broader appeal of the franchise among young people. It takes a particularly devoted fan to follow a James Bond-related blog, podcast, etc. And even among that group, we pick and choose what content to consume.
Perhaps the bigger issue, if there is one, is not related to appeal so much as to volume. If you’re 16 years old in January 2020, there have been only two Bond films released since you were 9 years old, and zero video games. Unless you sought out the old films, there hasn’t been much to cultivate the interest of a new fan. This is a huge difference from when we came of Bond age in the mid-90s. There was either a new film or a new game released every other year. Gradually, I watched all of the films, and this led to discovery of the literary Bond. The rest flowed organically. A young person today is bombarded with content from many directions. Bond hasn’t done much to earn its seat at the table.
https://soundcloud.com/user-393335992/billie-eilish-on-howard-stern-full-interview-93019
So, Billie Eilish has been announced as the singer 2 months 19 days before NTTD's release, which is not as early as previous DC films. We still don't know the name of the song, and that has been announced earlier with previous films, see below.
Alicia Keys and Jack White's duet was announced on 29 August 2008 along with the song name. That's two months, 3 days before Quantum's 31 Oct release. So, not as early as this Billie Eilish announcement, but we knew the name of Another Way to Die at the time.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bond/alicia-keys-jack-white-team-for-bond-theme-idUSN2936590820080729
Another way to die debuted on BBC Radio on 18 September 2008, 1 month 14 days before the film's release.
https://www.thejamesbonddossier.com/content/quantum-of-solace/quantum-of-solace-theme-song.htm
According to MI6-hq.com's Casino timeline, Chris Cornell was announced as the theme singer on 26 July 2006 and the song title was announced at the same time, 3 months and 22 days before Casino's theatrical release.
https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_21_artist_announced.php3?t=bond21&s=bond21
The song was released on CD on 13 November. Casino had its release on 16 November 2006.
I'd imagine that the release date for Eilish's song will be determined by streaming and downloading rates and Youtube views, to maximise the number of people listening to the song and being aware of the film. Would a month be enough?
The submission guidelines says this; "During the Submission Period, submissions may be featured on the Studios and Talenthouse, digital or social media channels in association with the promotion of No Time To Die, including but not limited to, the 007 hub. You may be credited where your work is shown."
And, so far, we haven't seen any art. Very few submissions?
Here is Talenthouse's twitter account.
https://twitter.com/talenthouse/
MGM's
https://twitter.com/MGM_Studios
Universal Pictures'
https://twitter.com/UniversalPics
I didn’t submit it once I learnt it has to be digital, I‘m just a simple painter...
IG: @thebondarchives
Check it out, you won’t be disappointed
https://007.talenthouse.com/i/design-artwork-inspired-by-daniel-craigs-bond-films
Just FYI, but Heineken's Spectre campaign began 36 days before Spectre's release.
https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/heineken-unveils-64m-spectre-campaign-daniel-craig-ad/1364821
And, Heineken's Skyfall campaign began on 20 September, 37 days before Skyfall's release.
https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_23_heineken_tv_commercial.php3
So, NTTD's Heineken advert campaign, almost 3 months before the film's release, and Spectre and Skyfall, just over a month, five weeks. Why so much earlier this time?
Though they didn't announce a title for the song, they did say that Eilish is singing the "title song". The tweet reads:
"The #NoTimeToDie title song will be performed by @billieeilish";
By definition, "title song" means that the song will have the same name as the title of the film. But they could also just mean that she's doing the song that will be playing over the title sequence, and the song may still have a different name. So far we've only had one song from the Craig films that shares the title of the film. But seeing as the artist was chosen (at least partially) for her marketing power, I'm hoping they will also have her name the song after the title of the film (with the title prominently in the lyrics) to take advantage of the ability to use the song to market the film.