The original TV series (which was very good) was developed to capitalize on the Bond craze but had a nice fresh approach with the idea of a "team" with specialists (which in of itself has been copied ala the A Team, etc). The MI films have taken things to another level. I've no doubt that the next one will be a fun two hours. It is to their credit (Cruise, et al) that the MI films have thrived, unlike the Bourne franchise which appears to have run out of ideas and fizzled out.
I am very very keen for MI: Fallout Locations and action scenes/stunts look incredible and the story doesn't look too bad either. Its even got a pretty brutal looking bathroom fight scene with Cruise, Cavil and a random!
Watched the trailer a few more times and wow, it's going to be an awesome couple of hours. Also got some quite heavy SP "searching Mr White's house" feels from a shot at the start of the trailer (0:08-10) and a couple shots a little bit in (0:24-29).
The comparison to SP is especially apt since Hunt is wearing the exact same JV racer jacket that Craig did.
I am very very keen for MI: Fallout Locations and action scenes/stunts look incredible and the story doesn't look too bad either. Its even got a pretty brutal looking bathroom fight scene with Cruise, Cavil and a random!
Watched the trailer a few more times and wow, it's going to be an awesome couple of hours. Also got some quite heavy SP "searching Mr White's house" feels from a shot at the start of the trailer (0:08-10) and a couple shots a little bit in (0:24-29).
The comparison to SP is especially apt since Hunt is wearing the exact same JV racer jacket that Craig did.
It's an homage to Craig's Bond from Cruise.......short guys/spies need to stick together )
The dedication Cruise puts in for his movies is absolutely mindblowing...I would love to see Craig putting in this much effort with his acting and everything for B25. If he does and doesn't just phone in his performance for his last outing as Bond, I think that would translate very well onto the finished product and make a damn good film - even if the script isn't perfect.
The fact that Cruise actually flies the helicopter is outrageous! This goes well beyond the normal physical risk-taking that he’s known for. One can’t help but respect him.
As much as I look forward to the eventual start of production for Bond 25, the Bond team have some work to do in the action stakes.
Nothing in Spectre came close to the work on Mission Impossible Rogue Nation.
I don't expect Daniel Craig to do the mad stunts that Tom Cruise performs, but I think the Bond series at least needs to get back to the mind blowing action set pieces that they're known for in the past.
As much as I look forward to the eventual start of production for Bond 25, the Bond team have some work to do in the action stakes.
Nothing in Spectre came close to the work on Mission Impossible Rogue Nation.
I don't expect Daniel Craig to do the mad stunts that Tom Cruise performs, but I think the Bond series at least needs to get back to the mind blowing action set pieces that they're known for in the past.
Skyfall is the most financially successful Bond film ever, even accounting for inflation. I think there is your answer.
As much as I look forward to the eventual start of production for Bond 25, the Bond team have some work to do in the action stakes.
Nothing in Spectre came close to the work on Mission Impossible Rogue Nation.
I don't expect Daniel Craig to do the mad stunts that Tom Cruise performs, but I think the Bond series at least needs to get back to the mind blowing action set pieces that they're known for in the past.
Skyfall is the most financially successful Bond film ever, even accounting for inflation. I think there is your answer.
Not really. Skyfall is six years ago. The last two Mission Impossible films have outshone Bond in the action stakes, and dare I say it as spy thrillers.
Yes the box office for the two Bond films Skyfall and Spectre has been more, but as films Ethan Hunt and his crew have had better stories and thrills. Bond used to be the forefront of such things, be good if he was again. Yes it's still an event, it draws the crowds but there hasn't been a good Bond film since Casino Royale.
Skyfall is the most financially successful Bond film ever, even accounting for inflation. I think there is your answer.
Not really. Skyfall is six years ago. The last two Mission Impossible films have outshone Bond in the action stakes, and dare I say it as spy thrillers.
Yes the box office for the two Bond films Skyfall and Spectre has been more, but as films Ethan Hunt and his crew have had better stories and thrills. Bond used to be the forefront of such things, be good if he was again. Yes it's still an event, it draws the crowds but there hasn't been a good Bond film since Casino Royale.
People can subjectively decide for themselves what is good or bad, but Skyfall's $1.1 billion or Spectre's $880 million is all the Studios will look at. They approve the script.
Another prediction of the death of Bond because of a new film trailer )
Talk about fickle fandom 8-) I've got old magazines ( not just specialist
Gentleman's interest) from the 70s and onwards. With articles about how
The Bond movies couldn't survive against the new competition. ) As for
Cruise having the time to learn to fly a helicopter. .... He probably had some time
On his hands after The Mummy, One of the biggest flops of the year.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Another prediction of the death of Bond because of a new film trailer )
Talk about fickle fandom 8-) I've got old magazines ( not just specialist
Gentleman's interest) from the 70s and onwards. With articles about how
The Bond movies couldn't survive against the new competition. ) As for
Cruise having the time to learn to fly a helicopter. .... He probably had some time
On his hands after The Mummy, One of the biggest flops of the year.
Not only helicopters, he has had his pilots licence since 1994 and as well as five private jets he owns and flies this beauty
Yes a well known fact. As does Harrison Ford and
John Travolta. Not to mention all the other pilots
In the world. I Don't think Tom Hardy is a pilot, yet
It didn't spoil my enjoyment of Dunkirk. ) Also
For Years Michael Caine did not drive .... hasn't
Hindered his acting jobs )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
I think MI:Fallout will be a huge hit. Given how
Some people on a few forums are having an
Orgasm over the trailer ) I'm dreading watching
It at the cinema. I'll have to wear a raincoat and
Umbrella )
I do find it funny how with not one frame of film
Being shot for Bond 25. Many have already dismissed
It as MI will have the better stunts etc .
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Expressing admiration for Cruise’s approach is not necessarily an indictment of Craig, Bond 25, or any of the recent Bond films. It’s ok to like both franchises.
" and they simply don’t do it as well as others."
A quote from a Miles Messervy stating how The Bond team doesn't do the big
action scenes as well as the Mission Impossible team .... or am I misquoting ?
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
" and they simply don’t do it as well as others."
A quote from a Miles Messervy stating how The Bond team doesn't do the big
action scenes as well as the Mission Impossible team .... or am I misquoting ?
Can that even be disputed? It’s just a fact. But I would invite you to read the rest of that post, where I state that the Bond films excel in the small-scale action sequences, like the train fight in Spectre that was mentioned by others, and that they should stick with that approach. I think that is a widely shared view among the members of this forum. It’s also a very minor critique of one aspect of the recent Bond films. It’s certainly not akin to suggesting that Bond is finished or some other nonsense.
As much as I look forward to the eventual start of production for Bond 25, the Bond team have some work to do in the action stakes.
Nothing in Spectre came close to the work on Mission Impossible Rogue Nation.
I don't expect Daniel Craig to do the mad stunts that Tom Cruise performs, but I think the Bond series at least needs to get back to the mind blowing action set pieces that they're known for in the past.
Agreed that nothing in Spectre came close to Rogue Nation action-wise. Outside of the helicopter fight and train car brawl the action in Spectre is really monotonous. The parkour chase still remains the best and most remembered action scene from the Craig era. I hope for B25 they think outside of the action box like they did for that scene and deliver something no ones seen before.
I think a problem with the last two Bond films is that they put the biggest action scenes in the PTS. If the biggest set pieces were at the end of the film, like in YOLT or OHMSS, I think the films would have a better feeling action-wise. The end of SP had no weight to it. If they built up to a big ending rather than have every action sequence in the film feel less impressive than the last, it would have felt better. Where those scenes fall in the story and how they relate to the story is as important as the scenes themselves.
I'm of the opinion that action scenes, even in the Bond films, go on too long and are often pointless. An action scene is like all the other scenes in the movie: it should advance the plot, reveal character, or develop the theme. The action scenes in the Mission Impossible films do none of these. It's no wonder that Ethan Hunt is still a non-entity after all these years.
The parkour scene in CR is so good in part because it tells us a lot about the new James Bond. It's also a lot of fun.
put me in the camp that prioritizes plot and dialog, two elements that have been lacking since Casino...
please stop encouraging them to pack in even more pointless action sequences.
We haven't had good dialogue since LTK. Casino Royale had plot, but it was certainly lacking in the dialogue department! We don't need any more lines like "Rolex? Omega."
As much as I loved CR, the dialogue was pretty awful. I think that was Paul Haggis' involvement. All that garbage about having your armour back on and you stripped it from me.
I thought Skyfall and some nice moments of talking. Like Q and Bond at the Art Gallery. That was clever.
“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
i find this thread fairly depressing. It seems everything is about the action scenes and not much emphasis on the story. I guess the Bond films are just going with the flow. Where once they were cutting edge movies with sensible action sequences that fit - it now seems that someone finds some explosives and then builds a scene around it that doesn't really follow any story line logic. I think that I feel ripped off or counting the minutes left in a movie at least 50% of the time. This compares to the rare time you felt that oh 20 years ago. Maybe it is time to just give up hope on this and say the majority rules with their 10 minutes of attention spans. BTW I have never been able to get through any of the MI movies and found UNCLE to also be an excercise of stamina to stay with it. Can't a decent script be adapted from a already written story? Just a lowly fan's opinion.
Bond: "But who would want to kill me, sir?"
M: "Jealous husbands, outraged chefs, humiliated tailors . . . the list is endless."
i find this thread fairly depressing. It seems everything is about the action scenes and not much emphasis on the story. I guess the Bond films are just going with the flow. Where once they were cutting edge movies with sensible action sequences that fit - it now seems that someone finds some explosives and then builds a scene around it that doesn't really follow any story line logic. I think that I feel ripped off or counting the minutes left in a movie at least 50% of the time. This compares to the rare time you felt that oh 20 years ago. Maybe it is time to just give up hope on this and say the majority rules with their 10 minutes of attention spans. BTW I have never been able to get through any of the MI movies and found UNCLE to also be an excercise of stamina to stay with it. Can't a decent script be adapted from a already written story? Just a lowly fan's opinion.
Bond has been all about the action ever since GoldenEye. Casino Royale and Skyfall tried to break from that, but Casino Royale especially struggled to integrate action with the story.
If you want better dialog in Bond 25, EON needs to bring a Tarantino, Shane Black or the Coen Brothers on board to re-write / polish the script. Unfortunately, John Milius, who was the master script doctor, appears to be too infirmed these days.
He's been gone since 1991, and only a little bit younger than ian Fleming himself, maybe the Bond franchise misses the work of Richard Maibaum more than it realises?
“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
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It's an homage to Craig's Bond from Cruise.......short guys/spies need to stick together
The dedication Cruise puts in for his movies is absolutely mindblowing...I would love to see Craig putting in this much effort with his acting and everything for B25. If he does and doesn't just phone in his performance for his last outing as Bond, I think that would translate very well onto the finished product and make a damn good film - even if the script isn't perfect.
Nothing in Spectre came close to the work on Mission Impossible Rogue Nation.
I don't expect Daniel Craig to do the mad stunts that Tom Cruise performs, but I think the Bond series at least needs to get back to the mind blowing action set pieces that they're known for in the past.
Skyfall is the most financially successful Bond film ever, even accounting for inflation. I think there is your answer.
Not really. Skyfall is six years ago. The last two Mission Impossible films have outshone Bond in the action stakes, and dare I say it as spy thrillers.
Yes the box office for the two Bond films Skyfall and Spectre has been more, but as films Ethan Hunt and his crew have had better stories and thrills. Bond used to be the forefront of such things, be good if he was again. Yes it's still an event, it draws the crowds but there hasn't been a good Bond film since Casino Royale.
People can subjectively decide for themselves what is good or bad, but Skyfall's $1.1 billion or Spectre's $880 million is all the Studios will look at. They approve the script.
Talk about fickle fandom 8-) I've got old magazines ( not just specialist
Gentleman's interest) from the 70s and onwards. With articles about how
The Bond movies couldn't survive against the new competition.
Cruise having the time to learn to fly a helicopter. .... He probably had some time
On his hands after The Mummy, One of the biggest flops of the year.
What a pile of turd
Not only helicopters, he has had his pilots licence since 1994 and as well as five private jets he owns and flies this beauty
John Travolta. Not to mention all the other pilots
In the world. I Don't think Tom Hardy is a pilot, yet
It didn't spoil my enjoyment of Dunkirk.
For Years Michael Caine did not drive .... hasn't
Hindered his acting jobs
Some people on a few forums are having an
Orgasm over the trailer
It at the cinema. I'll have to wear a raincoat and
Umbrella
I do find it funny how with not one frame of film
Being shot for Bond 25. Many have already dismissed
It as MI will have the better stunts etc .
A quote from a Miles Messervy stating how The Bond team doesn't do the big
action scenes as well as the Mission Impossible team .... or am I misquoting ?
Can that even be disputed? It’s just a fact. But I would invite you to read the rest of that post, where I state that the Bond films excel in the small-scale action sequences, like the train fight in Spectre that was mentioned by others, and that they should stick with that approach. I think that is a widely shared view among the members of this forum. It’s also a very minor critique of one aspect of the recent Bond films. It’s certainly not akin to suggesting that Bond is finished or some other nonsense.
The parkour scene in CR is so good in part because it tells us a lot about the new James Bond. It's also a lot of fun.
please stop encouraging them to pack in even more pointless action sequences.
We haven't had good dialogue since LTK. Casino Royale had plot, but it was certainly lacking in the dialogue department! We don't need any more lines like "Rolex? Omega."
I thought Skyfall and some nice moments of talking. Like Q and Bond at the Art Gallery. That was clever.
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
M: "Jealous husbands, outraged chefs, humiliated tailors . . . the list is endless."
Bond has been all about the action ever since GoldenEye. Casino Royale and Skyfall tried to break from that, but Casino Royale especially struggled to integrate action with the story.
UNCLE should have taken a cue from the TV series. The first and fourth series had fantastic stories.
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming