Thank you Arbogast777. Forgive my ignorance but I mean well. One of these days one of you folks should post a handy guide to such matters. I would actually find it helpful and interesting.
Regarding the nationalities of Harry and Cubby. They actually were both "Americans"........"North Americans". )
Harry was very much a citizen of the world as he spent so much time in Europe in particular England.
It's actually very fortunate that Bond wasn't bought up by some big American studio back in the day and much like the TV version of CR, Bond turned into an American which would have just been an absolute disaster.
Thank you Arbogast777. Forgive my ignorance but I mean well. One of these days one of you folks should post a handy guide to such matters. I would actually find it helpful and interesting.
Sure!
There are 4 independent, sovereign countries - England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland - that together also combine to form a political union called “The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.”
When we say “British” it is referring to anyone from a country within the United Kingdom. So if you have someone who is Scottish, as Bond is, you can also described them as “British,” because they are a part of the United Kingdom, but you cannot describe them as “English,” because that would only be for someone from that country.
It's actually very fortunate that Bond wasn't bought up by some big American studio back in the day and much like the TV version of CR, Bond turned into an American which would have just been an absolute disaster.
I feel like an ass to keep nitpicking your posts but...
United Artists was a big American studio at that time. They actually produced 5 of the 1960’s Best Pictures winners. Movies that we think of being from MGM today, like West Side Story, were actually United Artists films that only became MGM after they merged in 1981.
It's actually very fortunate that Bond wasn't bought up by some big American studio back in the day and much like the TV version of CR, Bond turned into an American which would have just been an absolute disaster.
I feel like an ass to keep nitpicking your posts but...
United Artists was a big American studio at that time. They actually produced 5 of the 1960’s Best Pictures winners. Movies that we think of being from MGM today, like West Side Story, were actually United Artists films that only became MGM after they merged in 1981.
That's right. Half of Bond was bought by UA in 1975 when Saltzman sold.
Thank you Arbogast777. Forgive my ignorance but I mean well. One of these days one of you folks should post a handy guide to such matters. I would actually find it helpful and interesting.
This always drives me nuts... you know that England and Scotland are 2 different countries, right? Technically Bond is more Swiss than he is English...
Are people accepting the non-canon claim that Bond was born in what was West Germany?
Isn't Bond, a man with Scottish ancestry, his father was a Scot, something inserted into the novels because of the choice of Connery, his mother is Swiss French, but Fleming never said where Bond was actually born.
All I am trying to say is this:
Bond being Scottish and being described as English is incorrect.
Bond being Scottish and being described as British is correct.
Correct.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
Thank you Arbogast777. Forgive my ignorance but I mean well. One of these days one of you folks should post a handy guide to such matters. I would actually find it helpful and interesting.
Sure!
There are 4 independent, sovereign countries - England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland - that together also combine to form a political union called “The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.”
When we say “British” it is referring to anyone from a country within the United Kingdom. So if you have someone who is Scottish, as Bond is, you can also described them as “British,” because they are a part of the United Kingdom, but you cannot describe them as “English,” because that would only be for someone from that country.
It's actually very fortunate that Bond wasn't bought up by some big American studio back in the day and much like the TV version of CR, Bond turned into an American which would have just been an absolute disaster.
I feel like an ass to keep nitpicking your posts but...
United Artists was a big American studio at that time. They actually produced 5 of the 1960’s Best Pictures winners. Movies that we think of being from MGM today, like West Side Story, were actually United Artists films that only became MGM after they merged in 1981.
I meant more as the sole property of a big American studio.....however:
Yes UA was a big studio at the time but UA was different than the other big studios in that it was founded by a group of actors/film makers, Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickford, Douglas Fairbanks and D.W. Griffith and was much more artist friendly and willing to take chances. UA by the early 60's was probably more in line with the other big studios but they still were more willing to go down the road less traveled with overseas productions, film makers and distribution of foreign films. David Picker and others at UA were willing to take on Bond while other studios just didn't believe the Fleming novels would sell on screen in the US or need to be significantly
changed and weren't willing to take the chance on them. Boy has that changed over the years.
And as there is apparently no Bond25 news this week - probably to be expected considering the most recent developments - here's what we read about in September 2014...
Sept - Rhianna rumours
15 Sept - filming start announced in media. Locations confirmed in news reports.
17 Sept - cinematographer reported
25 Sept - MI6-hq.co.uk reports Morocco to be location.
At least we know when Bond25 starts filming and maybe we will know very soon who the cinematographer is, unless Fukunaga decides to do that himself.
Other than the narrator of the Guns of Darkness trailer having a heavier, more obvious accent I'm not seeing what you are getting at here. If you would care to elaborate, may be I'm missing something.
Certainly the Bond films were made to appeal to an international audience and the USA would be a very large part of that and a key to the film's financial success. Bond was Bond. They had a unique look and feel and were probably more reflective of the higher production values of many American films. The films were different to begin with by early 60's standards and imitated everywhere. They certainly were not British Kitchen Sink dramas.
Other than the narrator of the Guns of Darkness trailer having a heavier, more obvious accent I'm not seeing what you are getting at here. If you would care to elaborate, may be I'm missing something.
Certainly the Bond films were made to appeal to an international audience and the USA would be a very large part of that and a key to the film's financial success. Bond was Bond. They had a unique look and feel and were probably more reflective of the higher production values of many American films. The films were different to begin with by early 60's standards and imitated everywhere. They certainly were not British Kitchen Sink dramas.
The whole presentation, compared to the David Niven film, is over the top. Loud. If anyone knows anything about the difference between Americans and the British, it's that Americans are loud.
Other than the narrator of the Guns of Darkness trailer having a heavier, more obvious accent I'm not seeing what you are getting at here. If you would care to elaborate, may be I'm missing something.
Certainly the Bond films were made to appeal to an international audience and the USA would be a very large part of that and a key to the film's financial success. Bond was Bond. They had a unique look and feel and were probably more reflective of the higher production values of many American films. The films were different to begin with by early 60's standards and imitated everywhere. They certainly were not British Kitchen Sink dramas.
The whole presentation, compared to the David Niven film, is over the top. Loud. If anyone knows anything about the difference between Americans and the British, it's that Americans are loud.
Bit of sweeping generalisation is it not? Can't work out if you are being serious or just being provocative. I have had the pleasure of working is the US over the years and have met some charming and very civilised Americans.Although a Londoner by birth and inclination I have also found New York a far more polite city than my birthplace. If you bump into someone on 5th he's likely to say 'sorry sir'. Same with Houston, Philadelphia, Dalas or Houston, Michigan or Chicago...
Crude stereotypes are best avoided. I have met loud and brash and just plain rude people all over, but mostly the exception rather than the rule.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
I don't want Bond25 to be his last one. I want a soft reboot where everyone in the Scooby gang returns.
I see Felix as more of a friend than a father figure to Bond, and that's why Jeffrey Wright would be if he appeared alongside the next Bond. The next Bond actor should be at least 15 years younger than Craig, which would make him almost 20 years younger than Wright. I think that age difference is too much for Felix. It makes sense that Ralph Fiennes and Ben Whishaw could keep going until they die.
I see your point. I guess it depends on who they cast as the new Bond. If they cast some young-looking like Aaron Taylor-Johnson or Max Irons they would have to recast Leiter. If they cast someone like Sam Hueghan or Aidan Turner they can keep Jeffrey Wright.
I have met loud and brash and just plain rude people all over, but mostly the exception rather than the rule.
Watch UK and US TV. The comparison holds.
Don't want a war, or to perpetuate this but...some of the very finest TV is coming out of the US and has been for some time (some great UK TV also, Killing Eve and Bodyguard to name two, but also a lot of fat shaming poverty porn and endless nostalgia and cheap game shows)
Last word from me on this is 'confirmation bias' We tend to see what we look for and live in a perpetual echo chamber that reinforces the view through the Lens that we use.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
but also a lot of fat shaming poverty porn and endless nostalgia and cheap game shows)
Last word from me on this is 'confirmation bias' We tend to see what we look for and live in a perpetual echo chamber that reinforces the view through the Lens that we use.
I'm not referring to the few high production value shows like Game of Thrones or True Detective or Maniac.
Have you seen the original US version of Jerry Springer and the tamer UK version? Have you seen Fox News and Sky News, owned by the same US company - until this week?
The UK is not the US with castles. There are clear cultural differences. And IMHO I would say the earlier Bond films are bombastic because they were originally produced by an American and a Canadian.
Having said that, I don't think Fukunaga will make Bond25 (getting this thread back on track) like Iron Man, Fukunaga has a more European style because he's an auteur.
Watching Maniac and re-watching True Detective, I see similarities in Fukunaga's direction and Mendes. You get a shot that is held for a while, focusing on something, actors come into a shot and they move, the camera doesn't, it's not lots of cuts and different angles.
I think Fukunaga's Bond25 will be more like Mendes than people may or may not like.
Watching Maniac and re-watching True Detective, I see similarities in Fukunaga's direction and Mendes. You get a shot that is held for a while, focusing on something, actors come into a shot and they move, the camera doesn't, it's not lots of cuts and different angles.
I think Fukunaga's Bond25 will be more like Mendes than people may or may not like.
As I watched Maniac I also thought that B25 could feel very much like another Mendes Bond film. Not that I'm necessarily opposed to that because Skyfall is one of my favorite shot and directed films.
I think Fukunaga may be the most international Bond director yet. He has lived in five countries and he speaks Spanish, French, Japanese and English. He has lived in the US, Mexico, Britain, Japan and France. I think this can only be a plus for a Bond director. Fukunaga is an auteur, even though he rejects the term. He thinks films are far to colaborative for an auteur. Like Someone wrote, Fukunaga seems more European in style than American. I wonder, is Sam Mondes' more American than European in his style?
Speaking of languages: one of the things I like about Moore's Bond is his use of languages. He would order a meal in French and hail a taxi in German. These small hints of 007's language skills - It showed Bond as a man of the world.
Speaking of languages: one of the things I like about Moore's Bond is his use of languages. He would order a meal in French and hail a taxi in German. These small hints of 007's language skills - It showed Bond as a man of the world.
Craig’s Bond does a good job of that, too. He talked German to the tourists in CR and Spanish while checking into the hotel in Bolivia in QoS.
Without getting into any of this Americanization stuff, I do get the feeling that even though Fukunaga is not British or from the Commonwealth that a good amount of folks on the AJB actually might be more comfortable with Fukunaga directing than Boyle. Of course that may be to some extent that we might feel a bit scorned and abandoned by Boyle but none the less, I get that vibe. I was all for Boyle but I always had this seed of doubt/mistrust in the back of my mind that I repressed that he (Boyle) had signed on against his own better judgement and that it might not take much for him to jump ship.
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Regarding the nationalities of Harry and Cubby. They actually were both "Americans"........"North Americans".
Harry was very much a citizen of the world as he spent so much time in Europe in particular England.
It's actually very fortunate that Bond wasn't bought up by some big American studio back in the day and much like the TV version of CR, Bond turned into an American which would have just been an absolute disaster.
Sure!
There are 4 independent, sovereign countries - England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland - that together also combine to form a political union called “The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.”
When we say “British” it is referring to anyone from a country within the United Kingdom. So if you have someone who is Scottish, as Bond is, you can also described them as “British,” because they are a part of the United Kingdom, but you cannot describe them as “English,” because that would only be for someone from that country.
I feel like an ass to keep nitpicking your posts but...
United Artists was a big American studio at that time. They actually produced 5 of the 1960’s Best Pictures winners. Movies that we think of being from MGM today, like West Side Story, were actually United Artists films that only became MGM after they merged in 1981.
That's right. Half of Bond was bought by UA in 1975 when Saltzman sold.
Try this older one: https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/50621/skyfall-silva-question/ Post 19, about two-thirds of the way down.
Correct.
Yes UA was a big studio at the time but UA was different than the other big studios in that it was founded by a group of actors/film makers, Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickford, Douglas Fairbanks and D.W. Griffith and was much more artist friendly and willing to take chances. UA by the early 60's was probably more in line with the other big studios but they still were more willing to go down the road less traveled with overseas productions, film makers and distribution of foreign films. David Picker and others at UA were willing to take on Bond while other studios just didn't believe the Fleming novels would sell on screen in the US or need to be significantly
changed and weren't willing to take the chance on them. Boy has that changed over the years.
Here's the Dr No trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myoVLMnKw2M
And here's the trailer for the David Niven adventure film Guns of Darkness that also came out in 1962
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InSP2kli82c
Sept - Rhianna rumours
15 Sept - filming start announced in media. Locations confirmed in news reports.
17 Sept - cinematographer reported
25 Sept - MI6-hq.co.uk reports Morocco to be location.
At least we know when Bond25 starts filming and maybe we will know very soon who the cinematographer is, unless Fukunaga decides to do that himself.
If you lived in Scotland, as I did in the 60s, I can confirm it was the case. Recall the observation was made as a joke.
Other than the narrator of the Guns of Darkness trailer having a heavier, more obvious accent I'm not seeing what you are getting at here. If you would care to elaborate, may be I'm missing something.
Certainly the Bond films were made to appeal to an international audience and the USA would be a very large part of that and a key to the film's financial success. Bond was Bond. They had a unique look and feel and were probably more reflective of the higher production values of many American films. The films were different to begin with by early 60's standards and imitated everywhere. They certainly were not British Kitchen Sink dramas.
I do.
The whole presentation, compared to the David Niven film, is over the top. Loud. If anyone knows anything about the difference between Americans and the British, it's that Americans are loud.
Bit of sweeping generalisation is it not? Can't work out if you are being serious or just being provocative. I have had the pleasure of working is the US over the years and have met some charming and very civilised Americans.Although a Londoner by birth and inclination I have also found New York a far more polite city than my birthplace. If you bump into someone on 5th he's likely to say 'sorry sir'. Same with Houston, Philadelphia, Dalas or Houston, Michigan or Chicago...
Crude stereotypes are best avoided. I have met loud and brash and just plain rude people all over, but mostly the exception rather than the rule.
Last one?
I see Felix as more of a friend than a father figure to Bond, and that's why Jeffrey Wright would be if he appeared alongside the next Bond. The next Bond actor should be at least 15 years younger than Craig, which would make him almost 20 years younger than Wright. I think that age difference is too much for Felix. It makes sense that Ralph Fiennes and Ben Whishaw could keep going until they die.
Watch UK and US TV. The comparison holds.
Don't want a war, or to perpetuate this but...some of the very finest TV is coming out of the US and has been for some time (some great UK TV also, Killing Eve and Bodyguard to name two, but also a lot of fat shaming poverty porn and endless nostalgia and cheap game shows)
Last word from me on this is 'confirmation bias' We tend to see what we look for and live in a perpetual echo chamber that reinforces the view through the Lens that we use.
I'm not referring to the few high production value shows like Game of Thrones or True Detective or Maniac.
Have you seen the original US version of Jerry Springer and the tamer UK version? Have you seen Fox News and Sky News, owned by the same US company - until this week?
The UK is not the US with castles. There are clear cultural differences. And IMHO I would say the earlier Bond films are bombastic because they were originally produced by an American and a Canadian.
Having said that, I don't think Fukunaga will make Bond25 (getting this thread back on track) like Iron Man, Fukunaga has a more European style because he's an auteur.
I think Fukunaga's Bond25 will be more like Mendes than people may or may not like.
Craig’s Bond does a good job of that, too. He talked German to the tourists in CR and Spanish while checking into the hotel in Bolivia in QoS.