The Future of Bond

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  • ml94ml94 FinlandPosts: 79MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Good idea! Well first of all I think and hope the Scooby Gang will continue.

    Quite agree. After Craig departs, it should be more of a 'soft reboot,' IMHO, as with the transition from AVTAK to TLD - an obviously different (and younger) Bond, with the intact supporting cast. Granted, it was good to put Lois Maxwell out to pasture with Sir Rog...but the current Moneypenny ought to have many more pictures in her, as should everyone else. No need to reinvent the wheel again...not even if Eon sells, honestly, unless the new owner(s) decide to get radical with remakes, period pictures, etc. My opinion, anyway.
    I think new Bond should mean new Moneypenny...
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    ml94 wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    Good idea! Well first of all I think and hope the Scooby Gang will continue.

    Quite agree. After Craig departs, it should be more of a 'soft reboot,' IMHO, as with the transition from AVTAK to TLD - an obviously different (and younger) Bond, with the intact supporting cast. Granted, it was good to put Lois Maxwell out to pasture with Sir Rog...but the current Moneypenny ought to have many more pictures in her, as should everyone else. No need to reinvent the wheel again...not even if Eon sells, honestly, unless the new owner(s) decide to get radical with remakes, period pictures, etc. My opinion, anyway.
    I think new Bond should mean new Moneypenny...

    Not a deal-breaker for me...but as Sir Miles intimated, if the franchise gets sold, all bets are off. The new owner(s) will determine who they want to retain and who they don't. A post-Eon Bond will be terra incognita.

    Personally, I'd be happy with Naomie Harris staying on when #7 comes on the scene.
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  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Whatever the future holds I'm looking forward to number 25
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    I think the Scooby Gang should help continuity when Bond actors change, especially when they are relatively young as they are now.

    I think they should play around more with the role of the Bond girls. Why not a Bond girl who can quip and be really funny? They have tried the "Bond's equal" in terms of action a few times. Why not a Bond girl who is Roger Moore's equal in terms of humor, since we probably never again will have such a joke Bond?

    They should also have Bond girls who have different views than Bond in terms of values and world view.
    It would be interesting with a religious or pacifist girl or one who is a investigating journalist who's first instinct would be to write about the 00-section?
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    I think two factors will primarily determine where Bond goes next:

    1) How the Craig era is wrapped up. Some of us thought that the reboot would somehow stay within the established timeline and more or less start over -- that is, Craig was the same Bond as before, only we were getting his story arc set in a contemporary era. Thus, the Fleming titles could essentially be remade. But that's not been the case. The Craig Bonds fit entirely within their own universe, and though a lot of book and film elements have been recycled since Casino Royale, they've been all jumbled up and truncated. So it's entirely possible the Craig films will simply end with that Bond character's story coming to a close. Spectre could even have made that possible.

    2) What the current fads are when the next films are conceived. The Bond films were once leaders, taking cues from current tastes but not being slaves to them. But the Craig films followed rather than led, reiterating especially what Nolan's Batman films did. The current production team in particular may simply look at the landscape for what is popular and imitate that. It worked in spades for the Craig era.

    All that said, I have a feeling that if the old production team continues, they'll find a successor to Craig and just continue as though only the actor has changed, assuming the supporting cast is willing to continue.

    If a new production team comes along, I think they'll cast a much younger actor as Bond. They'll go for something more along the lines of The Fast and the Furious series in terms of frenetic action and outlandish plotting.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    It will likely take Eon selling Bond to get new writers :#
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  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    The future of Bond post B25 may depend on how this film is received. If it's embraced, praised, and successful like CR or SF, then I might guess a new actor could be brought into the current Craig universe-Scooby Gang intact, and the series could continue in the tones established by Mendes and SF.

    We know so little on B25, but I might guess Eon may want to address the issues audiences, critics, and fans had with SP and gives us another SF. In that case the new generation of audiences, who might have moved on from the 2006/2008 Nolan Dark Knight Trilogy (considering them now to be"old movies"), which the Craig era embraced, may find B25 a bit passe, hence a less than stellar box office.

    Perhaps the tone for this new film will be radically different? Maybe a DAF for the current generation in comparison to SP's attempt at an OHMSS? An over the top fun filled romp to take Craig out on an upbeat note? Then the 7th actor could be lighter in tone a'la Roger and be given a more smooth transition as we enter an era of "fun upbeat, suave unflappable Bond". That would actually be fine with me as I do feel the somber Vesper, M getting killed, Dark Knight- esque era has been played.

    I'm a bit cynical, I know. But in a way, I feel the Craig films probably should remain in their own universe. I kind of miss the old characters, though. I wouldn't be against a new start for the 60th anniversary giving us a Bond who reports to Miles Messervy, flirts with Moneypenny and is equipped by Major Boothroyd.

    THEN..........there's the concept of Eon making B25 the last film and turning 007 over to other producers. I am pretty hesitant on this
    as I do feel another company would be more likely to miscast Bond by trying to make him contemporary. A Bond selected from a list of currently popular actors. We might then get Robert Downey Jr cast as 007. Vin Diesel or Chris Evans.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    Bond only has a future beyond Bond 25 if BB steps down, MGW will anyway soon probably due to age.

    Only with a production company that knows the term cost expenditure and has a long term plan for at least two to three films within 6 years Bond will survive the 20's.

    I am not afraid of a new actor being cast by whatever casting department is in charge. Another one that BB has the hots for I don't need, it will be freaking Jamie Bell if she has a say, Craig light so to speak, after Craig is Bond light. The thought alone gives me nightmares.

    Everything will depend on how Bond 25 is received. After 13 years of Craig the general audience will barley remember anything before Skyfall and therefore have impossible expectations again. Only chance for Bond 25 to be a overall success is to make it as bland and mainstreamed to death and a silly soap opera like Skyfall. Ah yes and get Adele again. That obviously resonated with audiences. Mix some DB5 action into it, some nice landscape pics with Craig doing the "Connery" copy again and it will be a hit with the old generations too that still haven't recovered from EON moving on from Sir Rog :))
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  • OakvaleOakvale Pennsylvania Posts: 155MI6 Agent
    Bond only has a future beyond Bond 25 if BB steps down, MGW will anyway soon probably due to age.

    Only with a production company that knows the term cost expenditure and has a long term plan for at least two to three films within 6 years Bond will survive the 20's.

    I am not afraid of a new actor being cast by whatever casting department is in charge. Another one that BB has the hots for I don't need, it will be freaking Jamie Bell if she has a say, Craig light so to speak, after Craig is Bond light. The thought alone gives me nightmares.

    Everything will depend on how Bond 25 is received. After 13 years of Craig the general audience will barley remember anything before Skyfall and therefore have impossible expectations again. Only chance for Bond 25 to be a overall success is to make it as bland and mainstreamed to death and a silly soap opera like Skyfall. Ah yes and get Adele again. That obviously resonated with audiences. Mix some DB5 action into it, some nice landscape pics with Craig doing the "Connery" copy again and it will be a hit with the old generations too that still haven't recovered from EON moving on from Sir Rog :))

    The main motive is to make good films that make great money in the box office - not to satisfy the producer's libido. If films were produced like that they wouldn't be very good. Craig has arguably been one of the least sexualised Bonds as well, so I'm afraid to say your argument falls flat there.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,326MI6 Agent
    edited August 2017
    Sometimes I think all this talk and criticism of the gap between Bonds is a bit puzzling

    Would you really want them to knock them out so often??? Personally im absolutely sick of the speed Disney and co are knocking out this superhero crap, they bore me to death and kind of devalue them. I used to like them but now sick of the sight. No anticipation, buildup or excitement and just overkill.

    I think the wait (and frustration) is part of the charm / process
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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    The least sexualised Bond? That's a joke right? He even copied Ursula in that swim tights ad showing off his bulges...and that's only the tip of the sexualised iceberg...
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Knock one out ? ..... I will fight the urge to make a joke.
    I simply can't see how it takes so long between films. In
    An on going series of movies. I always assumed there was
    Some forward planning ?
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,326MI6 Agent
    The least sexualised Bond? That's a joke right? He even copied Ursula in that swim tights ad showing off his bulges...and that's only the tip of the sexualised iceberg...

    Well he def doesn't seem to get the British end up like Connery, Moore and Brozzer
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    Oakvale wrote:
    Bond only has a future beyond Bond 25 if BB steps down, MGW will anyway soon probably due to age.

    Only with a production company that knows the term cost expenditure and has a long term plan for at least two to three films within 6 years Bond will survive the 20's.

    I am not afraid of a new actor being cast by whatever casting department is in charge. Another one that BB has the hots for I don't need, it will be freaking Jamie Bell if she has a say, Craig light so to speak, after Craig is Bond light. The thought alone gives me nightmares.

    Everything will depend on how Bond 25 is received. After 13 years of Craig the general audience will barley remember anything before Skyfall and therefore have impossible expectations again. Only chance for Bond 25 to be a overall success is to make it as bland and mainstreamed to death and a silly soap opera like Skyfall. Ah yes and get Adele again. That obviously resonated with audiences. Mix some DB5 action into it, some nice landscape pics with Craig doing the "Connery" copy again and it will be a hit with the old generations too that still haven't recovered from EON moving on from Sir Rog :))

    The main motive is to make good films that make great money in the box office - not to satisfy the producer's libido. If films were produced like that they wouldn't be very good. Craig has arguably been one of the least sexualised Bonds as well, so I'm afraid to say your argument falls flat there.

    If my English doesn't fails me Craig is the least sexual lyst active Bond, but also the most sexualized Bond. The number of times he is shirtless and the fact that Bond walks in from the beach and not a Bond girl are examples. While I am a Daniel Craig fan (but not for those reasons :))), I share BJB006's worry about casting. But I don't think she backs Jamie Bell, I think she favours Tom Hardy. He is a character actor, not tall, doesn't look much like the traditional Bond, blonde and has a slightly brutal look. Hardy is Craig 2.0
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Hopefully, by the time Craig has finished, Hardy will be out of the picture.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    Hopefully, by the time Craig has finished, Hardy will be out of the picture.

    I hope so! By the time Bond 25 is released, he'll be the age Brosnan was when he started as Bond, and by the time Bond 26 is out, Hardy will be around the age Moore was when Moore started, but he'll look older for sure.
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  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,326MI6 Agent
    I was talking about Hardy & Bond today with my good lady. She said if Hardy became Bond and did a topless scene they would have to CGI out all his tattoos! He's upper half is covered in them!
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    I think the immediate future, maybe the next 15-20 years, all depends on how the producers feel. Michael Wilson is getting on in years though I don't remember reading anything that he wants to slow down or retire anytime soon. Though younger, I don't know if Barbara has entertained the same thoughts. I just know they don't have the same zest for the series as Cubby's though I don't discount their dedication but they just don't seem to have the same mastery over the production as Cubby did.

    Then there are the heirs. Doesn't Michael Wilson have children, and aren't there other siblings apart from Barbara from the Cubby and Dana? Depending on the legal predicament within their family on who owns what, I wonder what say the next generation has, or if any of them are even interested. Should the family opt to quit altogether, I predict a huge sale being announced, with several studios, media and entertainment giants and perhaps even big guns from other industries who will try to claim the franchise, but I predict that the most viable buyer will be a studio. I don't know if there are any laws that will allow two separate studios from jointly owning the franchise, if if there is, MGM will be the likely buyer of the whole thing unless they balk because of their own financial constraints at which time there might be a double sale!

    If and once this happens, I predict that whatever studio then owns the franchise will preserve as many elements as possible as their purchased trademark will allow, gunbarrel, theme song, etc., but the change will allow significant tweaks in style and execution which would be just as expected in bringing something with a long history up to date.
    "...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    superado wrote:
    I think the immediate future, maybe the next 15-20 years, all depends on how the producers feel. Michael Wilson is getting on in years though I don't remember reading anything that he wants to slow down or retire anytime soon. Though younger, I don't know if Barbara has entertained the same thoughts. I just know they don't have the same zest for the series as Cubby's though I don't discount their dedication but they just don't seem to have the same mastery over the production as Cubby did.

    Then there are the heirs. Doesn't Michael Wilson have children, and aren't there other siblings apart from Barbara from the Cubby and Dana? Depending on the legal predicament within their family on who owns what, I wonder what say the next generation has, or if any of them are even interested. Should the family opt to quit altogether, I predict a huge sale being announced, with several studios, media and entertainment giants and perhaps even big guns from other industries who will try to claim the franchise, but I predict that the most viable buyer will be a studio. I don't know if there are any laws that will allow two separate studios from jointly owning the franchise, if if there is, MGM will be the likely buyer of the whole thing unless they balk because of their own financial constraints at which time there might be a double sale!

    If and once this happens, I predict that whatever studio then owns the franchise will preserve as many elements as possible as their purchased trademark will allow, gunbarrel, theme song, etc., but the change will allow significant tweaks in style and execution which would be just as expected in bringing something with a long history up to date.

    I'm in agreement for the most part. I think any smart buyer would take a step back, look at the history, and keep what works - especially the 'brand' stuff, natch - but perhaps the 'status quo' supporting cast...if that's the way they intend to proceed. If a conglomerate gobbles it up, we could be looking at multiple possibilities. The prospect is, at once, exciting and alarming for a lifelong devotee.
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  • OakvaleOakvale Pennsylvania Posts: 155MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    I think the immediate future, maybe the next 15-20 years, all depends on how the producers feel. Michael Wilson is getting on in years though I don't remember reading anything that he wants to slow down or retire anytime soon. Though younger, I don't know if Barbara has entertained the same thoughts. I just know they don't have the same zest for the series as Cubby's though I don't discount their dedication but they just don't seem to have the same mastery over the production as Cubby did.

    Then there are the heirs. Doesn't Michael Wilson have children, and aren't there other siblings apart from Barbara from the Cubby and Dana? Depending on the legal predicament within their family on who owns what, I wonder what say the next generation has, or if any of them are even interested. Should the family opt to quit altogether, I predict a huge sale being announced, with several studios, media and entertainment giants and perhaps even big guns from other industries who will try to claim the franchise, but I predict that the most viable buyer will be a studio. I don't know if there are any laws that will allow two separate studios from jointly owning the franchise, if if there is, MGM will be the likely buyer of the whole thing unless they balk because of their own financial constraints at which time there might be a double sale!

    If and once this happens, I predict that whatever studio then owns the franchise will preserve as many elements as possible as their purchased trademark will allow, gunbarrel, theme song, etc., but the change will allow significant tweaks in style and execution which would be just as expected in bringing something with a long history up to date.

    I'm in agreement for the most part. I think any smart buyer would take a step back, look at the history, and keep what works - especially the 'brand' stuff, natch - but perhaps the 'status quo' supporting cast...if that's the way they intend to proceed. If a conglomerate gobbles it up, we could be looking at multiple possibilities. The prospect is, at once, exciting and alarming for a lifelong devotee.

    Let's just hope Disney doesn't buy the rights and add him to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. :D
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Oakvale wrote:
    superado wrote:
    I think the immediate future, maybe the next 15-20 years, all depends on how the producers feel. Michael Wilson is getting on in years though I don't remember reading anything that he wants to slow down or retire anytime soon. Though younger, I don't know if Barbara has entertained the same thoughts. I just know they don't have the same zest for the series as Cubby's though I don't discount their dedication but they just don't seem to have the same mastery over the production as Cubby did.

    Then there are the heirs. Doesn't Michael Wilson have children, and aren't there other siblings apart from Barbara from the Cubby and Dana? Depending on the legal predicament within their family on who owns what, I wonder what say the next generation has, or if any of them are even interested. Should the family opt to quit altogether, I predict a huge sale being announced, with several studios, media and entertainment giants and perhaps even big guns from other industries who will try to claim the franchise, but I predict that the most viable buyer will be a studio. I don't know if there are any laws that will allow two separate studios from jointly owning the franchise, if if there is, MGM will be the likely buyer of the whole thing unless they balk because of their own financial constraints at which time there might be a double sale!

    If and once this happens, I predict that whatever studio then owns the franchise will preserve as many elements as possible as their purchased trademark will allow, gunbarrel, theme song, etc., but the change will allow significant tweaks in style and execution which would be just as expected in bringing something with a long history up to date.

    I'm in agreement for the most part. I think any smart buyer would take a step back, look at the history, and keep what works - especially the 'brand' stuff, natch - but perhaps the 'status quo' supporting cast...if that's the way they intend to proceed. If a conglomerate gobbles it up, we could be looking at multiple possibilities. The prospect is, at once, exciting and alarming for a lifelong devotee.

    Let's just hope Disney doesn't buy the rights and add him to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. :D

    The upside is that Bond memorabilia will become available at my local mall's Disney Store :)) ...oh, but wait! As discussed in a recent thread about a James Bond Land https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/49526/thoughts-and-ideas-about-a-james-bond-world/, well...the prospect for those movies may suck, but 14 acres depicting the history of the James Bond movies? Bring it on!
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    :o :))
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  • PierreVWPierreVW Posts: 17MI6 Agent
    Hi!.

    This is my second post.

    I want Henry Cavill as the new James Bond.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    Cavill is Supermann and he is in the next Mission Impossible. I don't think so.
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    He's also Napoleon Solo ;)
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    Number24 wrote:
    Cavill is Supermann and he is in the next Mission Impossible. I don't think so.

    A boy can dream! I want a 50-year-old Roger Moore back in the role, but I know that's not going to happen either.
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  • OakvaleOakvale Pennsylvania Posts: 155MI6 Agent
    superado wrote:
    I think the immediate future, maybe the next 15-20 years, all depends on how the producers feel. Michael Wilson is getting on in years though I don't remember reading anything that he wants to slow down or retire anytime soon. Though younger, I don't know if Barbara has entertained the same thoughts. I just know they don't have the same zest for the series as Cubby's though I don't discount their dedication but they just don't seem to have the same mastery over the production as Cubby did.

    Then there are the heirs. Doesn't Michael Wilson have children, and aren't there other siblings apart from Barbara from the Cubby and Dana? Depending on the legal predicament within their family on who owns what, I wonder what say the next generation has, or if any of them are even interested. Should the family opt to quit altogether, I predict a huge sale being announced, with several studios, media and entertainment giants and perhaps even big guns from other industries who will try to claim the franchise, but I predict that the most viable buyer will be a studio. I don't know if there are any laws that will allow two separate studios from jointly owning the franchise, if if there is, MGM will be the likely buyer of the whole thing unless they balk because of their own financial constraints at which time there might be a double sale!

    If and once this happens, I predict that whatever studio then owns the franchise will preserve as many elements as possible as their purchased trademark will allow, gunbarrel, theme song, etc., but the change will allow significant tweaks in style and execution which would be just as expected in bringing something with a long history up to date.

    Michael Wilson has two sons, David and Gregg Wilson, who both work at EON. I imagine if there is any sort of family continuation, it will be with the two of them and Barbara.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    I've always been a big Cavill booster...but alas, a confluence of big roles has almost certainly taken him out of the running. As happy as I am that Craig is back, I was really intrigued by the notion of Hiddleston. When the role is finally recast, it will probably not be anyone currently on the radar.
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  • superdaddysuperdaddy englandPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    Would be quite interested in what Tom Hughes could do with the role, currently only about 30 so in say 5 years time would be ideal to take over!
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    My idea for post-Craig is a radical one, but it hearkens back to Fleming.

    Whether #25 is his last, or it ends up being a #25-26 back-to-back movie in two parts, or whatever...Craig's Bond ends up with total amnesia in Japan at the end of his final film.

    Bond #7 makes his debut in the next film - a fresh face - trying to reenter MI6 although everyone in the service believes him dead. He's been brainwashed, as in the beginning of the TMWTGG novel, and makes a thwarted attempt on M's life in the PTS. He's rehabilitated through act one, and put on a mission during the rest of the film to prove his worth to Queen and Country...which should be to put an end to whoever brainwashed him and roll up that organization (which might or might not be a remaining tentacle of SPECTRE).

    I'd still very much like to see the entirety of the TSWLM novel compressed into what would likely be the longest PTS ever - a movie within a movie - which would also be a cracking way to introduce a new face.
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