The 6 types of Bond film chart / The Evolution of the Bond eras

BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
edited August 2017 in The James Bond Films
I give you a chart I have created today.

My goal is to categorise the films into types of Bond films so we can see the development in each era.
Sean Connery's tenure works as starting point. That is a given.

The yellow/orange section shows the high points in each era. Whereas the orange is always the second high point, but nonetheless marking a highlight in an era.
The YELLOW section shows the most successful film of each era, regarding general consensus.
PURPLE are the Over-The-Top films, fun but often regarded as a low point in an era

RED are the more simpler, down-to-earth, harder action films, interestingly mostly the second in an era.

GREEN are the more outlandish epic films that are a typical progression later in an era, mostly regarded as good but not as good as what came before.

That leaves BLUE, there goes "the rest" which really means the first films in an era, that are not fitting the other types well.

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For the fifth Craigbond there are various possibilities, history may point in the OTT direction and put Bond25 in the purple cube though.

YELLOW/ORANGE seems very unlikely, GREEN not very likely as well, as Bond 25 certainly will not be the same as SP in style.
That really only leaves RED and PURPLE in my opinion. It's entirely possible EON wants to do a down-to-earth, simpler, hard-action film next.

Interestingly, the chronology of an era mostly fits the types in order as in the chart. Many similarities can be found like with Dalton and Craig each having their second film in the red section.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    A full list of what the colourful mean would be nice (for the slower members like me) ;%
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    Done @Number 24 :)
    Dalton Rulez™
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    Thank you. This is interesting. P & W has said Bond25 must be clearly different from SP. Many will say SP is borderline purple movie, so making a purple movie won't really be very different. While the last movies of the Bond actors tend to be the most bloated and outlandish , it's no rule. I would say MR is far more purple than AVTAK. I don't know where to place AVTAK, but it feels pretty different from MR.

    What I hope is that Bond25's direction will be, I hope it will be a blue. We don't know.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    AVTAK was indeed difficult to place I admit, I decided for purple as it marks the "low" point of the era for most people and the purple section is also about that.
    Dalton Rulez™
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    MR is very brutal for a RM Bond, the big set is a mine, the main location is San Francisco (nice city, but hardly Rio de Janeiro or Venice) and given the plot it has little technology. It's ranked low by many, but mostly because RM and his Scooby Gang are old enough to be grandparents.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,080Chief of Staff
    Number24 wrote:
    MR is very brutal for a RM Bond, the big set is a mine, the main location is San Francisco (nice city, but hardly Rio de Janeiro or Venice) and given the plot it has little technology. It's ranked low by many, but mostly because RM and his Scooby Gang are old enough to be grandparents.

    AVTAK, I think you mean N24!
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Love this sort of stuff Jason!

    If you remove the opinion elements like low points, or not as good as once was and just concentrate on the categories AVTAK IMO fits within the RED Type 2 category. Yes it isn't as good as its counterparts in there, but it fits the standard briefing, standard mission and is not really an OTT film like MR or DAD.

    Again remembering not to think about high points or low points, TND fits within the MR/DAD big-spectacle category. It's basically an action comedy.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    Very good points @heartbroken_mr_drax

    I agree on AVTAK, it could very well go into the REDsection, the Golden Gate sequence really is the only OTT stuff.
    I'll probably change my chart.

    About TND I'm conflicted. I find it also very harder action oriented, also a quite realistic plot, could very well go into the RED section as well. But then the orange section has its purpose, SF and TB definitely belong there, but they may be the only ones in there.
    TND in OTT purple seems too far off the likes of MR, DAD and DAF...

    Nothing is set in stone with that chart, it gives a general idea of how things unfolded in the eras always with Connery's tenure as the point of reference.
    Dalton Rulez™
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    I find it also very harder action oriented, also a quite realistic plot, could very well go into the RED section as well.

    TND's plot becomes more realistic as time goes on. In your mind you may need to swap the Carver Media Group with a Google or Facebook and you've got the same idea!!
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    MR is very brutal for a RM Bond, the big set is a mine, the main location is San Francisco (nice city, but hardly Rio de Janeiro or Venice) and given the plot it has little technology. It's ranked low by many, but mostly because RM and his Scooby Gang are old enough to be grandparents.

    AVTAK, I think you mean N24!

    Yes I did! Here is a corrected version of the post:

    AVTAK is very brutal for a RM Bond, the big set is a mine, the main location is San Francisco (nice city, but hardly Rio de Janeiro or Venice) and given the plot it has little technology. It's ranked low by many, but mostly because RM and his Scooby Gang are old enough to be grandparents.


    Thank you, Barbel. As usual International Shrink Weekly will publish an article on what happened in my brain when I posted this. They think I'm very interesting ;%
  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    Great chart and great idea. However, I have to say that TND cannot objectively be considered as a second high point of the Brosnan era. Obviously you are a great fan of it and I respect that, but it wasn't hugely lauded and 20 years later that remains the same. Also it was obviously a bit hit but it doesn't come close to the successes of TB and SF. I'd say it was more of a green type 5 Bond flick. But hey, do what you're gonna do :)) -{
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    heartbroken_mr_drax has a good point. I too thought of placing AVTAK in red, but I didn't think of disregarding the good film/bad film aspect. And it does strengthen my point that the last film (often following a green/type 5 movie) does not have to be purple.
    I would prefer a movie directed by Nolan in the belief and hope it be a type 4/orange. But if that doesn't work out I would want a red movie directed by a thriller director like Ben Wheatly, Yann Demange, Denis Villeneuve or another director of that type.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    Personally I would have placed TB in purple, but I know very many disagree.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Personally I would have placed TB in purple, but I know very many disagree.

    :o Wash your mouth out 24!
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    I am going to present a second version of the chart. Not too different but not including the "high point of an era" aspect as a type.

    Will be posted shortly.

    I agree on TND and AVTAK probably be better in the RED section of the above chart.
    Dalton Rulez™
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    If I was asked to show a newbies to show six movies to explain why the series is great, I would probably chose the ones in yellow :007)
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    If I was asked to show a newbies to show six movies to explain why the series is great, I would probably chose the ones in yellow :007)
    I'd just switch TLD with LTK and we'd be golden on that score.
    a reasonable rate of return
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    I would have considered that one too.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    So here comes a new approach to the Evolution of the Bond eras.

    This time I underlined what I believe is the high point of each era, so that would not make a Type of film. The original chart is still fine this is just another way to look at things.

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    I think it explains itself but here a few thoughts:

    - The first films often are already the high point in an era, the high point never happened in a second half of an era.
    - The longer an era progresses the more likely it will go into the green and purple type of films, it's actually a given so far.

    For Bond 25 that suggests it will end up in the LIGHT GREEN or PURPLE section, it's practically already decided.
    My guess is it will be light green marking another more Bond on a grand scale, epic and outlandish even.
    Dalton Rulez™
  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    Skyfall should be underlined :p Craig definitely has 2 high points/iconic films to his era thus far. Excellent stuff though -{
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    SP is in much larger letters than MR. Do you think flying a helicopter over Mexico City is more outlandish than a laser fight near a space station? :D
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    ha ha ha.... @Number24

    :p

    I enlarged the letters for SP because it's the "new" film of the lot :D
    Dalton Rulez™
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    That makes much more sense :))

    Great chart. It's a great way to look at the Bond movies and should start a fine conversation.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited August 2017
    Imo, your colorful chart has 2 big flaws:

    1. Moonraker: It was not only (in retrospect) regarded as over-the top. Back in the days, it was regarded as amazing and spectacular state of the art!
    I haven't heard anyone moaning that it was over-the-top back then and I've not heard this about Star Wars either!
    Noone in their right mind would have called MR being "The low point" of the series and people with a minimal understanding for the cinematic Bond would not do that, too.

    Additionally, MR was by far more successfully than TSWLM, so it would be the most successful movie of the Moore era.
    You young crickets always fall into the trap of measuring 30-40 old movies by today's standards - something Cubby would have given a sh*t for as long as the 007 franchise was accepted and made considerable money.

    2. And that brings me to point 2:
    I's simply ignorant rating these movies that have been done for over 5 decades only by today's standards. Let's see what people will say about Spectre or SF in 30 years! :s

    Remember, your opinions are just that!
    And mine, too!
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    While you have a point about using today's eyes on old movies, I find it hard not to call MR over the top.
    Los of people enjoyed it then and now, but it has elements that are very far from Fleming and the other movies. Astronauts firing laser guns and hidden space stations would not be over the top in Star Wars, but in a Bond movie I would say they are.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    I just saw TWINE is in the iconic collumn. Brosnan himself said he barely could tell it apart from TND! This a matter of opinion and not a science, but I would never rate TWINE as iconic.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    The first chart is not about how a film was perceived at the time.

    It's about how we look at the franchise today. I am the first who will assume that SF will not be closely as popular in 2022 as it was in 2012, or even after 20 or 30 years. But today, SF is, which is beyond my understanding quite frankly.

    MR is an over the top film, I LOVE IT and many love OTT, it doesn't have to be negative. Nonetheless do many view MR as a lower point in the Moore era.

    Creating the charts of course is a mix of what I think is given, objective and my own personal subjectivity and opinion. I am glad for any argument against something in the charts. That's what this thread is here for :)
    Dalton Rulez™
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 SwitzerlandPosts: 870MI6 Agent
    full.jpg
    - The first films often are already the high point in an era, the high point never happened in a second half of an era.
    - The longer an era progresses the more likely it will go into the green and purple type of films, it's actually a given so far.
    Number24 wrote:
    I just saw TWINE is in the iconic collumn. Brosnan himself said he barely could tell it apart from TND! This a matter of opinion and not a science, but I would never rate TWINE as iconic.


    Number 24: The second chart has the same colours but different meaning to the first chart.

    The YELLOW type is the pivotal third film, that changed the tone of the era. Nothing to do with iconic, TWINE certainly is nowhere near iconic, but it was a change of direction. It may have the same kind of action, but the plot twist and M in the center of things, the drama and grittiness it does have in parts are very different to TND.
    Dalton Rulez™
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,425MI6 Agent
    edited August 2017
    Must you torment my brain this way? :s
    But I don't see how TWINE changed the formula in any way either.
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Great stuff. Jason. It's always hard use any kind of taxonomy when opinion is involved, and you're a good sport to take the criticism. To me, when you tie the categories to sequence of release, you put yourself in a box, even though sequence is really the only truly objective criterion. You might want to eliminate sequence altogether and try something like:
    [list=*]
    [*]Hard-Edged/Down-to-Earth Spy Stories[/*]
    [*]Epic Sweep[/*]
    [*]Straightforward Action[/*]
    [*]Outlandish/Borderline Absurd[/*]
    [/list]...and see how they correlate to other factors. That's kind of what you've already done, but I think your analysis would be cleaner and less "noisy".

    If you keep your existing taxonomy, I would at least move FYEO. One thing it is NOT is outlandish.

    This is just my two cents, and of course I may be missing your intent entirely, so feel free to ignore! :)
    Thanks again for the thought-provoking work! {[]
    Hilly...you old devil!
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