Anyone honestly think NSNA is better than any of the 24 main films?
Do you mean all 24 Bond movies, or better than just any of the 24? If I were to rank all the Bond movies, I would put Never Say Neve Again, around #16 to #18, in that area. Is that really too high?
I mean I think NSNA is overall disappointing, but does still have some positives to say about. I do really like the two villains, in spite of the other ingredients, and the movie gets some points from me on them. So I certainly do not think it's the worst.
I actually rank it higher than Thunderball (yes Thunderball is one of my worst), but I don't rank it higher than Octopussy.
At the moment I'm watching an edited version on it with a gun barrel and music from the eon films
I watched that, and it was even worse! All it did was remind me of how much better every scene that music originally came from was far better. That helped me determine that all the official Bond films are better, including the miserable Die Another Day and Casino Royale.
At the moment I'm watching an edited version on it with a gun barrel and music from the eon films
I watched that, and it was even worse! All it did was remind me of how much better every scene that music originally came from was far better. That helped me determine that all the official Bond films are better, including the miserable Die Another Day and Casino Royale.
I will be 59 in December and I think for fans like me (seeing Connery in the 60's in the theaters) this was supposed to be the second coming. Wow Connery is back, and that guy who directed The Empire Strikes Back is directing this! I saw it 5 times in the theater each time hoping I would like it better. I did not. It has its moments but having the producer in court all the time and the horrible music score really was bad news. Too bad James Horner did not get to do it. I think that was a Connery call. 20/20 hindsight says they should have made the movie they wanted with all the right people and budget and just not call it a James Bond movie. We will think he is anyway so who cares. I think now that The Rock will end of being his last Bond. I have a hard time watching this one. Same with OHMSS. Maybe its a toss up?
Nice to hear from you youngsters. Yes, the press at the time had a field day building up expectations- Connery was back as Bond! I was so looking forward to the film, and yet found myself enjoying OP so much more.
Nice thought re "The Rock"!
Never Say Never Again is non-canon; period. A decent outing for Connery, but not worth a number in the canon. There are 24 Bond films - the rest are unofficial. Aka St. Broccoli lol
Nice to hear from you youngsters. Yes, the press at the time had a field day building up expectations- Connery was back as Bond! I was so looking forward to the film, and yet found myself enjoying OP so much more.
Nice thought re "The Rock"!
The Rock is terrific.i very much see it as an alternative/parallel history and defo Connery 's last performance as Bond.
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I find this rather humorous a thread. "Better than any of the EON ones" is just a rather pompous way of saying "this is the worst Bond film of all time" and, as a major fan of this film, I can reasonably not be alright with it.
And to answer the topic... Yes, absolutely. Its easily better than Connery's own EON farewell "Diamonds Are Forever" and without question Roger Moore's own "A View To A Kill". Story-wise its better than "You Only Live Twice" although without the same lavish budget treatment, but Connery's visibly bored there, whereas he sprinklles with energy in NSNA, clearly relishing being back to the role. Its also much better than "Live and Let Die", "The Man with the Golden Gun", "Moonraker", "Tomorrow Never Dies" and "Quantum of Solace", "Octopussy" is probably about as good as it, and personally I find it better than the overrated "The Spy Who Loved Me" and even the original "Thunderball" which, although pretty great, lacked in the villain department and the underwater scenes in there just went on forever.
At the end, of course, it depends whether or not one counts this as a Bond film at all. For me, it always was - the one that was never made by EON itself. I mean, Connery alone legitimizes this, but beyond that, and despite its remake restrictions (mostly imposed BY Cubby and EON) its a pretty decent film, and if you can view it without the preconception of some misguided "purists" who won't give the story a chance because of its complicated behind-the-scenes history, I think anyone can come to the realization its actually NOT THAT BAD.
I will tell you this, though: The score might just be the worst in all of the series. And even then, I think the score is perfectly OK as a listen - just horridly wrong as a Bond score. And that's again far more than I can say about Eric Serra's "score" for GoldenEye.
EDIT: I also just noticed the swipe at Atkinson's character, and I find remarks of the "far more spoofy than anything in Moore's films" hilarious, with a tinge of forgetfullness in them, as they seem to forget all the alligator submarines, double-take pigeons, zooming-in-the-boobs moments in his tenure. Just...
I would rate NSNA about DAF, AVTAK, DAD, and Spectre. That’s it though. As others have said, the score is horrible and the whole thing feels overwrought.
And yes, The Rock is definitely Connery’s final Bond performance, and one of my favorite performances of his career.
I just find the "NSNA is the worst thing ever" conversation to be traditionally naff and filled with hyperbole. In truth, its got undeniable good elements in it that weigh it higher than a certain number of Bonds I mentioned, and it has a charm of its own that is easy to appeal to anyone - if you let it. And like anything else, ever, its subject to personal taste. Any such inference that the very IDEA that the film couldn't possibly be better than ANY SINGLE ONE of the EON pictures and that the very notion of such is inherently wondrous is, at the VERY least, myopic, ludicrous and, without intent of malcontent, full of it.
I just find the idea of conversion therapy distasteful.
Can we not agree that you love it, while I do not ?
As you seem to dislike opposing opinions, I'll back off. -{
I may find your arguments a bit wet, but my wit is still dry
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I just find the "NSNA is the worst thing ever" conversation to be traditionally naff and filled with hyperbole. In truth, its got undeniable good elements in it that weigh it higher than a certain number of Bonds I mentioned, and it has a charm of its own that is easy to appeal to anyone - if you let it. And like anything else, ever, its subject to personal taste. Any such inference that the very IDEA that the film couldn't possibly be better than ANY SINGLE ONE of the EON pictures and that the very notion of such is inherently wondrous is, at the VERY least, myopic, ludicrous and, without intent of malcontent, full of it.
Sorry, pal, to me, NSNA ranks together with DAF at the bottom of the barrel.
Even LTK and TLD I'd rather enjoy
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Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I’ve also tried to love NSNA, but every time I see it, the only good things are, imho, Connery and Bernie Casey. Brandauer makes a poor Largo - while undeniably a good actor, he’s just not menacing. Kim Basinger also suffers from a poorly written role. And the music, photography, and set pieces are largely disappointing. The highlight for me is Connery making the casino doorman hold his cigarette case, best scene in the film. I rank DAF higher than NSNA, with only CR ‘67, TMWTGG and LTK on par with it.
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Do you mean all 24 Bond movies, or better than just any of the 24? If I were to rank all the Bond movies, I would put Never Say Neve Again, around #16 to #18, in that area. Is that really too high?
I mean I think NSNA is overall disappointing, but does still have some positives to say about. I do really like the two villains, in spite of the other ingredients, and the movie gets some points from me on them. So I certainly do not think it's the worst.
I actually rank it higher than Thunderball (yes Thunderball is one of my worst), but I don't rank it higher than Octopussy.
I watched that, and it was even worse! All it did was remind me of how much better every scene that music originally came from was far better. That helped me determine that all the official Bond films are better, including the miserable Die Another Day and Casino Royale.
(And yes, I know what you mean!)
Nice to hear from you youngsters. Yes, the press at the time had a field day building up expectations- Connery was back as Bond! I was so looking forward to the film, and yet found myself enjoying OP so much more.
Nice thought re "The Rock"!
The Rock is terrific.i very much see it as an alternative/parallel history and defo Connery 's last performance as Bond.
And to answer the topic... Yes, absolutely. Its easily better than Connery's own EON farewell "Diamonds Are Forever" and without question Roger Moore's own "A View To A Kill". Story-wise its better than "You Only Live Twice" although without the same lavish budget treatment, but Connery's visibly bored there, whereas he sprinklles with energy in NSNA, clearly relishing being back to the role. Its also much better than "Live and Let Die", "The Man with the Golden Gun", "Moonraker", "Tomorrow Never Dies" and "Quantum of Solace", "Octopussy" is probably about as good as it, and personally I find it better than the overrated "The Spy Who Loved Me" and even the original "Thunderball" which, although pretty great, lacked in the villain department and the underwater scenes in there just went on forever.
At the end, of course, it depends whether or not one counts this as a Bond film at all. For me, it always was - the one that was never made by EON itself. I mean, Connery alone legitimizes this, but beyond that, and despite its remake restrictions (mostly imposed BY Cubby and EON) its a pretty decent film, and if you can view it without the preconception of some misguided "purists" who won't give the story a chance because of its complicated behind-the-scenes history, I think anyone can come to the realization its actually NOT THAT BAD.
I will tell you this, though: The score might just be the worst in all of the series. And even then, I think the score is perfectly OK as a listen - just horridly wrong as a Bond score. And that's again far more than I can say about Eric Serra's "score" for GoldenEye.
EDIT: I also just noticed the swipe at Atkinson's character, and I find remarks of the "far more spoofy than anything in Moore's films" hilarious, with a tinge of forgetfullness in them, as they seem to forget all the alligator submarines, double-take pigeons, zooming-in-the-boobs moments in his tenure. Just...
And yes, The Rock is definitely Connery’s final Bond performance, and one of my favorite performances of his career.
In fact, I'd rate watching a blank screen for a couple of hours
Over it.
Can we not agree that you love it, while I do not ?
As you seem to dislike opposing opinions, I'll back off. -{
I may find your arguments a bit wet, but my wit is still dry
Sorry, pal, to me, NSNA ranks together with DAF at the bottom of the barrel.
Even LTK and TLD I'd rather enjoy
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I's mainly because of the pretty Aston Martin (TLD) and the pretty Carey Lowell (LTK)
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!