Does anyone regard 'Never Say Never Again' as better than Bonds 1-24?

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  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    I'll watch NSNA over DAD every time, but that's the only EON film it beats.
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • Quentin QuigleyQuentin Quigley Terminal One, Hamburg AirportPosts: 1,201MI6 Agent
    danjaq_0ff wrote:
    I quite like NSNA and to me it was a Bond fans dream to have two Bond films released in the same year {[] plus the other one had a stupid egg in it :D
    NSNA had quails eggs. But you are right about the other one being stupid. :D
    Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,334MI6 Agent
    I’ve also tried to love NSNA, but every time I see it, the only good things are, imho, Connery and Bernie Casey. Brandauer makes a poor Largo - while undeniably a good actor, he’s just not menacing. Kim Basinger also suffers from a poorly written role. And the music, photography, and set pieces are largely disappointing. The highlight for me is Connery making the casino doorman hold his cigarette case, best scene in the film. I rank DAF higher than NSNA, with only CR ‘67, TMWTGG and LTK on par with it.

    I agree on the cigarette case. If only the rest of the movie had been that smartly written.
  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    danjaq_0ff wrote:
    I quite like NSNA and to me it was a Bond fans dream to have two Bond films released in the same year {[] plus the other one had a stupid egg in it :D
    NSNA had quails eggs. But you are right about the other one being stupid. :D

    :D :D :D
  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I agree on the cigarette case. If only the rest of the movie had been that smartly written.
    According to some fans, it kinda has. And for any problems don't blame it on the film itself.
  • dr. evan-gelistdr. evan-gelist SheffieldPosts: 399MI6 Agent
    yes maximillion was played well and barbara carrere was very very sexy as a villainess.
    if only true lies was a bond film aswell - jamie lee curtis as bond girl helen tasker, art malik and tia carrera as the villains and bill pullman as felix.....n with dalton as bond naturally.
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  • VesperMelogranoVesperMelograno The SouthPosts: 901MI6 Agent
    I thought Barbara Carrera came across as deranged at best.
    I've always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey
  • dr. evan-gelistdr. evan-gelist SheffieldPosts: 399MI6 Agent
    I thought Barbara Carrera came across as deranged at best.

    No i think she was very good at being dominant over a highly sexed man. Similar to Tia Carrera in True Lies, Sharon Stone in The Specialist etc.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Pantomime villain , so much over acting. Perhaps she should
    Have been told sometimes Less is more :D she was far better
    In Dallas, where soap style dramatics are appreciated. ;)
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  • dr. evan-gelistdr. evan-gelist SheffieldPosts: 399MI6 Agent
    im just trying to think of some actors and actresses who would have improved the Bond series.

    I feel Sarah Douglas (lursa from the superman films), as previously mentioned George Peppard and Ian McShane. Possibly Jamie Lee Curtis. Jack O Halloran (who was first choice for jaws), and maybe Paul Hogan (although the Crocodile Dundee associaton wouldnt help i assume). Im sure i can think of lots more. The long running tv shows from the 1980s had fantastic casts and guest stars.
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  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    The casting of NSNA is simply brilliant. And aside maybe from Basinger, who wasn't as experienced a performer and was already constricted by the script, the rest handle their parts beautifully. Brandauer in particular is fantastic, and one of the best ever Bond villains, and Carrera is so much fun as Blush, it's no wonder EON eventually ripped her off for Onatopp in GE.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    I have not seen this film yet. Perhaps I think I have not missed much?
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,860Chief of Staff
    There are different opinions on that, as can be seen above! :))

    (Personally I'm with TP and Higgins.)
  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    Joshua wrote:
    I have not seen this film yet. Perhaps I think I have not missed much?
    Its Bond. If you view it with an open mind and without the EON perspective hanging over your head, you can and might enjoy this film. At the very least, its not worse than the worst Bond films out there.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    It's the equivalent of "The crystal skull", in the Indiana Jones series :D
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    I happen to like Crystal Skull myself, and its funny because both films have this "perceived badness" about them that is ffundamentally unfounded and, once examined, nonexistent. Crystal Skull perfectly keeps with the Indiana Jones spirit, and NSNA is as much a James Bond as ANY of the EON ones. Period.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    So you're agreeing with me -{ , I compliment you on
    Your fine assessment. {[]
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  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    I'll go one step further: NSNA is better than most of Moore's entries. In fact, all of them aside from FYEO and TSWLM, and even there I'd be skeptical.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Well, that's nice to know.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Jimmy Bond wrote:
    I'll go one step further: NSNA is better than most of Moore's entries. In fact, all of them aside from FYEO and TSWLM, and even there I'd be skeptical.

    I disagree entirely, but I'm interested to know why you think that.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Though Jimmy Bond appears to be the bete noir on this thread, I should point out that the received wisdom at the time was that Connery's comeback was by default much better than most Moore efforts. I think that was more wishful thinking on most people's part, but it was the overall view.
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  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    Its not difficult to see how NSNA was superior to OP, though. Its just that it wasn't as superior as those people said it must've been.
  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    And thanks, for offering my opinion and educated expression on the film and basically being called as an undesirable for that.
  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    Jimmy Bond wrote:
    Joshua wrote:
    I have not seen this film yet. Perhaps I think I have not missed much?
    Its Bond. If you view it with an open mind and without the EON perspective hanging over your head, you can and might enjoy this film. At the very least, its not worse than the worst Bond films out there.

    I will certainly watch this film when it comes on the TV. There have been some James Bond films that I haven't even been able to watch to the end because I thought they were very bad (Moonraker, Diamonds Are Forever and Spectre). Because you think it is worth my time to watch Never Say Never Again then I will.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Any Bond film is worth a watch -{ it will be interesting to
    Read your opinion whenever you get a viewing Joshua.
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  • dr. evan-gelistdr. evan-gelist SheffieldPosts: 399MI6 Agent
    It's the equivalent of "The crystal skull", in the Indiana Jones series :D

    The A-Team did an episode in the 5th season which was about a crystal skull but very Indiana like in its style. They also parodied The Man From Uncle and KnightRider.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Recently rewatching the x files it amazing how many episodes
    ideas foretold big movies.
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    Jimmy Bond wrote:
    Its not difficult to see how NSNA was superior to OP, though. Its just that it wasn't as superior as those people said it must've been.

    I've seen both films many times, and I still cannot figure out any way that NSNA is superior to OP.
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  • Jimmy BondJimmy Bond Posts: 324MI6 Agent
    Grittier look and a better showcase of location of the Bahamas over the standard, cliched and basically tepid depiction of India in OP, better direction in NSNA over Glen's restricted hand, better performances in NSNA by one of the single best casts for any Bond film (Brandauer's tied with Robert Davi as the best '80's villain) over OP's fairly average cast (Louis Jordan hams it so, so bad though, and poor Kabir Bedi is WASTED in this), and chiefly Connery's better than Moore in this. OP obviously is better as far as the score and a lot of its action is concerned, but I appreciate NSNA allows for more intrigue to take place.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    It's always great to read an unbiased review :)) I really must
    Start stating my opinion as fact ;)
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