I am all for it, but I and many others still doubt that the Brexit vote was FAIR!
The Brexit Camp where cheating with funding on many ways ( Russia came to help), they where lying ( anyone remember the NHS bus and the migrant caravan posters) and calling this out doesn‘t make me an undemocrat!
Brexit is done.
Whatever your opinions of the original referendum are we have since had two general elections, both won with a Brexit mandate. The last one in December could not have been clearer or more decisive. That's basically 3 votes on Brexit.
I voted remain but I have to say the Remain campaign was an absolute disgrace. I view it that Leave didn't win.It was Remain's referendum to lose and they screwed it up massively. Nigel may have been running around on a big red bus but George Osborn was threatening punishment budgets and World War 3!!
you are missing the context because several posts have been deleted.
In short, Joshua calls me an undemocrat since I have accused the Brexit Camp for lying and cheating and he continues to do it until today.
I for my part hope that the UK will exit hard on 1st January because that‘s what the majority wanted - no matter on what their decision was based on.
It will hurt us in the EU, without a doubt it will hurt the UK much more.
There are no winners in this tragedy.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
you are missing the context because several posts have been deleted.
In short, Joshua calls me an undemocrat since I have accused the Brexit Camp for lying and cheating and he continues to do it until today.
DOH!!! Now I feel like I missed out on something immensely fun!!!
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
you are missing the context because several posts have been deleted.
In short, Joshua calls me an undemocrat since I have accused the Brexit Camp for lying and cheating and he continues to do it until today.
I for my part hope that the UK will exit hard on 1st January because that‘s what the majority wanted - no matter on what their decision was based on.
It will hurt us in the EU, without a doubt it will hurt the UK much more.
There are no winners in this tragedy.
Voter turnout in the 2016 election was 55.5%. The last time the tournout was over 60% was back in 1968. But in Texas alone the early voting is already nearly as high as the total turnout in 2016. Do you think it's possible the turnout will hit 60% on Tuesday?
you are missing the context because several posts have been deleted.
In short, Joshua calls me an undemocrat since I have accused the Brexit Camp for lying and cheating and he continues to do it until today.
I for my part hope that the UK will exit hard on 1st January because that‘s what the majority wanted - no matter on what their decision was based on.
It will hurt us in the EU, without a doubt it will hurt the UK much more.
There are no winners in this tragedy.
Oh ok .
I saw some posts had been removed.
Please never allow the 'context' to be given to you from one point of view. You will never get actual 'context' by doing that, only opinion.
I asked a question in the movie thread, but I belive it's relelvant here too: In the last 10-20 years has there been any major movies or TV series about the opioid crisis, the decline of industry in the US and the rust belt in particular, the steady decline of coal and the prolems in agriculture in the midwest?
Back in the day there were movies like Metawan (1987), The coal miner's daughter (1990), Harlan county war (2000), Panic in needle park (1971) etc.
I think a large part of Trump's success comes down to people in these situations and areas have felt neglected by Washington and they feel/felt seen by Donald Trump. It's another question if he really cares about them, but I think parts of Trump's supports can be explained this way. A Hollywood movie or five won't fix their problems, but feeling seen is a powerful thing. I wish ... say, the budget of "Batman vs Superman" had been spent on a few movies on these issues, using first rate actors, scriptwiters and directors.
I think this happens in votes in other countries for the same reason.
I did not vote in the Brexit vote, although I was able to, and I had no side to take - only that I would respect the outcome. I do think that the factor of 'neglect' was a part in the Brexit vote by people who thought they were being left behind by the government and EU. The Labour party and others who tried to undermine that vote had their answer from the people several times but, most importantly of all in December 2019. That should be a warning to any political party anywhere who want to ignore or dismiss the voice of the electorate.
Whether this next point is actually true or not I can only speculate but I do know that the EU was blamed on many occasions for many things by politicians - some times just to cover their own failings. This excuse (if it was an excuse) can no longer be used.
While I am not a fan of Trump, it does not matter to me personally who wins the US elections, but, whoever it is, and even though
I might not like it, I will respect the vote of the people and therefore the outcome.
I'm listening to a radio interview on Seth Rogen with Bernie Sanders and Sanders said insulin prices are ten times as high in the US compared to Canada. Is this true? I'm a diabetic myself so I find it interesting.
I did some research. One of the two types of insuline I use is Novorapid flexpen, called Novolog in the US. I pay 230 NOK for one package, that's 24 USD. In the US you have to pay at least 116 USD for the same package of five flexpens!
There was an interesting documentary tonight on german TV.
When they heard Republicans ranting about „radical left socialists“ the camerawoman said, that she is old enough having experienced socialism in the „GDR“
„They have no idea what they are talking about“
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Many Americans have no idea what radical socialism really is. I remember some years ago I posted about the far left in Norway (we have maoists and stalinists, but very few). An American posted back:"We have a far left here too" and posted a photo of the US Senate ) ) )
And I have lived through real 'socialist' oppression and also been a victim of it.
Imprisonment was the 'kindest' of the fates the real extremists issued to me.
I still bear the scars, mental and physical.
That is true extreme left.
I simply shrug my shoulders and shake my head when people in the US speak about 'communism' or other ideologies of the left which they believe have infiltrated their society.
I believe that their definition of these things are far different to mine.
So true. when I listen to Trump and others talking about Kamala Harries and others as "the extreme left" I just shake my head and laugh. Luckily I don't have the direct experience you have, but I have read a lot about communism in the Soviet Union, DDR and China under Mao. I have had discussions with stalinists and maoists both online and face to face. Even Bernie Sanders is very far from the real extreme left.
Election result: Biden victory 85-90%
Chanse of Biden winning the majority of the votes nationally: 95-99%
Chanse of Trump being a dignified loser: 0%
Chanse of Trump being a dignified winner: 0%
Chanse of Trump claiming he was cheated of votes because of fraud: 100% *
* (This number is the same regardless of the evidence situation)
In all my decades I'm not sure there's been such a dispiriting US election as this one. You'd almost want them both to lose. Not saying UK democracy is much better, the choice last time being between Corbyn and Johnson.
"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."
Roger Moore 1927-2017
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I stayed up until Trump won Florida, then I went to bed knowing it would be along and messy election. If Biden had won Florida I don't really see how Trump would have a chance, but now this can take days or even weeks.
I stayed up until Trump won Florida, then Ii went to bed knowing it wouldbe along a nd messy election. If Biden had won Florida i don't really see how Trump would have a chance, but this can take days or even weeks.
What are you talking about, Trump said he's won the election...there's now no need to waste days or weeks counting all the rest of those silly votes.
Yes, the word of such a restrained, analytical and honest president must be the final word! )
It will be exciting to see how many votes Trump and the Republicans can stop from being counted.
All polls turned out to be totally off - again - after they said, that they learnt from the 2016 mistakes!
My personal opinion was, that if significantly more people would vote, that would be a landslide win for the democrats because it was hard to believe for me that Trump will be able to get „new“ voters from that plus. Turns out, that I‘ve been totally wrong - for the first time ever may I say
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I wouldn't say totally wrong, we're talking about small margins in a few states.
I just read this is the highest voter turnout in the USA since the year 1900!
it goes agains my political and ethical conviction to say that's a bad thing even though we know it's because of the level of conflict in the country.
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Brexit is done.
Whatever your opinions of the original referendum are we have since had two general elections, both won with a Brexit mandate. The last one in December could not have been clearer or more decisive. That's basically 3 votes on Brexit.
I voted remain but I have to say the Remain campaign was an absolute disgrace. I view it that Leave didn't win.It was Remain's referendum to lose and they screwed it up massively. Nigel may have been running around on a big red bus but George Osborn was threatening punishment budgets and World War 3!!
you are missing the context because several posts have been deleted.
In short, Joshua calls me an undemocrat since I have accused the Brexit Camp for lying and cheating and he continues to do it until today.
I for my part hope that the UK will exit hard on 1st January because that‘s what the majority wanted - no matter on what their decision was based on.
It will hurt us in the EU, without a doubt it will hurt the UK much more.
There are no winners in this tragedy.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
DOH!!! Now I feel like I missed out on something immensely fun!!!
-Mr Arlington Beech
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Oh ok .
I saw some posts had been removed.
Please never allow the 'context' to be given to you from one point of view. You will never get actual 'context' by doing that, only opinion.
Back in the day there were movies like Metawan (1987), The coal miner's daughter (1990), Harlan county war (2000), Panic in needle park (1971) etc.
I think a large part of Trump's success comes down to people in these situations and areas have felt neglected by Washington and they feel/felt seen by Donald Trump. It's another question if he really cares about them, but I think parts of Trump's supports can be explained this way. A Hollywood movie or five won't fix their problems, but feeling seen is a powerful thing. I wish ... say, the budget of "Batman vs Superman" had been spent on a few movies on these issues, using first rate actors, scriptwiters and directors.
I did not vote in the Brexit vote, although I was able to, and I had no side to take - only that I would respect the outcome. I do think that the factor of 'neglect' was a part in the Brexit vote by people who thought they were being left behind by the government and EU. The Labour party and others who tried to undermine that vote had their answer from the people several times but, most importantly of all in December 2019. That should be a warning to any political party anywhere who want to ignore or dismiss the voice of the electorate.
Whether this next point is actually true or not I can only speculate but I do know that the EU was blamed on many occasions for many things by politicians - some times just to cover their own failings. This excuse (if it was an excuse) can no longer be used.
While I am not a fan of Trump, it does not matter to me personally who wins the US elections, but, whoever it is, and even though
I might not like it, I will respect the vote of the people and therefore the outcome.
I often see Trump in front of Air Force One doing his rallies.
Who is paying for usage of the planes during campaigning?
If the taxpayer does, wouldn‘t that give him a massive edge against his opponents who have to pay for transportation by their own?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Found this and thought it might help.
I did some research. One of the two types of insuline I use is Novorapid flexpen, called Novolog in the US. I pay 230 NOK for one package, that's 24 USD. In the US you have to pay at least 116 USD for the same package of five flexpens!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine
There was an interesting documentary tonight on german TV.
When they heard Republicans ranting about „radical left socialists“ the camerawoman said, that she is old enough having experienced socialism in the „GDR“
„They have no idea what they are talking about“
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Imprisonment was the 'kindest' of the fates the real extremists issued to me.
I still bear the scars, mental and physical.
That is true extreme left.
I simply shrug my shoulders and shake my head when people in the US speak about 'communism' or other ideologies of the left which they believe have infiltrated their society.
I believe that their definition of these things are far different to mine.
(drum roll
Election result: Biden victory 85-90%
Chanse of Biden winning the majority of the votes nationally: 95-99%
Chanse of Trump being a dignified loser: 0%
Chanse of Trump being a dignified winner: 0%
Chanse of Trump claiming he was cheated of votes because of fraud: 100% *
* (This number is the same regardless of the evidence situation)
Roger Moore 1927-2017
If Trump wins you may not have four years left on the planet
What are you talking about, Trump said he's won the election...there's now no need to waste days or weeks counting all the rest of those silly votes.
It will be exciting to see how many votes Trump and the Republicans can stop from being counted.
All polls turned out to be totally off - again - after they said, that they learnt from the 2016 mistakes!
My personal opinion was, that if significantly more people would vote, that would be a landslide win for the democrats because it was hard to believe for me that Trump will be able to get „new“ voters from that plus. Turns out, that I‘ve been totally wrong - for the first time ever may I say
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I just read this is the highest voter turnout in the USA since the year 1900!
it goes agains my political and ethical conviction to say that's a bad thing even though we know it's because of the level of conflict in the country.
The more the merrier, I applaud everbody who took time to vote!
The polls 2016 where much closer than the ones for 2020- they predicted a Biden win by some margins - while pointing out that „that could change“.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!