Are the male M's Gay?

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  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Maybe M should have been carrying a handbag earlier? :D
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    How would Oscar Wilde have put it...?

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    "A handbag????"
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    OGG007 wrote:
    In Australia the Government (or at least the taxpayer) has just spent $122 million on a postal vote to decide whether same sex couples should be able to be legally married.

    Personally I could care less. If you're a Catholic and a church goer by all means go nuts. If not and you're an atheist like myself who cares? Each to their own I guess if you even have an opinion.

    For mine I think it could have been money better spent elsewhere; police force, immigration, hospitals, education etc.

    They should just pass the law like we did in NZ without public consultation :)
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    You all are very, very bad people.

    You noticed!

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    :)) {[]
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    OGG007 wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:

    You're all correct that I'm being facetious. Something I despise is when people go off on the flimsiest of tangents to try to argue their position, often using a lack of evidence as evidence. Thus, Sherlock Holmes and Watson (like Batman and Robin) are secretly gay lovers,

    I was convinced Adam West (Batman) was gay when he never got an erection (not that I was looking but in that outfit/underpants?) on screen when Julie Newmar (Catwoman) used to flirt with him in the series. I know he was quite the ladies man in real life but she was something else - what was not to like, she was stunning. Probably had some sort of anti Viagra device in that Utility Belt of his. 8-)
    I was a boy in the 1970s, when Batman was rerun incessantly, and I will say among my first burgeoning understandings of my rampant heterosexuality was seeing Julie Newmar in a catsuit.
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    +1. {[] and Marilu Henner in Taxi ;%
    "How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    For me, it was Julie Newmar, Farrah Fawcett, Barbara Feldon, Yvonne Craig, and Diana Rigg. There were others in there ,too, but these were the leaders.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Interesting thread this is turning out to be!
    Things learnt so far: Adam West sellotaped his manhood to his thigh
    Some people think M is gay as he works in male dominated situation in books written by a man in the 1950's
    Gassy man is a rampant heterosexual! And chose a discussion on homosexuality to divulge this... Interesting :D
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    :)) :)) :))
    "How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    I don't think Fleming would have went along with this theory plus he has already disproved it anyhow by having M whistle in TMWTGG! :D
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    edited September 2017
    No, he whistled AT The man with the Golden Gun ;)
    Plus all the uniforms

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    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Is that General Medrano at the end there? :))
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    These are all very stereotypical jokes ect, with my photo
    Of the Village People, But I hope any gay members of AJB
    Will not take offence. It is only some affectionate joking.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    These are all very stereotypical jokes ect, with my photo
    Of the Village People, But I hope any gay members of AJB
    Will not take offence. It is only some affectionate joking.

    Me too actually. -{
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    These are all very stereotypical jokes ect, with my photo
    Of the Village People, But I hope any gay members of AJB
    Will not take offence. It is only some affectionate joking.

    Me too actually. -{
    Actually, the stereotypes are germane, as absent of any direct evidence, one would likely have to draw upon them, as I tried to lampoon in my original post. For the record, if M was gay, it wouldn't change a thing for me.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Interesting thread this is turning out to be!
    Things learnt so far: Adam West sellotaped his manhood to his thigh
    Some people think M is gay as he works in male dominated situation in books written by a man in the 1950's
    Gassy man is a rampant heterosexual! And chose a discussion on homosexuality to divulge this... Interesting :D
    My interest is purely academic, not that there's anything wrong with that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0pPPkkT7GI
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Interesting thread this is turning out to be!
    Things learnt so far: Adam West sellotaped his manhood to his thigh
    Some people think M is gay as he works in male dominated situation in books written by a man in the 1950's
    Gassy man is a rampant heterosexual! And chose a discussion on homosexuality to divulge this... Interesting :D
    My interest is purely academic, not that there's anything wrong with that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0pPPkkT7GI

    A Seinfeld reference on a James Bond forum! Heaven, definitely heaven.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Actually, the stereotypes are germane...

    Which one is Higgins? :o :D
    "How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    The one in green trainers, of course! :D
  • WadsyWadsy Auckland, New ZealandPosts: 412MI6 Agent
    No offense or anything, but I think this has to be one of the most absurd ideas in the history of James Bond. Could he be gay? No way in heck-hell! That's just 'M's' character, why would there be any homosexuality in MI6, why would Ian Fleming in his right mind want to turn from the focus on 007 himself just to do that with the head of MI6? I can't word this any better! In my opinion this idea is just absurd.
    1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. LTK 4. FRWL 5. TLD 6. TSWLM 7. AVTAK 8. GF 9. MR 10. TB 11. OP 12. SF 13. DN 14. SP 15. LALD 16. GE 17. CR 18. YOLT 19. TWINE 20. TMWTGG 21. NTTD 22. TND 23. QOS 24. NSNA 25. DAD 26. DAF 27. CR '67

    1. Dalton 2. Moore 3. Connery 4. Lazenby 5. Craig 6. Brosnan
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Wadsy wrote:
    No offense or anything, but I think this has to be one of the most absurd ideas in the history of James Bond. Could he be gay? No way in heck-hell! That's just 'M's' character, why would there be any homosexuality in MI6, why would Ian Fleming in his right mind want to turn from the focus on 007 himself just to do that with the head of MI6? I can't word this any better! In my opinion this idea is just absurd.
    Which I think is GM's while point in making this thread. Some people draw ridiculous conclusions from little or no actual evidence, they seem to add 2 and 2 and get 5.
    In reality Fleming based M on a real life person, who at the time of writing would in no way be in that position if he were gay. Homosexuality was illegal in the UK then and a real M would be far too easily compromised and at odds with the establishment of the day.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Homosexuality was illegal in the UK then and a real M would be far too easily compromised and at odds with the establishment of the day.
    one would assume that's a security risk, but J Edgar Hoover was head of the FBI for decades and was himself the blackmail-master. Despite the rumours, he held his job even through the Red Scare, and would have outlasted Nixon if he hadn't died in office of old age first


    Fleming wrote some outrageous stuff about homosexuality (eg it was the result of having given women the vote, is that from Goldfinger?), so I highly doubt he intended one of his main recurring characters to be gay. Pearson even suggests M was closer to Fleming in real life than Bond was: the man behind the desk who planned the field-agents' exciting missions for them.

    But Fleming did associate with literary circles his whole life. Despite his own ostentatious heterosexuality, he must have known many gay men who were out and proud?
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    here is the quote from Goldfinger
    fleming wrote:
    Bond came to the conclusion that Tilly Masterton was one of those girls whose hormones had got mixed up. He knew the type well and thought they and their male counterparts were a direct consequence of giving votes to women and 'sex equality'. As a result of fifty years of emancipation, feminine qualities were dying out or being transferred to the males. Pansies of both sexes were everywhere, not yet completely homosexual, but confused, not knowing what they were. The result was a herd of unhappy sexual misfits—barren and full of frustrations, the women wanting to dominate and the men to be nannied. He was sorry for them, but he had no time for them.
    (PAN edition, pg. 189)
    so is that Fleming putting his own thoughts into Bond's head, or is he imagining how a tough Bond type character would think if he really existed?
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,458MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:
    Homosexuality was illegal in the UK then and a real M would be far too easily compromised and at odds with the establishment of the day.
    one would assume that's a security risk, but J Edgar Hoover was head of the FBI for decades and was himself the blackmail-master. Despite the rumours, he held his job even through the Red Scare, and would have outlasted Nixon if he hadn't died in office of old age first


    Fleming wrote some outrageous stuff about homosexuality (eg it was the result of having given women the vote, is that from Goldfinger?), so I highly doubt he intended one of his main recurring characters to be gay. Pearson even suggests M was closer to Fleming in real life than Bond was: the man behind the desk who planned the field-agents' exciting missions for them.

    But Fleming did associate with literary circles his whole life. Despite his own ostentatious heterosexuality, he must have known many gay men who were out and proud?

    I doubt any gay men were out in any sort of obvious way. Homosexuality was only legalised here in 1967. It was punishable by prison and many gay men ended up serving severe sentences. I'm sure there was some sort of knowledge about some men which a blind eye was turned to but I suppose this is why gay men were forced to be clandestine about their natural state? Thankfully we live in a more tolerant time and people are free to live how they choose or were born.
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 3,013MI6 Agent
    For Bernard Lee's M, Bond's reference to his past antics in Hong Kong (FRWL) comes close to settling the question in favour of him being straight, but I always found that jokey moment jarring... essentially because a sort of asexuality best suits the role.
    Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 53 years.
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    Shady Tree wrote:
    For Bernard Lee's M, Bond's reference to his past antics in Hong Kong (FRWL) comes close to settling the question in favour of him being straight, but I always found that jokey moment jarring... essentially because a sort of asexuality best suits the role.
    Well, give him enough cognac with an overdose of Bon Bois and he will have an interesting experience with anyone.
    a reasonable rate of return
  • Revolver66Revolver66 Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 470MI6 Agent
    I always thought of M as asexual, but maybe he's just quiet about it :)) If he was gay I wonder what Bond he would fancy the most...
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    M was always asking for some rough Shag.............. to fill his pipe .
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    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Dirty PunkerDirty Punker ...Your Eyes Only, darling."Posts: 2,587MI6 Agent
    Revolver66 wrote:
    I always thought of M as asexual, but maybe he's just quiet about it :)) If he was gay I wonder what Bond he would fancy the most...
    That also depends on which M we are talking about.
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