Should Brosnan have done a 5th?

DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
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Let's face it, we are all in agreement that it wasn't really Pierce's fault that his last few scripts went completely off the rails and his performances were pretty damn consistent throughout his tenure.

IMO Spectre was a far less enjoyable outing than DAD in many regards, yet Craig is nailed on to play the famous agent in Bond 25. With Pierce being the only actor who was basically fired from the role completely against his will, do you lot feel he should have been given one last shot to redeem his status as 007?
Ive always believed that if the scripts were toned down and tightened up then it would surely all have been uphill for his 5th outing.
....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get. That said I don't know where they could've taken Brosnan after DAD. Rebooting the franchise to its roots seemed like the right thing to do in the post 9/11 world.
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  • DieAnotherDayDieAnotherDay Glasgow, ScotlandPosts: 460MI6 Agent
    walther p99 wrote:
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get. That said I don't know where they could've taken Brosnan after DAD. Rebooting the franchise to its roots seemed like the right thing to do in the post 9/11 world.

    It would have been really cool to see Bond back in New Orleans, like in that game ... especially that immense bike/tanker chase haha
    ....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    walther p99 wrote:
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get. That said I don't know where they could've taken Brosnan after DAD. Rebooting the franchise to its roots seemed like the right thing to do in the post 9/11 world.

    I agree that rebooting the series was necessary, but what about a soft reboot like Moore got for FYEO? Brosnan could have stayed on, since MR and DAD are easily comparable. Both are over the top and both are the actors' fourth films. Brosnan was a bit younger than Moore in his 4th film, and he was not too old to make another couple of Bond films. Brosnan could have gotten his FYEO, and he would have been great if they filmed the CR story with Brosnan. If they wrote a script that stayed closer to the original novel, Brosnan would have been perfect for it.
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  • Mr_OsatoMr_Osato Posts: 398MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    walther p99 wrote:
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get. That said I don't know where they could've taken Brosnan after DAD. Rebooting the franchise to its roots seemed like the right thing to do in the post 9/11 world.

    I agree that rebooting the series was necessary, but what about a soft reboot like Moore got for FYEO? Brosnan could have stayed on, since MR and DAD are easily comparable. Both are over the top and both are the actors' fourth films. Brosnan was a bit younger than Moore in his 4th film, and he was not too old to make another couple of Bond films. Brosnan could have gotten his FYEO, and he would have been great if they filmed the CR story with Brosnan. If they wrote a script that stayed closer to the original novel, Brosnan would have been perfect for it.

    Totally agree. CR is one of my favorites, but I do believe that Brozza did a bang up job as Bond. He ticked all the boxes as what to expect of a Bond actor. But he deserved a much better ending to his Bond tenure. GE is somewhat of a classic and TWINE is underrated. But he never got a chance to really have a great Bond story, with a classic villain and a great Bond girl.

    Craig was definitely great in CR, but like you said, Brozza could have done it too. I was always kind of curious how Tarantino would have done CR with Brosnan as Bond. Could have been a totally 'different animal' but would have loved to have seen it.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,077Chief of Staff
    DieAnotherDay wrote:
    With Pierce being the only actor who was basically fired from the role completely against his will, do you lot feel he should have been given one last shot to redeem his status as 007?

    Yes.
  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    A thousand times. Yes he should have.
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    1. Connery 2. Moore 3. Dalton 4. Brosnan 5. Craig 6. Lazenby
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    walther p99 wrote:
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get.
    I vowed not to play video games anymore years ago, being the obsessive-compulsive type I would waste a lot of time if I got started on one

    but could you tell us more about this Everything or Nothing, and how you figure it adds up to a fifth Brosnan adventure? are the characters actors who've been filmed, rather than 3d graphics? is there a plot substantial enough to have worked as a 2 hour film, if they'd chosen the more traditional medium?

    do I need to break my no-video-games vow to complete my Bond-knowledge?
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    DieAnotherDay wrote:
    With Pierce being the only actor who was basically fired from the role completely against his will, do you lot feel he should have been given one last shot to redeem his status as 007?

    Yes.

    Yes, but it would have to have been in 2004 or so. It might even have been his best film of the lot if lessons had been learned from DAD and a return to a serious Bond plot and characterisation relying on a Fleming source.
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 4,140MI6 Agent
    actually I think Die Another Day had the most Fleming content of any of his four films, as counterintuitive as that might be
    Casino Royale would presumably be a completely different film with Brosnan, as it wouldn't have been a origin/prequel
  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    walther p99 wrote:
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get. That said I don't know where they could've taken Brosnan after DAD. Rebooting the franchise to its roots seemed like the right thing to do in the post 9/11 world.

    I agree that rebooting the series was necessary, but what about a soft reboot like Moore got for FYEO? Brosnan could have stayed on, since MR and DAD are easily comparable. Both are over the top and both are the actors' fourth films. Brosnan was a bit younger than Moore in his 4th film, and he was not too old to make another couple of Bond films. Brosnan could have gotten his FYEO, and he would have been great if they filmed the CR story with Brosnan. If they wrote a script that stayed closer to the original novel, Brosnan would have been perfect for it.

    I'd have preferred a soft reboot than what we got. Perhaps no reboot at all and just a shifting of tone. A Brosnan CR might have done that beautifully, and I certainly agree could have been done closer to the novel.

    11 years on and the '06 CR is one of the Bonds I feel isn't quite holding up. The origin story/reboot concept is really gimmicky and dated. Had it not followed a current trend, and CR been done as another Bond assignment, the film could have been as timeless and re-watchable as FRWL or OHMSS. In fact it really should have been. I feel the deliberate placing of Craig in a separate timeline/universe/story arc has limited the series to such a degree, it's no wonder we've been discussing the possible EON sale of Bond post B25. I have never before felt that the next film in the series would most likely be the last as I do about B25, and although time will tell, if that proves true I believe the approach taken during the Craig era is to blame.

    Brosnan most certainly should have had a 5th outing IMO, as his era embodied a sense of security in the franchise. The future of Bond felt in good hands with Brosnan. Although DAD was my least favorite, had he done a 5th I have no doubt there would have been the appropriate change in tone to accommodate the 21st century and Brosnan's contemporary Bond.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    walther p99 wrote:
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get. That said I don't know where they could've taken Brosnan after DAD. Rebooting the franchise to its roots seemed like the right thing to do in the post 9/11 world.

    I agree that rebooting the series was necessary, but what about a soft reboot like Moore got for FYEO? Brosnan could have stayed on, since MR and DAD are easily comparable. Both are over the top and both are the actors' fourth films. Brosnan was a bit younger than Moore in his 4th film, and he was not too old to make another couple of Bond films. Brosnan could have gotten his FYEO, and he would have been great if they filmed the CR story with Brosnan. If they wrote a script that stayed closer to the original novel, Brosnan would have been perfect for it.

    I'd have preferred a soft reboot than what we got. Perhaps no reboot at all and just a shifting of tone. A Brosnan CR might have done that beautifully, and I certainly agree could have been done closer to the novel.

    11 years on and the '06 CR is one of the Bonds I feel isn't quite holding up. The origin story/reboot concept is really gimmicky and dated. Had it not followed a current trend, and CR been done as another Bond assignment, the film could have been as timeless and re-watchable as FRWL or OHMSS. In fact it really should have been. IMO, the deliberate placing of Craig in a separate timeline/universe/story arc has limited the series to such a degree, it's no wonder we've been discussing the possible EON sale of Bond post B25. I have never before felt that the next film in the series would most likely be the last as I do about B25, and although time will tell, if that proves true I believe the approach taken during the Craig era is to blame.

    Brosnan most certainly should have had a 5th outing IMO, as his era embodied a sense of security in the franchise. The future of Bond felt in good hands with Brosnan. Although DAD was my least favorite, had he done a 5th I have no doubt there would have been the appropriate change in tone to accommodate the 21st century and Brosnan's contemporary Bond.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    walther p99 wrote:
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get. That said I don't know where they could've taken Brosnan after DAD. Rebooting the franchise to its roots seemed like the right thing to do in the post 9/11 world.

    I agree that rebooting the series was necessary, but what about a soft reboot like Moore got for FYEO? Brosnan could have stayed on, since MR and DAD are easily comparable. Both are over the top and both are the actors' fourth films. Brosnan was a bit younger than Moore in his 4th film, and he was not too old to make another couple of Bond films. Brosnan could have gotten his FYEO, and he would have been great if they filmed the CR story with Brosnan. If they wrote a script that stayed closer to the original novel, Brosnan would have been perfect for it.

    I'd have preferred a soft reboot than what we got. Perhaps no reboot at all and just a shifting of tone. A Brosnan CR might have done that beautifully, and I certainly agree could have been done closer to the novel.

    11 years on and the '06 CR is one of the Bonds I feel isn't quite holding up. The origin story/reboot concept is really gimmicky and dated. Had it not followed a current trend, and CR been done as another Bond assignment, the film could have been as timeless and re-watchable as FRWL or OHMSS. In fact it really should have been. IMO, the deliberate placing of Craig in a separate timeline/universe/story arc has limited the series to such a degree, it's no wonder we've been discussing the possible EON sale of Bond post B25. I have never before felt that the next film in the series would most likely be the last as I do about B25, and although time will tell, if that proves true I believe the approach taken during the Craig era is to blame.

    Brosnan most certainly should have had a 5th outing IMO, as his era embodied a sense of security in the franchise. The future of Bond felt in good hands with Brosnan. Although DAD was my least favorite, had he done a 5th I have no doubt there would have been the appropriate change in tone to accommodate the 21st century and Brosnan's contemporary Bond.

    I agree that the reboot in CR feels gimmicky and is not so re-watchable, but I think we're in the minority. The character development in the film is incredibly fake and just feels tedious as part of the story. The whole movie feels and looks very dated to me. The colour scheme of the film (which was also used in the title sequence) is part of the problem, though since I'm a designer I'm probably bothered by that more than other people are. The only thing that holds up perfectly is David Arnold's score. His last two Brosnan scores really feel dated in comparison, but the music is still superb. A more normal mission up to the part of Bond's torture would have been a better way to pace the movie.
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  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    I agree that rebooting the series was necessary, but what about a soft reboot like Moore got for FYEO? Brosnan could have stayed on, since MR and DAD are easily comparable. Both are over the top and both are the actors' fourth films. Brosnan was a bit younger than Moore in his 4th film, and he was not too old to make another couple of Bond films. Brosnan could have gotten his FYEO, and he would have been great if they filmed the CR story with Brosnan. If they wrote a script that stayed closer to the original novel, Brosnan would have been perfect for it.

    I'd have preferred a soft reboot than what we got. Perhaps no reboot at all and just a shifting of tone. A Brosnan CR might have done that beautifully, and I certainly agree could have been done closer to the novel.

    11 years on and the '06 CR is one of the Bonds I feel isn't quite holding up. The origin story/reboot concept is really gimmicky and dated. Had it not followed a current trend, and CR been done as another Bond assignment, the film could have been as timeless and re-watchable as FRWL or OHMSS. In fact it really should have been. IMO, the deliberate placing of Craig in a separate timeline/universe/story arc has limited the series to such a degree, it's no wonder we've been discussing the possible EON sale of Bond post B25. I have never before felt that the next film in the series would most likely be the last as I do about B25, and although time will tell, if that proves true I believe the approach taken during the Craig era is to blame.

    Brosnan most certainly should have had a 5th outing IMO, as his era embodied a sense of security in the franchise. The future of Bond felt in good hands with Brosnan. Although DAD was my least favorite, had he done a 5th I have no doubt there would have been the appropriate change in tone to accommodate the 21st century and Brosnan's contemporary Bond.

    I agree that the reboot in CR feels gimmicky and is not so re-watchable, but I think we're in the minority. The character development in the film is incredibly fake and just feels tedious as part of the story. The whole movie feels and looks very dated to me. The colour scheme of the film (which was also used in the title sequence) is part of the problem, though since I'm a designer I'm probably bothered by that more than other people are. The only thing that holds up perfectly is David Arnold's score. His last two Brosnan scores really feel dated in comparison, but the music is still superb. A more normal mission up to the part of Bond's torture would have been a better way to pace the movie.

    What was it about the color scheme did you not like? I preferred the color in the trailers to what was present in the final film actually. Almost more like the early Connery films. When I read the novel I envisioned FRWL like colors. Having seen decent 35mm prints of all the films (except TMWTGG) in the cinema, I'm also particular about the colors. Some Blu-ray and DVD transfers looking better than others.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:

    I'd have preferred a soft reboot than what we got. Perhaps no reboot at all and just a shifting of tone. A Brosnan CR might have done that beautifully, and I certainly agree could have been done closer to the novel.

    11 years on and the '06 CR is one of the Bonds I feel isn't quite holding up. The origin story/reboot concept is really gimmicky and dated. Had it not followed a current trend, and CR been done as another Bond assignment, the film could have been as timeless and re-watchable as FRWL or OHMSS. In fact it really should have been. IMO, the deliberate placing of Craig in a separate timeline/universe/story arc has limited the series to such a degree, it's no wonder we've been discussing the possible EON sale of Bond post B25. I have never before felt that the next film in the series would most likely be the last as I do about B25, and although time will tell, if that proves true I believe the approach taken during the Craig era is to blame.

    Brosnan most certainly should have had a 5th outing IMO, as his era embodied a sense of security in the franchise. The future of Bond felt in good hands with Brosnan. Although DAD was my least favorite, had he done a 5th I have no doubt there would have been the appropriate change in tone to accommodate the 21st century and Brosnan's contemporary Bond.

    I agree that the reboot in CR feels gimmicky and is not so re-watchable, but I think we're in the minority. The character development in the film is incredibly fake and just feels tedious as part of the story. The whole movie feels and looks very dated to me. The colour scheme of the film (which was also used in the title sequence) is part of the problem, though since I'm a designer I'm probably bothered by that more than other people are. The only thing that holds up perfectly is David Arnold's score. His last two Brosnan scores really feel dated in comparison, but the music is still superb. A more normal mission up to the part of Bond's torture would have been a better way to pace the movie.

    What was it about the color scheme did you not like? I preferred the color in the trailers to what was present in the final film actually. Almost more like the early Connery films. When I read the novel I envisioned FRWL like colors. Having seen decent 35mm prints of all the films (except TMWTGG) in the cinema, I'm also particular about the colors. Some Blu-ray and DVD transfers looking better than others.

    It's rather yellow, but not as bad as Spectre's yellow tint. Spectre's yellow takes over all of the colours while CR's yellow is just a little emphasised, and in CR it's mostly the inside scenes that have this look. It looks like all of the scenes were filmed with my bedroom lamps. I think it's meant to give the film more of an old-world look without looking like an old film. The yellow is also over the black-and-white PTS, which I can't stand. I wish it were a true black-and-white. The title sequence has a lot of yellows and browns. With all of the playing cards in the title, I think something that more purely takes from the black, red and white from the cards would have given it a better, more timeless look.
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  • ToTheRightToTheRight Posts: 314MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    I agree that the reboot in CR feels gimmicky and is not so re-watchable, but I think we're in the minority. The character development in the film is incredibly fake and just feels tedious as part of the story. The whole movie feels and looks very dated to me. The colour scheme of the film (which was also used in the title sequence) is part of the problem, though since I'm a designer I'm probably bothered by that more than other people are. The only thing that holds up perfectly is David Arnold's score. His last two Brosnan scores really feel dated in comparison, but the music is still superb. A more normal mission up to the part of Bond's torture would have been a better way to pace the movie.

    What was it about the color scheme did you not like? I preferred the color in the trailers to what was present in the final film actually. Almost more like the early Connery films. When I read the novel I envisioned FRWL like colors. Having seen decent 35mm prints of all the films (except TMWTGG) in the cinema, I'm also particular about the colors. Some Blu-ray and DVD transfers looking better than others.

    It's rather yellow, but not as bad as Spectre's yellow tint. Spectre's yellow takes over all of the colours while CR's yellow is just a little emphasised, and in CR it's mostly the inside scenes that have this look. It looks like all of the scenes were filmed with my bedroom lamps. I think it's meant to give the film more of an old-world look without looking like an old film. The yellow is also over the black-and-white PTS, which I can't stand. I wish it were a true black-and-white. The title sequence has a lot of yellows and browns. With all of the playing cards in the title, I think something that more purely takes from the black, red and white from the cards would have given it a better, more timeless look.
    The shot of Bond as he enters the casino is too yellow as well. I almost would have liked the casino scenes to have been lit similar to TB's or DN's.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:

    What was it about the color scheme did you not like? I preferred the color in the trailers to what was present in the final film actually. Almost more like the early Connery films. When I read the novel I envisioned FRWL like colors. Having seen decent 35mm prints of all the films (except TMWTGG) in the cinema, I'm also particular about the colors. Some Blu-ray and DVD transfers looking better than others.

    It's rather yellow, but not as bad as Spectre's yellow tint. Spectre's yellow takes over all of the colours while CR's yellow is just a little emphasised, and in CR it's mostly the inside scenes that have this look. It looks like all of the scenes were filmed with my bedroom lamps. I think it's meant to give the film more of an old-world look without looking like an old film. The yellow is also over the black-and-white PTS, which I can't stand. I wish it were a true black-and-white. The title sequence has a lot of yellows and browns. With all of the playing cards in the title, I think something that more purely takes from the black, red and white from the cards would have given it a better, more timeless look.
    The shot of Bond as he enters the casino is too yellow as well. I almost would have liked the casino scenes to have been lit similar to TB's or DN's.

    Definitely! -{

    I forgot to mention that I agree that the trailer looks better than the film does.
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  • Andy007Andy007 Posts: 100MI6 Agent
    Brosnan's contract was for 3 films with the option of 4th. That was taken up by Die Another Day. It's basically like a footballer's contract expired, but you tell them you're not offering them a new deal. They're released but it's not quite a sacking. I'm pretty sure the producers wouldn't have had to pay him off. He had no contract. But it's true he was telephoned and told his services were no longer required.
    As for Brosnan in a 5th, physically he could've carried on but what we got instead was far better imo. A four-year gap to Casino Royale was well worth it. Casino Royale was a breath of fresh air and felt like a serious Bond film again, the tone we'd not felt since Dalton's days. Daniel Craig brought incredible intensity to the role, like Dalton but simply set in a modern era '2006'. I feel like things have really pushed on during Craig's reign. Brosnan wouldn't have been able to achieve this, he was the right Bond for the 90's, very good but not able to portray the dark, truly gritty side of Bobd we see in Craig and Dalton too.
    If you take the most serious films in each actor's tenure:- From Russia with love, OHMSS, For Your Eyes Only, Goldeneye, Licence to kill & Casino Royale (although any of Craig's movies qualify for being most serious) I think Brosnan probably couldn't have done much more, but doesn't quite hit the depths and edge of the others.
    He did a great job with the scripts he had, but I don't think his persona would ever pull off anything more than Goldeneye let him. There were glimpses in TND and Die Another Day got off to a good start with a dark storyline but it fails in the 2nd half. Even Moore's tone in A View to a kill is generally as dark as what we see from Brosnan. A 5th film wasn't needed by Brosnan and the truth is he wouldn't have justified it going by DAD's reviews. There had to be consequences to it. It's not that Brosnan got a rough deal and was treated harshly. It's that Bond needed a new direction and Pierce wouldn't have delivered that. Craig showed exactly why he was cast, magnificent job he's done in his tenure so far.
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    I agree that rebooting the series was necessary, but what about a soft reboot like Moore got for FYEO? Brosnan could have stayed on, since MR and DAD are easily comparable. Both are over the top and both are the actors' fourth films. Brosnan was a bit younger than Moore in his 4th film, and he was not too old to make another couple of Bond films. Brosnan could have gotten his FYEO, and he would have been great if they filmed the CR story with Brosnan. If they wrote a script that stayed closer to the original novel, Brosnan would have been perfect for it.

    I'd have preferred a soft reboot than what we got. Perhaps no reboot at all and just a shifting of tone. A Brosnan CR might have done that beautifully, and I certainly agree could have been done closer to the novel.

    11 years on and the '06 CR is one of the Bonds I feel isn't quite holding up. The origin story/reboot concept is really gimmicky and dated. Had it not followed a current trend, and CR been done as another Bond assignment, the film could have been as timeless and re-watchable as FRWL or OHMSS. In fact it really should have been. IMO, the deliberate placing of Craig in a separate timeline/universe/story arc has limited the series to such a degree, it's no wonder we've been discussing the possible EON sale of Bond post B25. I have never before felt that the next film in the series would most likely be the last as I do about B25, and although time will tell, if that proves true I believe the approach taken during the Craig era is to blame.

    Brosnan most certainly should have had a 5th outing IMO, as his era embodied a sense of security in the franchise. The future of Bond felt in good hands with Brosnan. Although DAD was my least favorite, had he done a 5th I have no doubt there would have been the appropriate change in tone to accommodate the 21st century and Brosnan's contemporary Bond.

    I agree that the reboot in CR feels gimmicky and is not so re-watchable, but I think we're in the minority. The character development in the film is incredibly fake and just feels tedious as part of the story. The whole movie feels and looks very dated to me. The colour scheme of the film (which was also used in the title sequence) is part of the problem, though since I'm a designer I'm probably bothered by that more than other people are. The only thing that holds up perfectly is David Arnold's score. His last two Brosnan scores really feel dated in comparison, but the music is still superb. A more normal mission up to the part of Bond's torture would have been a better way to pace the movie.

    I'm in the minority with you and I'm sure fans are sick of me saying it - but I find the films gets worse with every watch.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,616MI6 Agent
    heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    ToTheRight wrote:

    I'd have preferred a soft reboot than what we got. Perhaps no reboot at all and just a shifting of tone. A Brosnan CR might have done that beautifully, and I certainly agree could have been done closer to the novel.

    11 years on and the '06 CR is one of the Bonds I feel isn't quite holding up. The origin story/reboot concept is really gimmicky and dated. Had it not followed a current trend, and CR been done as another Bond assignment, the film could have been as timeless and re-watchable as FRWL or OHMSS. In fact it really should have been. IMO, the deliberate placing of Craig in a separate timeline/universe/story arc has limited the series to such a degree, it's no wonder we've been discussing the possible EON sale of Bond post B25. I have never before felt that the next film in the series would most likely be the last as I do about B25, and although time will tell, if that proves true I believe the approach taken during the Craig era is to blame.

    Brosnan most certainly should have had a 5th outing IMO, as his era embodied a sense of security in the franchise. The future of Bond felt in good hands with Brosnan. Although DAD was my least favorite, had he done a 5th I have no doubt there would have been the appropriate change in tone to accommodate the 21st century and Brosnan's contemporary Bond.

    I agree that the reboot in CR feels gimmicky and is not so re-watchable, but I think we're in the minority. The character development in the film is incredibly fake and just feels tedious as part of the story. The whole movie feels and looks very dated to me. The colour scheme of the film (which was also used in the title sequence) is part of the problem, though since I'm a designer I'm probably bothered by that more than other people are. The only thing that holds up perfectly is David Arnold's score. His last two Brosnan scores really feel dated in comparison, but the music is still superb. A more normal mission up to the part of Bond's torture would have been a better way to pace the movie.

    I'm in the minority with you and I'm sure fans are sick of me saying it - but I find the films gets worse with every watch.

    QOS is the only Craig film that I think gets better with every watch. One of the biggest problems with the films is the too-fast cuts. But after you've watched it a few times, it slows down in your mind because you've already seen it before. If you've watched it 5 times, a 1-second shot effectively has become a 5-second shot.
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    caractacus potts wrote:
    walther p99 wrote:
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get.
    I vowed not to play video games anymore years ago, being the obsessive-compulsive type I would waste a lot of time if I got started on one

    but could you tell us more about this Everything or Nothing, and how you figure it adds up to a fifth Brosnan adventure? are the characters actors who've been filmed, rather than 3d graphics? is there a plot substantial enough to have worked as a 2 hour film, if they'd chosen the more traditional medium?

    do I need to break my no-video-games vow to complete my Bond-knowledge?
    Its a lot like Die Another Day in its ridiculousness and absurdity but since its a video game its more or less expected. And a lot consider it Brosnan's final Bond outing because its the only game he provided both his voice and likeness towards.
    @deanwdunlevy
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
    I loved Brosnan during the first three films. However, he wasn't exactly the greatest actor in the World and it starts to grate on repeated viewings, his over emphasised and self imposed 'mid Atlantic' drawl and certain visual acting cues he repeats over and over are like OCD ticks. It was time for him to go if Bond was to compete with the much better and far more sophisticated action movies that had better actors in the lead. Kudos to Brozza for bridging the Connery/Moore eras, he did it and brought new audiences in. Bond would died a death though, if he did just one more. There would not have been a major audience appetite, such as it was, for any future Bond films, had he done a fifth. EON timed it perfectly, and gave us a Bond many had been craving that appealed to audience desire at the time and for a few years since.
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    QOS is the only Craig film that I think gets better with every watch.

    Good point.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,077Chief of Staff
    Silhouette Man wrote:
    Barbel wrote:
    DieAnotherDay wrote:
    With Pierce being the only actor who was basically fired from the role completely against his will, do you lot feel he should have been given one last shot to redeem his status as 007?

    Yes.

    Yes, but it would have to have been in 2004 or so.

    Still looking ok in 2006! (here with Jamie Lee Curtis at an awards ceremony)

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  • ml94ml94 FinlandPosts: 79MI6 Agent
    50-50.
    "Bond, James Bond"
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    walther p99 wrote:
    The game Everything or Nothing is more or less Brosnan's 5th Bond film, granted its not a real film but its as close as we'll get. That said I don't know where they could've taken Brosnan after DAD. Rebooting the franchise to its roots seemed like the right thing to do in the post 9/11 world.

    I agree that rebooting the series was necessary, but what about a soft reboot like Moore got for FYEO? Brosnan could have stayed on, since MR and DAD are easily comparable. Both are over the top and both are the actors' fourth films. Brosnan was a bit younger than Moore in his 4th film, and he was not too old to make another couple of Bond films. Brosnan could have gotten his FYEO, and he would have been great if they filmed the CR story with Brosnan. If they wrote a script that stayed closer to the original novel, Brosnan would have been perfect for it.
    If they kept Brosnan after DAD and didn't get the rights to Casino Royale I think they would really no choice but to do a soft reboot. Which would be interesting to see how they brought Brosnan's Bond "back to basics" per se after the ridiculousness of DAD.
    @deanwdunlevy
  • VesperMelogranoVesperMelograno The SouthPosts: 901MI6 Agent
    He is still as stunning as ever toady. And Jamie Lee Curtis. I have been in love with her since I first saw "Trading Places."

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    As far as the original question, it was never going to happen.
    I've always wanted to have Christmas in Turkey
  • Silhouette ManSilhouette Man The last refuge of a scoundrelPosts: 8,865MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Silhouette Man wrote:
    Barbel wrote:

    Yes.

    Yes, but it would have to have been in 2004 or so.

    Still looking ok in 2006! (here with Jamie Lee Curtis at an awards ceremony)

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    Yes, certainly, though I was trying to fit the Craig reboot era in for 2006 or so! Anyway, it's all academic as it didn't happen.
    "The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    If Everything Or Nothing is Brosnan's fifth, does that make Bloodstone Craig's 3rd, and SP his 5th?
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • RemingtonRemington CAPosts: 239MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    If Everything Or Nothing is Brosnan's fifth, does that make Bloodstone Craig's 3rd, and SP his 5th?
    That's what I like to think.
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  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    The series needed Craig and CR the way it was. Ditching Brosnan was the right thing to do.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
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