Sanders & Sanders: Snuff or Chocolate?

BrackleyBond

I am looking to get a pair of the Sanders & Sanders Hi-Top Chukka Boots, but I'm unsure on which colour was used in SPECTRE, the Snuff or the Chocolate?

Does anyone know for sure?

Many thanks

Daniel

welshboy78

Think it was snuff.

Don’t want to be negative but they are not very well made. Mine worn once for a few hours and the soles really worn - crazy

Chriscoop

Mine too wore down remarkably quickly, they probably last much longer in the desert, which is of course what crepe soles are for. Also any slight wetness and on some surfaces they slip. I'd go for some lookalikes or some brown suede boots with a dainite sole.

Cheverian

Herring makes a version that seems to be well reviewed. I have no experience with them:

http://www.herringshoes.co.uk/product-info.php?&brandid=6&shoeid=11033

DB6

I agree - they don't wear well at all. Had a pair and the soles (in particular the 'foxing' around the sole edges looked awful after one wear.

They can't be resoled either.

walther p99

Agreed with the above comments. I only wear mine once maybe twice a year.

BondClothing

The whole outfit felt very "costume" when I first saw it. I couldn't imagine myself going about my day dressed like that however it has since grown on me ever so slighty.

sunny01

i've worn mine loads and not had any problems with wear at all.....i guess it depends on how light you are on your feet )

GS

I don't own a pair so can't comment but did see this morning via Instagram Mason and Sons are offering a free matching belt with the code BELTUP valid until midnight on Oct 4th.

They say in the same post Snuff was worn by Steve McQueen and Chocolate by DC in Spectre

BrackleyBond

This is why I'm thinking about it, however I always though that they were in Snuff (I think from watching Mantis's vlog on them) rather than in Chocolate!

When revisiting 'Bond Lifestyle' it said it was in either, so really don't know!

GS wrote:

I don't own a pair so can't comment but did see this morning via Instagram Mason and Sons are offering a free matching belt with the code BELTUP valid until midnight on Oct 4th.

They say in the same post Snuff was worn by Steve McQueen and Chocolate by DC in Spectre

Chriscoop

I don't think they've ever been positively id'd colour wise and of course those bloody filters in sp make discerning colours tricky. Personally I think they are more chocolate than snuff, certainly chocolate looks nearer to what is seen on screen even if they are not sa. My personal thoughts on these is that if you will only wear them occasionally then they are fine, the uppers are quality but the sole material negates them as a pair of daily beaters. My issue was with the outside of the heal wearing quick I replaced them with some delicious junction boots which look very similar but have a rubber sole and black separate foxing. They've to date worn well.

welshboy78

Isnt here a pap picture of DC walking around London in this outfit during the day? Might help

Llafyks

welshboy78 wrote:

Isnt here a pap picture of DC walking around London in this outfit during the day? Might help

Perhaps this might help? Snuff?

Chriscoop

Maybe it's my eyes but I'd say chocolate, I had them in snuff and they're just more gingery.



Chocolate


Snuff

walther p99

Chriscoop wrote:

Maybe it's my eyes but I'd say chocolate, I had them in snuff and they're just more gingery.



Chocolate


Snuff

Yeah it does look more chocolate then snuff. Doesn't matter though because I'm never buying another pair ) .

Chriscoop

) )

tango73

for those of you in the UK Next have the chocolate version at £180 which is a tenner cheaper than elsewhere...

CDP

I had the Sanders from before they appeared Spectre (nice when that happens!) and they've lasted OK but are starting to get tatty around the edge of the crepe. A delicate trim with scissors can help keep them tidy.

The Herring shoes look to be a similar sole but I have recently ordered these: https://www.thegothicshoecompany.com/collections/chukka-boots-and-shoes/products/chukka-playboy-boots-in-brown-suede - under half the price at £79.99 and a different look to the sole but from underneath only. More the Steve McQueen brown than the Spectre brown but I'm curious to see if more robust. I'll update once received.

The Bond Vivant

I've worn mine, in Snuff, many times, and they haven't worn at all.

Chriscoop

Maybe it's bigger guys having the wear issues?

The Bond Experience

Blair and I are essentially the same size........but we have had very different experiences

Chriscoop wrote:

Maybe it's bigger guys having the wear issues?

Westward_Drift

CDP wrote:

I had the Sanders from before they appeared Spectre (nice when that happens!) and they've lasted OK but are starting to get tatty around the edge of the crepe. A delicate trim with scissors can help keep them tidy.

The Herring shoes look to be a similar sole but I have recently ordered these: https://www.thegothicshoecompany.com/collections/chukka-boots-and-shoes/products/chukka-playboy-boots-in-brown-suede - under half the price at £79.99 and a different look to the sole but from underneath only. More the Steve McQueen brown than the Spectre brown but I'm curious to see if more robust. I'll update once received.

I look forward to your review about these boots fit and durability.

Chriscoop

Westward_Drift wrote:

CDP wrote:

I had the Sanders from before they appeared Spectre (nice when that happens!) and they've lasted OK but are starting to get tatty around the edge of the crepe. A delicate trim with scissors can help keep them tidy.

The Herring shoes look to be a similar sole but I have recently ordered these: https://www.thegothicshoecompany.com/collections/chukka-boots-and-shoes/products/chukka-playboy-boots-in-brown-suede - under half the price at £79.99 and a different look to the sole but from underneath only. More the Steve McQueen brown than the Spectre brown but I'm curious to see if more robust. I'll update once received.

I look forward to your review about these boots fit and durability.

These are very similar to the delicious junction boots I bought after the sanders, mine have worn pretty well just a bit of minimal wear on the heel which is normal for me
They've been worn in rain, sun you name it, they are pretty good at this price point imo

Westward_Drift

Delicious Junction are way too small and narrow for me. Gothic makes them to order, so I will have to ask them about fitting a wide foot with high instep.

Cajun

CDP wrote:

The Herring shoes look to be a similar sole but I have recently ordered these: https://www.thegothicshoecompany.com/collections/chukka-boots-and-shoes/products/chukka-playboy-boots-in-brown-suede - under half the price at £79.99 and a different look to the sole but from underneath only. More the Steve McQueen brown than the Spectre brown but I'm curious to see if more robust. I'll update once received.

+1 for Gothic Shoe Co. Made to order and good quality-to-price ratio. They sell on Etsy as well.

DB6

The wear on mine was at the heel - the foxing (the crepe that runs around the edge/Welt) basically rubbed up and so peeled away. I had driven in them but was very surprised at the damage a couple of hours driving did. I really liked them, just disappointed in my experience of them.

For the record I'm not one of the 'bigger guys' (insert joke/innuendo here)

Matt B

Dufus wrote:

The wear on mine was at the heel - the foxing (the crepe that runs around the edge/Welt) basically rubbed up and so peeled away. I had driven in them but was very surprised at the damage a couple of hours driving did. I really liked them, just disappointed in my experience of them.

For the record I'm not one of the 'bigger guys' (insert joke/innuendo here)

A slightly different point of view here;
I have several pairs and walk several miles in NYC daily in them. Inwear them when most other people
Wear sneakers as they offer the most comfort of all non-sneakers I’ve ever owned. I have worn them in two severe rainstorms ( and lots of “mild rain”) where they were completely soaked and let them air-dry out. I think the slipperyness that some complain about is overrated, I’ve never slipped in them or felt like Inwas at risk of slipping.I highly recommend them as the Sanders along with the sunspel polo’s are pretty much the only thing from my collection that I think I actually wear. The boots do feel like they wear down quickly at first, but that initial “shock wear” seems to level off quickly and since the sole is so thick and the price is so relatively low I recommend buying a pair and wearing it hard for a year or so and then just replace them if needed.. By far the most comfortable boots I’ve ever had and they do not look dirty - I have never cleaned, sprayed or done anything to mine.
My two cents for what it’s worth.
BTW I just looked at my boots and my soles have tons of wear left in them.
I also have several Pairs of church’s Ryder III with crepe sole and they are nowhere as comfortable and feel a bit too fancy to wear as they are so expensive- $700 Inthink I paid for the Church’s.

welshboy78

Anybody tried the Playboy Chukkas which claim to be based on McQueens Playboy Chukkas manufacturer Hutton? Believe they bought some kind of rights from whoever took over from Hutton

They claim to manufacture them like the originals and the foxing is not simply glued like the Sanders

http://www.playboy-footwear.com/collection.php?type=men


Brief write up on the history

http://www.playboy-footwear.com/original.php


Today, The Original Playboy shoes are still manufactured using the same materials such as the 100% natural rubber for the crepe sole, high quality suede and full calf leather lining for the upper. Even the classic gold stamp and the leather insole are authentic. The Original Playboy shoes are also still based on the Goodyear Welting technique. A technique that is incredibly complicated when handling a sole consisting of several layers of leather, canvas, cork and crepe, all sewn together and attached to the suede upper by hand. There are probably well over 200 manual processes in manufacturing an Original Playboy shoe, all of which require a high level of classic shoemaking skills - in contrast to lookalike models that are simply glued together or cemented as it’s called.

The Bond Experience

Gents, the ones used in the movie were Snuff, not chocolate....just would hate for someone to want SA and come away with the wrong ones...

DB6

welshboy78 wrote:

Anybody tried the Playboy Chukkas which claim to be based on McQueens Playboy Chukkas manufacturer Hutton? Believe they bought some kind of rights from whoever took over from Hutton

They claim to manufacture them like the originals and the foxing is not simply glued like the Sanders

http://www.playboy-footwear.com/collection.php?type=men


Brief write up on the history

http://www.playboy-footwear.com/original.php


Today, The Original Playboy shoes are still manufactured using the same materials such as the 100% natural rubber for the crepe sole, high quality suede and full calf leather lining for the upper. Even the classic gold stamp and the leather insole are authentic. The Original Playboy shoes are also still based on the Goodyear Welting technique. A technique that is incredibly complicated when handling a sole consisting of several layers of leather, canvas, cork and crepe, all sewn together and attached to the suede upper by hand. There are probably well over 200 manual processes in manufacturing an Original Playboy shoe, all of which require a high level of classic shoemaking skills - in contrast to lookalike models that are simply glued together or cemented as it’s called.

Interesting - can't see how much they are or how to buy them though.

welshboy78

Reading between the lines I think whatever rights they purchased restricts them from selling outside Scandinavia possibly. However they seem to have authorised dealers who ship anywhere. E.g


https://www.lesterstore.com/our-brands/playboy