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  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,607MI6 Agent
    Naomi Harris talked about a 'massive, massive surprise' in NTTD and I think we now know that is Mathilde.
    https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/960609/#p960609

    Harris:
    “I would say that he’s reconnected with his heart. We’re definitely seeing a Bond who’s more in touch with his feelings...”
    “At the end of Spectre there are women he gives his career up for.”

    I guess by reconnecting with his heart she is referring to the love for his own child.
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    edited June 2020
    This film really is hard to work out.

    Previous Bond movies had been well sussed out before the release.

    The 'massive surprise' cannot be just that Safin has created a random clone child.

    The child must have a significant connection to Bond and/or Madeleine.

    Or, there could be a clone of Madeleine, Bond, Blofeld or Nomi etc.

    Perhaps Q or Moneypenny are working for Spectre and Bond's suspicions of Nomi were wrong.

    Or, it will be something more about Bond's connection to Blofeld.

    Perhaps Mathilde's real father turns out to be Blofeld or Safin.

    Or the big surprise could be of course that Bond dies, or is death his left ambiguous.

    Madeleine could get killed during a wedding.

    Bond could marry Moneypenny at the end.

    Blofeld may join Bond in combat to take out Safin.

    There may be an announcement that this is the end of the series.

    I actually believe there could be 2 adult Madeleine's during the course of the movie. It would explain the confused look on Bond's face when he bumps into Madeleine and Nomi and Madeleine saying she's been framed. How was Bond so sure she had betrayed her? Why are there 3 actresses for Madeleine on the call sheets including a stand-in and a double for the same shoots.

    Could Safin be controlling Madeleine via smart blood?

    There must be something BIG that you're missing out.
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  • ichaiceichaice LondonPosts: 604MI6 Agent
    I wonder what made them think Blofeld or Madeline were worth bringing back for a second film. I do have plenty of worries about this one for sure.
    Yes. Considerably!
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    ichaice wrote:
    I wonder what made them think Blofeld or Madeline were worth bringing back for a second film. I do have plenty of worries about this one for sure.

    Spectre was pretty solid for me, not in my Top 10 for sure but a good movie. I think NTTD will build on it massively and I expect it to be in my Top 10.
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    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • darksidedisasterdarksidedisaster Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    Looks like Daily Mail had a little chat to an "insider" last night and we've got some confirmation on....

    - Dr Swann is a 00 agent
    - The PTS is a flashback of Safin chasing a young Madeliene across the frozen lake
    - Mathilda is Bond's daughter
    - 'Bond finding out he is a father...' so I'm guessing not a natural pregnancy situation then, unless they mean finding out Madeliene is preganant
    - Fighting against biological pandemic similar to covid


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8395267/amp/We-werent-expecting-Mr-Bond-007-five-year-old-daughter-new-film-No-Time-Die.html
  • Westward_DriftWestward_Drift Posts: 3,113MI6 Agent
    Looks like Daily Mail had a little chat to an "insider" last night and we've got some confirmation on....

    - Dr Swann is a 00 agent
    - The PTS is a flashback of Safin chasing a young Madeliene across the frozen lake
    - Mathilda is Bond's daughter
    - 'Bond finding out he is a father...' so I'm guessing not a natural pregnancy situation then, unless they mean finding out Madeliene is preganant
    - Fighting against biological pandemic similar to covid


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8395267/amp/We-werent-expecting-Mr-Bond-007-five-year-old-daughter-new-film-No-Time-Die.html

    Can't see Swann as a 00. Flies in the face of her character in Spectre. She could just be MI6.
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    edited June 2020
    Why in some clips do we see a girl under the ice (with Safin holding a gun with the damaged mask) but in some we see Bond battling under the ice.

    It's impressive 'Someone' that you referenced a lot of Spectre script plot leaks. Barbara Broccoli has confirmed the diamond mine on the island as Safin's lair I believe.

    However that's quite funny that you think you understand 100% of the plot.

    I am convinced 'Swann as a child' will be a brief flashback and not the entire PTS.

    I think Q could be kidnapped. In the trailer we see Safin behind frosted glass the same as Q's house and that can't be ignored and, interesting that the idea was in the leaked Spectre script.

    However the kidnapped scientist is David Dencik's character and we have seen pics of Nomi rescuing him in Cuba.

    I think Madeleine's secret is that she has a clone. Safin cloned her after rescuing her. One of her is working for Spectre and helps Blofelds jailbreak. One was recruited for MI6.

    What happens with Blofeld in this film is a real mystery. I have the feeling it can't just be a prison visit.
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,607MI6 Agent
    Why in some clips do we see a girl under the ice (with Safin holding a gun with the damaged mask) but in some we see Bond battling under the ice.

    Bond battling under the ice? Link pls.
    I think Q could be kidnapped. In the trailer we see Safin behind frosted glass the same as Q's house and that can't be ignored and, interesting that the idea was in the leaked Spectre script.

    As we see Q in the plane that the glider is ejected from I don't think it is Q's frosted glass, I think that is the Norwegian villa. Bond and Safin's glider/submarine egress into the lair is the start of the third act.
    However the kidnapped scientist is David Dencik's character and we have seen pics of Nomi rescuing him in Cuba.
    He's called Obruvchek.
    Blofelds jailbreak. One was recruited for MI6. What happens with Blofeld in this film is a real mystery. I have the feeling it can't just be a prison visit.

    Blofeld is supposed to be still running Spectre from prison. I don't think there will be a prison break.
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    Safin fires bullets into the ice and in this TV Spot (19 seconds in), it's clearly a grown man under the ice, probably Bond.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BgcG_l9J0A

    So I will have to stick with my theory that this scene precedes the Land Rover chase where Mathilde, Bond's daughter, is eventually kidnapped and taken away to Safin's island in a helicopter along with Madeleine.

    The call sheets reveal that Mathilde is in the Land Rover with Bond and he looks for a hiding place.
    And actually we can see this in the main trailer (1 min, 44 seconds in)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIhNsAtPbPI

    The girl sat in the back seat is a young girl, not Madeleine.
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    We can see in this footage that the young girl and Safin are looking into the ice for presumably Bond and then Safin fires bullets at Bond. The young girl looks upset.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avmL_AQLZDQ

    Some interesting info on this website if you scroll down to the locations. My first visit to this website.
    https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/ultimate-guide-no-time-die-bond-25-products-and-locations
    I didn't previously know that NTTD filmed at the grand Ardverikie House and its estate in Scotland (which will double for Norway presumably)

    Also I didn't know about the filming that took place at The Faroe Islands which is a first for Bond movies.
    Some stunning island scenery. The production have kept this quiet. I think this may double for Safin's lair location and not Norway.
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • Revs1972Revs1972 Posts: 78MI6 Agent
    After watching Casino Royale last night on TV , I’m wondering how Bond would have the “minerals” to father a child after the torture scene with Le Chieffe. Unless of course someone took a sample from him whilst in hospital ?:)
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,607MI6 Agent
    Safin fires bullets into the ice and in this TV Spot (19 seconds in), it's clearly a grown man under the ice, probably Bond.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BgcG_l9J0A

    No, it's the girl. To the right you can see the hole she fell through. And the other video you linked to shows there is only her and Safin on the ice lake.
  • darksidedisasterdarksidedisaster Posts: 3MI6 Agent
    Appears Dr Swann and Bond aren't together in the movie. Begins with their relationship still fresh in matera then time jump 5 years to Bond in Jamaica no longer with Madeliene

    It also still says Mathilda is a clone of Madeliene so I'm failing to understand all these articles about Bond discovering he is a father when the child is a clone and he's not even with Madeliene

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/no-time-to-die-call-sheet-leak-new-character?id=04707
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    edited June 2020
    Someone wrote:
    No, it's the girl.

    Definitely a grown man. Who are Mathilde and Safin looking at under the ice? Just because Craig/Craig's double wasn't filming in Norway in winter, doesn't mean they can't tie it in with filming at Pinewood and some added CGI.

    This is a live scene with Safin, Mathilde, Madeleine and Bond. It's just a myth that NTTD will have a flashback to Swann's youth. I believe there will be no such scene in the movie.

    I think that Safin will unveil himself either to be a reincarnation of Dr.No or a cloned Blofeld, the real Blofeld who changed his face.
    And there will be another adult Madeleine who was cloned at birth as part of a Spectre plan.

    In Spectre, when Madeleine walks into the train carriage in a dress, I believe that from then on it was a different Madeleine. They were switched by Hinx.

    I believe that Bond finds out Nomi is a Spectre agent but they continue to work together under the direction of Blofeld to stop Safin's plans.

    I also believe there will be a wedding at the end which Blofeld will attack (unsuccessfully) after escaping from prison, although he manages to kill Q.

    M will kill Nomi near the end of the film. He likes to get his pistol out as we saw in Spectre.

    Bond, the real Madeleine and their daughter Mathilde, happy together, will be the ending scene.
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • JTMJTM Posts: 3,027MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    No, it's the girl.

    Definitely a grown man. Who are Mathilde and Safin looking at under the ice? Just because Craig/Craig's double wasn't filming in Norway in winter, doesn't mean they can't tie it in with filming at Pinewood and some added CGI.

    Sorry Christmas, I don't like saying definitely, but Someone is definitely right—it's the girl under the ice. Maybe the stunt double is a little larger than the child, but the girl in the colourful puffer jacket is the one that falls through the ice, and is the one that Safin (probably) is shooting at or around.

    Evidence:

    Well first off, the girl is clearly the only one that is being chased onto the ice and being shot at by "The Phantom of the Opera". Are you saying that the girl gets away from the masked man and someone else, a grown man, appears, falls through the ice and gets shot at by our masked man?

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    Looking at a screengrab from the game day spot/trailer, in my mind, you can clearly see the person under the ice wearing a puffer jacket, tight long pants and big boots like the running girl is wearing.

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    And finally, take a look at this gif I made from a BTS video from Norway filming. I'm not sure if it's because of thin ice or because of the masked man shooting around her (and bullet effects haven't been added yet), but the girl is clearly seeing/hearing the ice cracking/breaking and then at the end of the clip she "falls through it" (pre effects and cut to under the ice in a studio tank).

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  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    Ok perhaps you're right. It looked like the girl was looking for someone but probably the ice breaking around her. I guess the boots are a giveaway that it's her under the ice.

    Still, this may be Mathilde and there is no evidence that it's a flashback to Madeleine's youth.
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    I think it's becoming certain there is a clone of Madeleine. Is she Mathilde or another adult Madeleine?
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • JB1106340JB1106340 Posts: 468MI6 Agent
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jun/08/no-time-to-die-daniel-craig-bond-is-on-the-school-run

    Quite a humorous article in The Guardian today. Disappointing though that the contents of the call sheet are being so widely circulated. I feel everything about the film will be known by November.
  • nobodynobody Posts: 110MI6 Agent
    This actress is much older than 5 years old. 9 or 10 I'd say...
  • phantomvicesphantomvices Posts: 33MI6 Agent
    edited June 2020
    I think it's becoming certain there is a clone of Madeleine. Is she Mathilde or another adult Madeleine?

    I don't think she is Mathilde, she looks much older and she is played by a different actress. I definitely side with the clone theory, especially given the shot inside the cabin with a woman who resembles Madeleine lying on the couch. Personally, I think that woman lying on the couch is not the Madeleine we see in Spectre and who Bond falls for; rather, she is the original Madeleine, and SP Madeleine is the girl running across the ice.mask_2.png

    Also, in regards to the 'betrayal' - I think this could be the work of another Madeleine clone, working for Safin. Hence when Bond sees fake Madeleine doing something that the real Madeleine would never do, he believes that she has turned. This may be the thing referenced in the title song - remember, Billie has seen the film, and was given considerable amounts of script to work with in building the song. If this is true, it is likely that Safin has 2 or more Madeleine clones from the original as seen in the log cabin.

    And in regards to Madeleine appearing to interview Blofeld, do keep in mind that Madeleine is a trained psychiatrist in the field of espionage. I don't know why MI6 would make do such a colossal conflict of interest if they did choose her and Bond to grill Blofeld, however it may simply be Madeleine trying to uncover the truth herself.

    And while I'm dropping theories, I also wonder about the toxic smoke/powder as seen in the SPECTRE ball. We can see that it seems to either kill or knock out the SPECTRE agenst present, but does nothing to Bond.
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    Could this be the 'genetic warfare' speculated upon? A drug that targets certain individuals based on who they are, or rather, NOT targeting - Safin demonstrating his power to Bond by wiping out the SPECTRE agents present, and likely threatening a global attack, of which Bond must stop.

    It'd be interesting to see what everyone else thinks.
  • BlindManBaldwinBlindManBaldwin Posts: 105MI6 Agent
    Goodness I love all this speculation. So excited for the film to come out — whenever it does.
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    Could this be the 'genetic warfare' speculated upon? A drug that targets certain individuals based on who they are, or rather, NOT targeting - Safin demonstrating his power to Bond by wiping out the SPECTRE agents present, and likely threatening a global attack, of which Bond must stop.

    I don't think there's evidence of gas? It might have been something in their drinks? But it may well be Safin behind this attack on Spectre and I think Bond will indeed work with Blofeld to overcome Safin. There must be something that Safin wants. Just a thought but could this be the scene in which the scientist is kidnapped? And double agent Nomi helps Ash to hand him over to Safin?

    I think the Madeline clone theory is now gathering momentum.
    It struck me as odd on the call sheets why there was a double and a stand-in for her on the same shoots.

    Safin must be an ex-Spectre operative who was into cloning in the past, went rogue and now has plans for global domination for which he needed to kidnapp a top scientist from the hands of Spectre. And whilst it did seem far-fatched, I think there will be truth in him revealing himself to be Dr.No. as someone pointed out, if Blofeld can come back so many times, why not Dr.No? From the books, Dr.No is one of the best books & villains.
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • phantomvicesphantomvices Posts: 33MI6 Agent
    I don't think there's evidence of gas? It might have been something in their drinks? But it may well be Safin behind this attack on Spectre and I think Bond will indeed work with Blofeld to overcome Safin. There must be something that Safin wants. Just a thought but could this be the scene in which the scientist is kidnapped? And double agent Nomi helps Ash to hand him over to Safin?

    There is some sort of smoke/mist in the SPECTRE ball scene. The SPECTRE agents are shown to embrace it before they die/faint, and Bond tries to catch it on his hands.
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  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,607MI6 Agent
    Appears Dr Swann and Bond aren't together in the movie. Begins with their relationship still fresh in matera then time jump 5 years to Bond in Jamaica no longer with Madeliene

    It also still says Mathilda is a clone of Madeliene so I'm failing to understand all these articles about Bond discovering he is a father when the child is a clone and he's not even with Madeliene

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/no-time-to-die-call-sheet-leak-new-character?id=04707

    In one of the TV spots Safin says: "This was your choice." I think he's saying that to Madeleine. I think that choice could be her involvement in the cloning program.
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    edited June 2020
    Wow. How can it be explained that Bond is unnaffected by the smoke? I don't understand how the smoke could only affect some people and not others. Perhaps you need the smart blood to survive? It could be quite crucial to the plot. Or perhaps he does faint but somehow survives with support from MI6, that's why he's late to meet Paloma.
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BgcG_l9J0A

    At 00.21 and 00.28 what is Bond surprised/shocked by? Any ideas? My theories:

    00.21: Bond learns that Madeleine's clone has 'betrayed' him after a phone call from M

    00.28: Safin reveals his metal claw hand and destroys something
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • Christmas TounesChristmas Tounes GloucestershirePosts: 164MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:

    In one of the TV spots Safin says: "This was your choice." I think he's saying that to Madeleine. I think that choice could be her involvement in the cloning program.

    Or, Bond's choice to go to the lair and meet his death.
    1. Goldeneye 2. OHMSS 3. Goldfinger 4. TND 5. Octopussy 6. FYEO
    7. LALD 8. TWINE 9. Skyfall 10. AVTAK 11. CR 12. TLD 13. YOLT
    14. TMWTGG 15. Moonraker 16. TSWLM 17. Thunderball 18. FRWL
    19. Dr. No 20. DAF 21. LTK 22. DAD 23. QoS 24. Spectre 25. NTTD
  • NoiNoi Posts: 718MI6 Agent
    edited June 2020
    new still, it was released with the information that the release date is moved up to November 20 (USA)
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  • MrSwindermanMrSwinderman Dover, Ohio, USAPosts: 212MI6 Agent
    I have to say if the rumors of 007's demise are true for the ending, I will be very disappointed.

    In today's world, we all live in very divisive and unsure times. We never know what is going to happen from one moment to the next. Will another pandemic happen? Will more cities burn in the USA? While the latter of those two have been brewing for awhile for better or worse, we are all on edge and need (in my humble opinion) uplifting content that allows us to escape our currently reality.

    I have always looked at James Bond as a sort of template as many do. Away from some of his less than wholesome characteristics, Bond is a generally uplifting view of success for men everywhere. 007 always makes it through things no matter what he has to go through. Some how, some way by pure will and determination (and sometimes luck) James Bond always returns.

    I think we all need a reminder of that. No matter how bad things get or how low we get, we will overcome whatever we are dealing with.

    This also puts the future of the franchise in question. I would hope that EON are not tired of making these films and realize what an amazing set of films they have the rights to.

    Again, this could all be for not because 007 could survive and we can end NTTD on a positive uplifting note. Surely now is no time to die Mr. Bond. I certainly hope we will see "James Bond will Return" at the end of the credits. -{
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