FYEO Bogner Jacket Profiles in History. Be careful.
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I am on sabbatical on AJB, but will have a short break from the break to post here.
https://profilesinhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/96HollywoodS.pdf
Being german, I have asked for further pics, particularly from the mentioned label and this is what I have gotten:
The Hayward London label is a big red flag in my opinion:
FYEO's snow scenes in Italy have been shot in February 1981
Willy Bogner is the owner of the Bogner factory and has directed and shot most of the ski stunt scenes back then in Cortina.
He was also quite good with Roger Moore and would have certainly made sure to get accurate measurements from him before he has shipped out clothing for a James Bond production.
Hayward was a tailor in London under the address 95 Mount Street in London and it could have been that he altered clothing for Roger Moore prior to shooting.
Roger Moore is seen wearing a jacket of this kind during the movie and we can take it for granted that multiple of these jackets have been purchased for the production - just in case that the jackets would bet damaged or dirty.
EON has one of these jackets in their archives, I saw it at one point of time in an exhibition (I think that it was Bond in Motion).
13. July 1982 therefore raises a huge red flag.
I have contacted PiH with my concerns and this is what I have gotten:
<<This jacket comes from the collection of a 20+ year consignor of ours who acquired the jacket years ago from a collector in the United Kingdom. It is common practice for off-the-rack sportswear to be sent to the tailor for alterations for production. Roger Moore's tailor was Doug Hayward of London, who clothed the likes of Michael Caine, Sir John Gielgud, Mick Jagger, Rex Harrison and Terrence Stamp, to name but a few. The label is adhered to the inner lining of the jacket with an adhesive. The date on the label must be a typo. If someone were to try to fraudulently attempt to create such a wardrobe piece, they would certainly make certain of the proper date to avoid red flags.
If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to Joe Moe or me.
Thanks for your time and consideration.
Warmest regards,
Brian Chanes
Profiles in History >>
To be honest, I am shocked about the reply and the shown "It's a typo, let's move on" attitude and the business ethics that is behind this!
First of all, Hayward was a tailor, why on earth would he glue his label inside instead of stitching it in!
Secondly, I am guilty of sometimes mistyping the year. But if that happens, I am one year EARLIER (2017 vs. 2018) and not in the future (2018 vs. 2019).
In my opinion, that sloppy reply doesn't make sense at all and I strongly question the business ethics that is displayed by PiH here.
Whatever is behind the wrong date on the label, it certainly affects the collector's value of the jacket and not in a positive way.
What is the esteemed opinion of the experts on this board?
https://profilesinhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/96HollywoodS.pdf
Being german, I have asked for further pics, particularly from the mentioned label and this is what I have gotten:
The Hayward London label is a big red flag in my opinion:
FYEO's snow scenes in Italy have been shot in February 1981
Willy Bogner is the owner of the Bogner factory and has directed and shot most of the ski stunt scenes back then in Cortina.
He was also quite good with Roger Moore and would have certainly made sure to get accurate measurements from him before he has shipped out clothing for a James Bond production.
Hayward was a tailor in London under the address 95 Mount Street in London and it could have been that he altered clothing for Roger Moore prior to shooting.
Roger Moore is seen wearing a jacket of this kind during the movie and we can take it for granted that multiple of these jackets have been purchased for the production - just in case that the jackets would bet damaged or dirty.
EON has one of these jackets in their archives, I saw it at one point of time in an exhibition (I think that it was Bond in Motion).
13. July 1982 therefore raises a huge red flag.
I have contacted PiH with my concerns and this is what I have gotten:
<<This jacket comes from the collection of a 20+ year consignor of ours who acquired the jacket years ago from a collector in the United Kingdom. It is common practice for off-the-rack sportswear to be sent to the tailor for alterations for production. Roger Moore's tailor was Doug Hayward of London, who clothed the likes of Michael Caine, Sir John Gielgud, Mick Jagger, Rex Harrison and Terrence Stamp, to name but a few. The label is adhered to the inner lining of the jacket with an adhesive. The date on the label must be a typo. If someone were to try to fraudulently attempt to create such a wardrobe piece, they would certainly make certain of the proper date to avoid red flags.
If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to Joe Moe or me.
Thanks for your time and consideration.
Warmest regards,
Brian Chanes
Profiles in History >>
To be honest, I am shocked about the reply and the shown "It's a typo, let's move on" attitude and the business ethics that is behind this!
First of all, Hayward was a tailor, why on earth would he glue his label inside instead of stitching it in!
Secondly, I am guilty of sometimes mistyping the year. But if that happens, I am one year EARLIER (2017 vs. 2018) and not in the future (2018 vs. 2019).
In my opinion, that sloppy reply doesn't make sense at all and I strongly question the business ethics that is displayed by PiH here.
Whatever is behind the wrong date on the label, it certainly affects the collector's value of the jacket and not in a positive way.
What is the esteemed opinion of the experts on this board?
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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My very first time skiing I wore a jacket and salopettes inspired by RMs capri outfit.
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I’ve been looking into this item as well. And it raises all kinds of red flags.
Please ignore the crappy quality of these pics but whilst Elements I saw EON's coat...it is still on display. I post this pic to hopefully inspire someone who has been to take better shots, and close up. Also, I don't remember the Bogner logo on the left shoulder like that but I was under a time constraint. Unfortunately these were the ONLY pictures that came out blurry.
@ Mantis: The blue jacket on your Elements pics belongs to Pat Panta, one of Roger Moore's stunt doubles.
Does anyone have a piece of Roger Moore wardrobe that contains or not that kind of tailor label and please post pics.
Thank you!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
http://www.icollector.com/OCTOPUSSY-007-JAMES-BOND-SCREEN-WORN-SHIRT-WITH-LABELS_i23870411
The label on the ski jacket is identical to label on the clown shirt (down to the date), which tells me that that someone replicated the clown shirt label and stuck it on the ski jacket. If Hayward altered the ski jacket, I doubt he would have put his own label on it. And I wouldn't expect Hayward to have altered the ski jacket for the film since it's a bespoke tailoring shop, not an alterations specialist or a regular costumer.
Good news / bad new, Matt:
I'm the one who won the OP shirt and it is absolutely 100% fake.
So if that's the case ...
BTW, Hayward did make pieces for Moore personally as well as for his last three Bonds (so FYEO and OP) but worked strictly on suits and did not make shirts or tailor other items.
Sorry to hear you won a fake. So whoever did this fake label must have done the same one for this jacket. Thank you for confirming that Hayward did not make the shirt. I was surprised when I first saw that for auction.
I understand the Hayward firm made clothes for Roger Moore until about 2012, even after Doug died.
Enjoy your sabbatical
Thanks all for the interesting information!
The print alignment is 100% identical. Very obviously a fake.
"This is fantastically helpful! Based on this, I am withdrawing the jacket from my sale. There is no rational explanation other than the fact that this is a fraudulent piece.
Many thanks for bringing this information to our attention, as it would be terrible to have this piece sell on the open market as genuine film wardrobe."
And thank you Higgins for posting the label pic in the first place.
I'm glad to hear this, without any excuses. Quite a different tone from the people selling the PPK.
I saw the ski jacket in PIH and had no interest, for several reasons.
The label was the final straw for me.
I’m so sorry PMJB, I passed on the octopussy shirt, reluctantly, as it would have added to the other clown items I own. It just didn’t add up and I couldn’t get comfortable with it.
I wish we’d discussed it - I would have told you to leave it alone.
But big thanks to Higgins (did I really say that?? - need a drink now) for such a thorough analysis on the ski jacket.
This one has a happy ending, and this is precisely how the collecting community needs to act to self-regulate itself, if it is to maintain any credibility and provenance for important links to Bond history.
Sadly not all auction houses are as professional, and as we know, few news agencies have any care for fact or truth.
#itwasappffs
Ditto ....Wot he said! -{ {[]
Mark Hamill questions Luke Skywalker lightsaber auction
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46443534
Star Wars actor Mark Hamill has questioned the sale of a lightsaber billed as his character's "original" at a Hollywood auction.
Profiles in History's Blockbuster Hollywood Treasures auction will be held in Los Angeles later in December.
Their website lists one of the lots as "The original Mark Hamill 'Luke Skywalker' lightsaber", estimated to sell for up to $200,000 (£157,000).
But on Twitter, Mr Hamill explained it may not be a one-off.
"Be Advised," the actor wrote, "There was no ONE lightsaber I used in the films, but many, MANY, both for myself & my stunt-double." He ended the tweet with the hashtag, #BuyerBeware.
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#mylawyerwillbeintouch 8-)
This is fantastic. Respect to Mr Hamill -{
All we need now is for Sir Sean to hit social media and say "I used a PP at Pinewood in 62 ffs and tell that Dick Hazard that I changed to a PPK with a spur magazine in 63 for From Russia With Love not because my fooking hands were too big ffs!" -{
#bbccompletebsffs!
Save that the fellow who designed/built them has attested it is the genuine article just not necessarily THE genuine article.
I went back over all my correspondence from the period of the OP shirt acquisition as I was sure you were one of the people who thought it was possibly genuine though I now can't locate that. Regardless, there were several people who explained away the label thinking the shirt could be real.
While the Bogner park does absolutely confirm it, it wasn't actually the label which did the shirt in (though other people had more faith in it than I did) but the shirt itself: Ultimately not only did it just not match what Moore wore, there was the knowledge (along of the lines of Bogner alterations) that Hayward didn't make shirts and didn't tailor other makers' work.
Again, I'm not all that perturbed about the shirt as, frankly, it didn't cost all that much and I am, oddly, a bit proud to have a certified example of a fake. If nothing else, it helped to put a nail in the coffin of the parka which stood to be a much bigger fraud.
This same phony label has popped up again on another imposter Octopussy garment, this time at Ewbanks.
https://www.ewbankauctions.co.uk/20220211B-lot-1097-James-Bond-Octopussy-1983-Cream-Safari-jacket-with-interior-Hayward-label-London?arr=0&auction_id=704&box_filter=0&category=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=hayward&list_type=&lots_per_page=0&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=0&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=&view=lot_detail&year=
I've notified them of the fake. Hopefully they will take action.
Also, this suit made for Walter Gotell for The Living Daylights is suspect since he didn't wear it in the film. Could it have been made before the Pushkin character was created to replace Gogol?
https://www.ewbankauctions.co.uk/20220211B-lot-1117-James-Bond-The-Living-Daylights-1987-Original-prop-costume-grey-suit-worn?arr=0&auction_id=704&box_filter=0&category=&department_id=&exclude_keyword=&export_issue=0&high_estimate=0&image_filter=0&keyword=&list_type=&lots_per_page=100&low_estimate=0&month=&page_no=2&paper_filter=0&search_type=&sort_by=&view=lot_detail&year=