FYEO, a Reboot?

Higgins

What do you guys think.

Can FYEO be called a reboot or not?

Barbel

It makes a specific point of bringing Tracy back into continuity, after 5 films with no mention of her.
Q and 007 continue a bickering relationship which is clearly well established.
Moneypenny and Bond continue a flirting relationship which is clearly well established.
Bernard Lee's death caused M to be absent with Tanner standing in, emphasising that life in the secret service continues.

So, I'd say no.

Quentin Quigley

There's that irritating 'R' word again.

No, for all the reasons Barbel stated.

Charmed & Dangerous

I think it’s more a resetting or grounding of Bond after Moonraker, back into Fleming territory. Added to Barbel’s points, as Sir Roger is continuing in the role it’s not like the ‘new actor reboot’ we saw with the introduction of Daniel Craig.

superado

At the risk of irking Higgins, TLD was more of a reboot of the series considering TD's approach was the most dramatically different from course, arguably all the way up to DC's tenure. However, as mentioned because of there is still a preponderance of traditional elements vs. TD's novel interpretation, then even TLD didn't fulfill the criteria of a reboot.

Higgins

Actually, TLD is a total reboot!

We haven't seen Bond so desperate and tearful before

Asp9mm

Someone should reboot you right in the nuts.

danjaq_0ff

Asp9mm wrote:

Someone should reboot you right in the nuts.

) :v

Higgins

danjaq_0ff

Aint you a girl now, nooo dreadful thought :x

Higgins

I am the one in that clip that's wearing the tasteful beard X-(

danjaq_0ff

Higgins wrote:

I am the one in that clip that's wearing the tasteful beard X-(

Not a dress then

Asp9mm

danjaq_0ff

A Hawian dress go go Higgy

DavidJones

Higgins wrote:

Actually, TLD is a total reboot!

We haven't seen Bond so desperate and tearful before

I know this is your thing, but I never saw Dalton tearful anywhere in his two films. You seem to be mis-remembering.

Higgins

Well, this is more Dalton‘s thing

Asp9mm

You missed out his teary eyed balloon bursting picture.

Higgins

I was saving the best for last )

Revelator

FYEO is a definite change of course, but a less radical one than GE or CR, which both have greater claim to reboot status. GE is a definite reboot, since the series re-started after a long hiatus with a much different production team. But the Bond series has frequently changed courses--OHMSS, DAF and TSWLM were all course-changers.

One can also speak of Bond cycles--the first six Bond films are the original cycle, taking Bond from his introduction to his marriage. Then the second cycle (the over-the-top comedic era), stretching from DAF to MR. Next, the third cycle (the more down-to-earth Glen era) from FYEO to LTK, followed by the postmodern Brosnan cycle and the gritty, "it's personal" Craig cycle.

superado

Higgins wrote:

I was saving the best for last )

I always thought you had the horse’s arse scene in mind )

Higgins

Thinking back to that dialogue and the involved masses of water, I don‘t know, if I‘d rather cringe or join the club and burst out in tears

Thunderpussy

I would call it a tweak -{ but I'm like that.

caractacus potts

I think to be a reboot, it would have to throw out everything that came before and start again as if none of that had ever happened. Like what the word means, when your computer slows down because there's too much in memory so you turn it right off and start all over again.
DC Comics did that exactly in a 1980s storyline called Crisis on Infinite Earths, where literally everything that ever happened no longer happened, and Superman had to arrive on earth as infant all over again to get the new stories started.
Craig's Casino Royale does this, it is explicitly the first adventure of a brand new character also called James Bond, and none of the first twenty adventures of the other fella(s) ever happened to him.

None of that applies to FYEO.
Since FYEO mentions Tracy by name, and has a Blofeld like character, and even has the Lotus, it actually references the old films moreso than just about any other up til that point.

It is the biggest change in direction since OHMSS. A change in tone and storytelling. Some of those returning elements (the Lotus exploding) are to signal what is being left behind, others (Tracy and Blofeld) signal what is being reemphasised (Fleming content!).
Unfortunately this was just a temporary deviation, as the next two Moore movies would get very silly once again and include much less Fleming. It's more like the two Dalton films are the continuation from FYEO's new style of Bond film.
I wonder if it was the competition from NSNA that made EON lose their nerve and go back to what had been working for them during Moore's tenure rather than continue with the stripped down more serious spy stories?

DavidJones

Higgins wrote:

Well, this is more Dalton‘s thing

I don't see any tears.

Matt S

DavidJones wrote:

Higgins wrote:

Well, this is more Dalton‘s thing

I don't see any tears.

As much as I like Dalton as Bond, I see teary eyes in the second photo.

Higgins

Thank you, Matt.

I have a friend here on the forum and he's a strong defender of Dalton.
One day, he asked me what that weepy Dalton is all about.

I've told him, just to watch the baloon popping scene and the horse's arse conversation and check Dalton's eyes.

He came back later to me and

) ) )

I haven't watched TLD (for a reason) for many years now, but if I recall correctly, he has weepy eyes when he tells M that the champagne was not the right one.

Higgins

...another fun fact is, when you google "sad Timothy Dalton sad" and check the pics, you come up with that image, which I have posted in another AJB thread just for the fun of it.



So, my work is done ) ) )

VesperMelograno

I am sure Ol' Timmy sends his love.

DavidJones

Higgins wrote:

Thank you, Matt.

I have a friend here on the forum and he's a strong defender of Dalton.
One day, he asked me what that weepy Dalton is all about.

I've told him, just to watch the baloon popping scene and the horse's arse conversation and check Dalton's eyes.

He came back later to me and

) ) )

I haven't watched TLD (for a reason) for many years now, but if I recall correctly, he has weepy eyes when he tells M that the champagne was not the right one.

That champagne thing shows that you're imagining it. Why would be be tearful?

The fact you haven't seen the film in years also proves that you don't know what you're talking about.

Higgins

David Jones, would it be sufficient to have a competent opinion about TLD and Dalton if I truthfully tell you that I have seen the movie at least 10 times when it was out in the cinemas and around 50 times on VHS, DVD and Blu Ray?

And I was living next to the Operahouse that is seen in TLD for some time in Vienna

DavidJones

Higgins wrote:

David Jones, would it be sufficient to have a competent opinion about TLD and Dalton if I truthfully tell you that I have seen the movie at least 10 times when it was out in the cinemas and around 50 times on VHS, DVD and Blu Ray?

And I was living next to the Operahouse that is seen in TLD for some time in Vienna

Well, yeah, that could help:)

I don't mean to be abrupt, I Just mean we can all get hooked up on something. With me, it is Craig's pout. Others don't see it, but I do