What Handgun Will Bond Use in Bond 25? [Potential Spoilers]

Cheverian

Now that he's retired, it doesn't necessarily follow that Bond will be using the Walther PPK anymore.

Photos from the Jamaica shoot show him with a full-sized pistol I haven't seen confirmed.

It might be that he'll just use whatever weapon presents itself, but I thought I'd start this thread to gather some guesses, informed and otherwise.

Miles Messervy

The pistol in Jamaica looked like either a Browning HP or a 1911. Hard to tell from the pictures I’ve seen, but I think it’s one of those two.

PPK 7.65mm

@ Miles Messervy I agree, I had a hard time figuring out what kind of pistol it was myself. I am pretty sure that the Walther PPK will also be making an appearance in the movie as well, even thought we have not seen it yet in any on set photos.

Asp9mm

I’m told PPK action is not going to happen much if at all. Expect Sig P226 mostly.

MFisher

The one from the Jamaica set didn't look to be a 1911 at all. Did have some resemblance to the Hi-Power though.

Tecolote

Definitely a Browning Hi-Power. I wonder if the story has Bond using the speargun on a bad guy and appropriating the Browning from him or it's Bond's from the beginning...

Cheverian

Asp9mm wrote:

I’m told PPK action is not going to happen much if at all. Expect Sig P226 mostly.

Interesting. The P226 featured in QoS, SP and now NTTD. SIG has flown under the radar but it’s establishing itself as a Bond brand.

Miles Messervy

Asp9mm wrote:

I’m told PPK action is not going to happen much if at all. Expect Sig P226 mostly.

I suppose that’s better than a Glock, but if Bond is going full sized I wish they’d have chosen the PPQ instead.

Chriscoop

Tecolote wrote:

Definitely a Browning Hi-Power. I wonder if the story has Bond using the speargun on a bad guy and appropriating the Browning from him or it's Bond's from the beginning...

Im thinking bond has the speargun when he detects someone in his house and that someone ends up being Felix.
The Browning high power was a staple for a lot of British military including special forces like the sas and sbs, it would be quite a good fit for a retired bond in this arc as like many of us from a certain he would have spent a lot of time with one in his military days.

HowardB

Agree with Chriscoop that the Browning High Power would make sense as the weapon Bond has stashed in the house. For concealed carry, Sig makes a bunch of pistols that would make sense for Bond. My knowledge of firearms is barely rudimentary at best, but the P365, P235, P320, P229 and P239 all would appear to be good modern upgrades/replacements for the classic PPK. In fact, the P239, which is an already compact handgun further optimized for concealed carry, has a passing resemblance to the PPK. Ironically, if you go to the Sig website, if you look up the P226, the pistol is shown with a silencer looking very Bondian.

Miles Messervy

HowardB wrote:

Agree with Chriscoop that the Browning High Power would make sense as the weapon Bond has stashed in the house. For concealed carry, Sig makes a bunch of pistols that would make sense for Bond. My knowledge of firearms is barely rudimentary at best, but the P365, P235, P320, P229 and P239 all would appear to be good modern upgrades/replacements for the classic PPK. Ironically, if you go to the Sig website, if you look up the P226, the pistol is shown with a silencer looking very Bondian.

But the P226 is not a compact weapon. It’s a full-sized handgun that would be difficult if not impossible for someone with Craig’s frame to effectively conceal. I don’t think the Sig is meant to be a “replacement” for the PPK. And it’s not a modern update since the 226 is almost 40 years old. I thinks it’s more that Bond tossed the Walther - his service weapon - into the Thames at the end of Spectre and retired. The 226 is used by countless military and police forces around the world, so it would be easy to come by for someone like Bond.

Asp9mm

P228 is the more compact Sig Bond would be familiar with.

Chriscoop

The walther pps or p99 compact would be better concealed carry handguns for Bond as would a myriad of others, but we are assuming he is using the sig in a concealed manner. The change from ppk to the p99 was not a great choice, yes it had the walther heritage with Bond and is a great handgun in most its variants but is such a big piece of kit it's difficult to carry about unnoticed (as we saw with Brozzer a few times)
If anything Bond could return to a Beretta as this was his original choice, something like the px4, which is quite a handsome gun as well.

0073

Miles Messervy wrote:

Asp9mm wrote:

I’m told PPK action is not going to happen much if at all. Expect Sig P226 mostly.

I suppose that’s better than a Glock, but if Bond is going full sized I wish they’d have chosen the PPQ instead.

Well Glock would be going by the current UK forces service pistol route. Also, having shot all 5 (ppk, sig226, glock17 gen4, P99 and PPQ) my hands down personal favourite is the P99 although there are days when that sweet sweet Glock pointability could nab the favours. Having said that; PPK is the only real "agent" pistol of these all, even in real life.

0073

Miles Messervy wrote:

But the P226 is not a compact weapon. It’s a full-sized handgun that would be difficult if not impossible for someone with Craig’s frame to effectively conceal....

Not just Bonds frame, but the cut of his suits wouldn't facilitate even concealing a smartphone, much less a handgun!

Number24

I think Bond's pistol should be small and consealable, for tradition and paractical reasons. Perhaps Sig Sauer p232 or Walther PPS M2 good alternatives?
But in the end the PPK is too iconic to replace completely, and we have to remember the gun is just as deadly now as in 1962. It's possible the best solution is Bond using the PPK for consealed carry and a service pistol sized Walther for combat missions where consealment isn't that important. Maybe P99 or PPQ?

0073

Number24 wrote:

I think Bond's pistol should be small and consealable, for tradition and paractical reasons. Perhaps Sig Sauer p232 or Walther PPS M2 good alternatives?
But in the end the PPK is too iconic to replace completely, and we have to remember the gun is just as deadly now as in 1962. It's possible the best solution is Bond using the PPK for consealed carry and a service pistol sized Walther for combat missions where consealment isn't that important. Maybe P99 or PPQ?

I concur; if it has to be SIG then make it SIGP230/232? It has the looks and provenance suitable for Bond.

Number24

But other than being newer, is the P232 too simular to the PPK to be Worth changing to?

0073

Number24 wrote:

But other than being newer, is the P232 too simular to the PPK to be Worth changing to?

Well Bond has been known to carry P5 in previous outings, but I think that you are quite correct; for the film makers and most of the audience, the fact that PPK and P230 are different guns from completely different manufacturers is probably something that goes completely unnoticed and is therefore not worth the effort.

Number24

Here's a related question: what gun should Nomi (Lashana Lynch) carry?

Quentin Quigley

Three more guns to identify here:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/22/10/17560024-7382735-image-a-42_1566464551463.jpg

Centre one kinda looks like a Beretta ARX160.

0073

Quentin Quigley wrote:

Three more guns to identify here:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/22/10/17560024-7382735-image-a-42_1566464551463.jpg

Centre one kinda looks like a Beretta ARX160.

I'd wager 2*Beretta M12 subgun and H&KG36 short. Although the right hand man could be toting a Beretta PMX or Walther MPK.

Quentin Quigley

0073 wrote:

Quentin Quigley wrote:

Three more guns to identify here:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/22/10/17560024-7382735-image-a-42_1566464551463.jpg

Centre one kinda looks like a Beretta ARX160.

I'd wager 2*Beretta M12 subgun and H&KG36 short. Although the right hand man could be toting a Beretta PMX or Walther MPK.

Good call on the PMX! That's definitely one on the left of the photo, the folding stock frame is the real giveaway. Also looks to be one on the right too. I would rule out the M12 and MPK since the trigger guard is higher than the mag well.

0073

Quentin Quigley wrote:

Good call on the PMX! That's definitely one on the left of the photo, the folding stock frame is the real giveaway. Also looks to be one on the right too. I would rule out the M12 and MPK since the trigger guard is higher than the mag well.

Quite right, I went for the M12 initially because to my eye, the guy on the left seemed to be having a forward pistol grip on his gun, but on the second look, I think there are 2 PMX guys.

Quentin Quigley

Yeah, it was difficult to tell if there was a foregrip there or not. I think we can add the PMX to the list though -{

HowardB

Wow....lots of cool guns, a bunch of cool cars, great locations......looks like we have the makings of a real Bond movie -{

7289

I must admit to being a bit relieved that the old PPK is fading out in this film.

While an adequate "spy" pistol in the 1950's and 60's, it's a bit long in the tooth for a 2019 super spy adventure. Besides, if Bond is going to continue to shoot down helicopters or maybe a jet plane, the SIG 226 is far more believable handgun to use!

Miles Messervy

7289 wrote:

I must admit to being a bit relieved that the old PPK is fading out in this film.

While an adequate "spy" pistol in the 1950's and 60's, it's a bit long in the tooth for a 2109 super spy adventure. Besides, if Bond is going to continue to shoot down helicopters or maybe a jet plane, the SIG 226 is far more believable handgun to use!

I love the PPK. It’s a wonderful little gun. But you’re not wrong. I thought Jeff Deaver got it right with the PPS. Keeps Bond in the Walther family, but updates it to something a bit more practical for a modern agent.

HowardB

The PPS make sense regarding staying in the Walther family and it appears to be a very good compact conceal weapon...but...IMO...it's not nearly as aesthetically pleasing as the old PPK which is very streamlined and graceful looking. IMO, some of the compact Sigs or the Berretta PX4 Compact are much nicer looking...but that's just me.

HG1940

I also think PPS is not as attractive as it is good. very good gun, but too practical, not aesthetic. I do like the slight resemblance the walther CCP has with the PPK.

my favorite is of course the P99, and did like the PP, P38 and P5. but they are all medium to large size. He needs a compact handgun, nothing classier than the PPK or a sig p230 or maybe you guys who know better have other proposals.

Speaking of which, I wonder if any modern polymer firearm has the capability to look convincing as a true James Bond gun, imho, an all metal classic gun is requierd. Only the P99 looks classy enough, again, I am very biased in this last statement.

Quentin Quigley

Looks like I was right about the Beretta ARX160 being the other rifle in that photo one page back. We get a closer look at it in this new pic here:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/28/16/17793842-7403599-image-a-16_1567007946132.jpg

Also, a biker with rifle on his back, looks like a type of M16:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/28/16/17793858-7403599-image-a-14_1567007890251.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/28/17/17793864-7403599-image-a-22_1567008014465.jpg