Just a thought about NTTD

norbac1

hi
I have a conflict with the marketing around the new Bond movie (music, plot, posters). Perhaps I am old school but they are selling the movie like a Romance-Action-Drama. Bond shouldn't be drama or romance, IN MY OPINION, it should be a SPY-ACTION film with, maybe, a little romance. Bond is merciless, international, maybe a little snob, and I don't feel anything like that in the last 2 films...

Either way, I will still support the film and consume all the merchandise available... but I am glad that the Craig era is over.

Just an opinion...

Quentin Quigley

The way I see it is, we've only seen ~5% of the film through photos and footage. There may be a whole lot of spy action we don't know of yet. I do want to see a bit more detective work from DC's Bond though.

Snorpley

Interesting perspective. I feel like it has a lot to do with the reasonably new idea of Bond being in a relationship now to span 2 films. Not sure if we’ve seen this before, and if so, not often. Ditto the return of one of the villains (Blofeld). Personally, there’s some emotional ‘gravity’ to this that I’m looking forward to. I love the higher stakes. To me that’s preferable to starting each film ‘cold’, with new missions and all new villains.

Barbel

Snorpley wrote:

I feel like it has a lot to do with the reasonably new idea of Bond being in a relationship now to span 2 films. Not sure if we’ve seen this before, and if so, not often.

Not in such a prominent way, but the idea goes way back....





The character of Sylvia Trench, pictured above in DN and FRWL.

Snorpley

Well played sir.
The lack of depth in my 007 knowledge deserves to be exposed. Ha. -{

Barbel wrote:

Snorpley wrote:

I feel like it has a lot to do with the reasonably new idea of Bond being in a relationship now to span 2 films. Not sure if we’ve seen this before, and if so, not often.

Not in such a prominent way, but the idea goes way back....





The character of Sylvia Trench, pictured above in DN and FRWL.

Barbel

Not my intention, Snorpley, but you're welcome.

JB1106340

I think Trench is a different type of role. More of a recurring face but she didn’t have a great deal of character. She’s only present when Bond receives the call in FRWL. But I do agree I’d like to see more investigating and genuine spy work being done. Would be a good direction to go with the next incarnation.

Gala Brand

Tradecraft has never played a large role in the Bond films--or novels for that matter, which is odd given Fleming's experience with the spy world.

Barbel

JB1106340 wrote:

I think Trench is a different type of role. More of a recurring face but she didn’t have a great deal of character. She’s only present when Bond receives the call in FRWL.

All correct, JB1106340, but she does meet Snorpley's criterion.

Some extra info-
In Fleming Tiffany Case gets mentioned, though doesn't appear, in the next novel (FRWL) as Bond explains to M how their relationship ended. Mary Goodnight initially appears as 007's secretary a few times before graduating to the female lead in TMWTGG but that's not germane. Vesper and Tracy obviously rate posthumous mentions after their respective stories. Solitaire gets a quick namecheck in DN, as does Honey in TMWTGG.

Miles Messervy

Gala Brand wrote:

Tradecraft has never played a large role in the Bond films--or novels for that matter, which is odd given Fleming's experience with the spy world.

Generally you are correct. It’s explored more in the short stories than the full novels. FAVTAK, Risico, TLD, FYEO, and even Octopussy all feature elements of it.

Miles Messervy

I’ve always thought the concept behind Paris Carver’s character was a good one, although the execution was lacking. I’d love to see them try something like that again after the reboot.

caractacus potts

Snorpley wrote:

The lack of depth in my 007 knowledge deserves to be exposed.

it deserves to be treated by carefully rewatching all 24 films in sequence in the remaining weeks before Bond25 premieres. Dr Potts's orders!

Thunderpussy

Just a thought from me for all the Mind readers out there
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The Domino Effect

The element of NTTD that I am least looking forward to is Bond's relationship with Madeleine. Although I like Lea Seydoux and know that she can act, I found the character very weak in SPECTRE and I'm disappointed that they've chosen to bring her back. I'm hoping that I'm pleasantly surprised, but I don't think Madeleine stands well against Vesper, Severine, or Lucia.

HowardB

Is it just me paying more attention, but is NTTD getting more pre-release buzz than SPECTRE? On second thought, may be it just feels that way because EON, despite the very difficult start of production has done a much better job of limiting negative buzz unlike SPECTRE with the dreaded Sony leaks?

Matt S

HowardB wrote:

Is it just me paying more attention, but is NTTD getting more pre-release buzz than SPECTRE? On second thought, may be it just feels that way because EON, despite the very difficult start of production has done a much better job of limiting negative buzz unlike SPECTRE with the dreaded Sony leaks?

It seems they have more partnerships this time and have done more marketing, but I don’t have any numbers to prove that. That brings more buzz along with it.

HowardB

Matt S wrote:

HowardB wrote:

Is it just me paying more attention, but is NTTD getting more pre-release buzz than SPECTRE? On second thought, may be it just feels that way because EON, despite the very difficult start of production has done a much better job of limiting negative buzz unlike SPECTRE with the dreaded Sony leaks?

It seems they have more partnerships this time and have done more marketing, but I don’t have any numbers to prove that. That brings more buzz along with it.

Whatever one might think of the song, bringing Billie Eilish on board to do the theme song has been a huge promotional shot in the arm. To a lesser extent, Zimmer coming on board to do the score has also appeared to generate positive buzz as he comes pretty much with his own publicity/PR machine and is a much more recognizable "name" to the general public as far as film composers typically are.
Zimmer appears to like to "go on the road" and perform his big scores in concert which also helps promote the film.