Coronavirus
Barbel
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The most important thing happening in the world today is spilling into various threads here, so I thought it appropriate that we have a specific thread to discuss it.
Italy is in lockdown. More cases are being discovered daily in many countries. The World Health Organisation has declared a pandemic. And, of course, as we all know the release of the new Bond movie has been delayed- trivial in context.
Italy is in lockdown. More cases are being discovered daily in many countries. The World Health Organisation has declared a pandemic. And, of course, as we all know the release of the new Bond movie has been delayed- trivial in context.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/entertainment/tom-hanks-rita-wilson-coronavirus/index.html
Its interesting because they're both in Australia right now. It's summer time in Australia and warm. Seems like I remember someone saying that Covid-19 wouldn't survive in a warmer climate.
He obviously doesn‘t know that travel between mainland Europe and the UK is practically unlimited, so leaving out the UK makes no sense if you are seriously concerned about the virus.
I can only speak about Germany, we have a little over 1000 confirmed corona cases with 3 deaths now - our situation is much better than in the US presently - and we have open borders
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
So yeah, this feels real.
To paraphrase FDR, fear (which is different from caution) is our biggest enemy here. People are acting almost exclusively based on what they don't know, because there is so little that we do know. My guess (and that's all it is) is that we will look back and realize in hindsight that some of the protective measures were overkill, but we can't afford to assume that now, not until we know more about this virus and how widely it has spread. I also believe (or maybe just hope) that as testing (someday!) becomes widely available in the US, and more cases are thus identified, the death rate will trend toward that which Higgins has noted in Germany. In math terms, the current denominator is massively understated.
One more thing...I hate Donald Trump with a passion, and his lack of leadership on this issue has been appalling (although, sadly, not surprising). But I have to say, much of the recent coverage by most of the supposed mainstream media has been equally appalling -- it has focused far more on Trump's failings than on reporting what is actually happening with the virus. Calling out Trump is easy, and while it may be factually true, it does nothing to advance the conversation or our knowledge. It's a totally useless waste of time. People need to be educated, not reminded of the buffoon they elected President.
I wonder what factors contribute to different COVID 19 situations between Germany and Italy?
Is at an award for Brext or could it be some real reason?
Also been a huge increase of people
Buying chest freezers!
Probably.
He took a sly dig in his statement; "We had to move quickly," Mr Trump said, adding that the EU did not consult the US when raising taxes on American goods".
One reason is, that in Italy ( just like in the US), there was almost no testing and no reporting for weeks because the leaders downplayed or ignored infections.
So infections rose under „the radar“ and now the Jeannie is out of the bottle.
Here, after the first cases have been reported, they have followed back all contacts, tested them and put them in home quarantene.
In Germany, there is also a sufficient number of tests and lab capacities (so far) and patients don‘t have to pay. If someone is sick, he‘s still getting paid, so sick people stay home more likely when they feel sick and that reduces the risk of further virus infections at workplaces.
So far all measures have been quite well communicated and executed, in the end we will see, if it was really successful.
One word as I see in the US media Mrs. Merkel being quoted with 60% of the Population being infected in the end. This is out of context.
The context is, that experts look at the population in a pandemic and when 60-70% of the population have gotten infected, they are seen as immune because the virus can‘t spread anymore by strong growth. So the worst case scenario is that around 60-70 are getting infected in the end - and that may (hopefully) take years. And the goal of everybody must be to stretch the period of time as long as possible to avoid an explosive growth with all consequences for the medical sector.
We are at the beginning of all this.
Maybe we in Germany have been just lucky.
A full analysis will be done when the virus does not spread, all our ressources should be to stretch the infection period for as long as possible.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Norway just made offficial the most extensive measures against an epidemic at least since 1945 and I suspect many many European countries are doing the same these days. Even though we hate to wait even longer for NTTD I wouldthink mkst of us agree it was the right call by now.
Number of cases is not the best indicator since it is dependent on successful detection. On a proportional basis the US population at 32 Million is 4x more than Germany’s 80 mill, but the US’ confirmed of approx 90 COVID19 cases vs Germany’s 30 is only x3; Sadly, death is a more accurate indicator since proportionally the US has 10x more COVID19 deaths at 30 than Germany’s 3.
Entirely agreed.
You don‘t test, your numbers are low.
It was shocking to hear him refusing to let the passengers of the Diamond Princess back ashore because that would affect the numbers.
Seems that it‘s more important to keep the numbers down than helping US citizens or getting an accurate pic of the situation.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Very interesting. I'm a grocery clerk for a small family owned grocery store (not my family). Nobody has bought the Styrofoam coolers we have. vent wildfires.
Theres a small increase in ice sales, but not anywhere near the sales we had when the power company was shutting off power to prevent wildfires.
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To put things in perspective. On an average weekday when I'm in the check stand for 8 hours, I can bring in around $12,000 on a normal weekday. On Thursday (a normal weekday) I brought in around $17,000 in sales.
The store has seen an increase of around $55,000 a week.
We still don't have any hand sanitizer or sanitizing wipes. I can't even begin to imagine what the nationwide chains are doing sales wise.
The situation seems to be getting worse by the hour..
Contrary in Italy and Spain.
We are far from being over with it and it may all change any given day.
I wish and hope for the best to everyone {[]
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
That should keep many remain voters happy, as several ( like Terry Christian ) called for that
very thing !
There are clearly going to be many deaths mainly in the older community or people with on going
medical problems. So follow the advice on not visiting older members of your family, and keep
washing your hands and face, that's basically all we can do.
You may rethink such a comment!
You are better than this
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/terry-christian-sparks-fury-says-19121705
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1172325/brexit-latest-piers-morgan-terry-christian-remain-tweet-flu-jabs-boris-johnson
Here are a couple of links to Terry's comments.
In our internet age everybody can say anything.
So this guy Terry Christian says something stupid, some people may agree with his stupid comment and you say that because of that many Remain Voters are happy to keep nursing homes decimated.
If you‘d keep it to that single comment - fine but you did not.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I say Black you'll say white. It's very boring, very predictable and very easy to ignore, as
It's simply a take the opposite position to me stance.
You find offence at everything, always needing an apology, always needing some sort
of validation of your opinion over mine.
I know you're a long time member of AJB007 , so in any argument with you I'm going to
lose as I'm just an ordinary member. So Once again in order to keep the peace and not cause
any arguments. I will Once again withdraw My comment, I guess gallows humour doesn't scan
in Germany. I will apologise For any Offence as Feelings beat facts in any discussion.
Please carry on the discussion ..... -{
Shatters my Trust in Hollywood Celebs !