Yes, my analogy is flawed, but the point still is valid:
What about if the EU would have been faster - how would that be seen in the UK?
Admittedly, the EU where too slow in that brutal race for squirreling as much of vaccine no matter about others - but the glee and the „rub in the face“ from some here is hard to take.
Why not criticizing the US?
1. With Trump‘s America First, what else would you expect?
2. The UK are supplied by sites that are located in the EU while ordering their 2 UK sites to supply the UK only. The US are not getting any vaccines that are produced in Europe.
Now about the Ireland thing:
As far as I know, it was a draft and not a final order and it has been immediately stopped by some main European leaders (so much for the supposed „Anti UK Vaccination“ spirit here.
It was a mistake and Europe should Never act as selfishly as the UK and the USA are in terms of their locally produced vaccine!
Just as I have said earlier - now let‘s imagine how BOJO would act, if he was in that position: Lack of vaccine locally and local production goes to everywhere. He would not hesitate to order local factories to supply the UK first! And many here would find it „fair“, „reasonable“ „In the Narional Interest“ and would defend and applaud that decision.
So that outrage in the UK about that horrible EU draft particularly from the UK is a prime example for hypocrisy!
You do seem to specialise in whataboutary 8-)
You cannot counter every criticism with a 'well, what would Boris have done?'
The actions of the EU on Friday were a disgrace and have caused problems in Northern Ireland with tensions rising there. The fact you describe it as 'Now about the Ireland thing' is disgusting and you don't have the foggiest comprehnsion how fragile things are there. You really should watch your anti UK rhetoric.
The Brexiteers gave a sh*t about the fragile situation at the irish border for years now!
And the draft has been sacked exactly because in the end, the EU leaders did not want to weaken the situation there.
The issue still stands: The border in Ireland can be used and abused as a gateway to bring EU goods illegally to the UK. And that was what the draft was about.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
The actions of the EU on Friday were a disgrace and have caused problems in Northern Ireland with tensions rising there. The fact you describe it as 'Now about the Ireland thing' is disgusting and you don't have the foggiest comprehnsion how fragile things are there. You really should watch your anti UK rhetoric.
I have called the EU draft „The Ireland Thing“.
I am well aware of the history of the conflicts at the Irish border and I have been ALWAYS reasoning to consider that when we had fights about Brexit in the Political thread.
You should be careful labeling my words disgusting and my comprehension on the topic foggy.
You are way out of line here!
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
As for the theatre outrage re. the EU Ireland draft:
Not long time ago, Johnson and Gove attempted to install the unlawful Internal Market Bill which contradicted most of the agreements re the open border between NI and Ireland.
And now Gove is first to cry foul when the EU drafts something similar that applies „only“ for vaccines.
That does not make the EU draft any better - it was just wrong and stupid.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
AZ has a contract with the EU that secures 80 million doses for the first quarter of 2021 from their european production sites.
2 Weeks ago, AZ announced, that they will only supply 31 million doses in that time - without giving proper explanations for the cause of it. The AZ UK sites supply the UK with the full contracted numbers.
Unproven word among EU officials has it, that the UK tried/tries to redirect chunks of the EU AZ sites (the suddenly "missing" 49 million doses) to speed up their own programme by using the open border in Ireland.
The EU tries/tried to make this impossible and one (very bad ) idea was to put up checks at the Irish border.
Now before anyone pops up calling this nonsense "because the UK ordered many more doses than actually needed" - the EU is in the same position.
But until April almost nobody is getting enough doses that they really need and that includes the UK AND the EU.
So, it's about speed and not about enough total quantities.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
So, if I've grasped this properly, Gove is a liar or incompetent or both? Please advise.
It does seem to be a State ruse to pass off wilful negligence or corruption as incompetence - and often the operator involved is genuinely incompetent enough for it to be credible.
Social workers do this a heck of a lot, I've found, in the area of adult social care.
At a 'higher' level, the former Cabinet minister Chris Grayling made this a speciality. His 'incompetence' is well recorded, but he was a Cabinet minister for just about longer than any, bar his long-term ally Theresa May, and perhaps Gove. So who's the fool - not him.
See @GraylingLegacy on Twitter for more.
There is a traditional reason for this - allegations of corruption in public life are very serious indeed, (and making such allegations are actionable if unproven) but oddly it's hard to fire someone for incompetence. Incompetence it is then.
Yes, my analogy is flawed, but the point still is valid:
What about if the EU would have been faster - how would that be seen in the UK?
Admittedly, the EU where too slow in that brutal race for squirreling as much of vaccine no matter about others - but the glee and the „rub in the face“ from some here is hard to take.
Why not criticizing the US?
1. With Trump‘s America First, what else would you expect?
2. The UK are supplied by sites that are located in the EU while ordering their 2 UK sites to supply the UK only. The US are not getting any vaccines that are produced in Europe.
Now about the Ireland thing:
As far as I know, it was a draft and not a final order and it has been immediately stopped by some main European leaders (so much for the supposed „Anti UK Vaccination“ spirit here).
It was a mistake and Europe should Never act as selfishly as the UK and the USA are in terms of their locally produced vaccine!
Just as I have said earlier - now let‘s imagine how BOJO would act, if he was in that position: Lack of vaccine locally and local production goes to everywhere. He would not hesitate to order local factories to supply the UK first and only!
And many here would find it „fair“, „reasonable“ „In the National Interest“ and would defend and applaud that decision.
So that outrage about that horrible EU draft particularly from the UK is a prime example for hypocrisy!
What happened here? ?:)
I agreed with you - to some extent...but you still ramble on as though I disagreed with everything you posted
Just to provide an individual's experience, I tested positive a couple of days after the New Year, although my symptoms were mild, I was pretty sure before I even got tested that I would be positive and I was. I didn't have nor do I have now any idea where I was exposed. I was very lucky, no fever, no headache, no loss of taste or smell, just a lot of significant fatigue and a dry cough. I did my time at home, slept a lot, coughed some but really didn't seem much worse than a cold.
I'm sure I gave it to my wife, she was far less lucky, ran a fever for several days, slept non-stop, then lost her taste and smell and her symptoms all lasted longer than mine. We're both fine now, I still have an occasional cough but my lungs are clear (according to the doctor) and feeling back to normal.
We're both in our 60s so I feel like we were very fortunate to have gotten through it so easily.
One of the problems is, that if you have mild symthoms, you‘ll be advised to isolate yourself at home.
The problem is, that some people don‘t realize when the lung infection is getting worse and get treated too late or suddenly are passing out and die because their lungs have been so severely damaged.
So, imo it‘s not a bad idea to have one - just incase and then be able to monitor your blood oxygen level.
They can be had for 8 Euros here on ebay - works very good!
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
My grandmother had 7 sisters which was a hoot at family gatherings and her youngest sister - my auntie Elfriede - caught Covid ( some days after she had received her first vaccination) 10 days ago and sadly died this morning at the age of 102
She was an incredible woman - always positive and with a smile.
RIP
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Thanks go out to everyone who expressed their sympathy! Thanks!
Today, I drove a 85 year old friend to the vaccination center where she has received her first vaccination. She was very nervous and truly releaved and happy and grateful for receiving it.
I could witness how much anxiety she must have felt before the appointment was confirmed and it felt like she won the jackpot after it came thru.
She told me that someone else found it appropriate to yell at the staff ranting about why it was so difficult and why it was so late for him.
Some people.... 8-) 8-)
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Sir MilesThe Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,718Chief of Staff
And another mutation of coronavirus is detected…this time in South Manchester...looks like we will be having yearly jabs for many years to come.
It does happen over here that within days of a care home getting the vaccine, its residents might go down with Covid. No reason why that shouldn't happen I guess as the immunity doesn't immediately kick in. It does make me wonder if those administering the vaccine actually have been tested before going in to the care home.
And another mutation of coronavirus is detected…this time in South Manchester...looks like we will be having yearly jabs for many years to come.
Scientists and some reasonable politicians stress the fact that we are in this together and it won‘t help if one (rich) nation/continent is vaccinated and others run empty because the rich West is grabbing all vaccines for themselfs „First“.
The recent mutations show, that whereever the virus spreads freely - more aggressive mutations raise and grow and one mutation may show up which overruns our vaccination barrier and hit us sooner or later here in the West as well ( just like the South Africa Mutantion - and that won‘t be the last one and not the most aggressive).
So, it‘s in our very own interest, that not only our own people are getting vaccinated - it‘s equally important that our neighbors are getting it and the far neighbors are getting it, too.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Not sure Higgins, is that an in-joke? Of course, SA feel it doesn't deal with its own variant which I understand is true. So there we are, it's not rhetoric. I feel that the EU was being snippy about the Oxford vaccine being administered to over 65 year olds, that may have been rhetoric but it was based on a negative - that there wasn't data to support it, whereas the SA attitude is based on data. Or were you making a sideswipe comparing or equating the two attitudes? Don't mind if you were, just not clear on it.
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You do seem to specialise in whataboutary 8-)
You cannot counter every criticism with a 'well, what would Boris have done?'
The actions of the EU on Friday were a disgrace and have caused problems in Northern Ireland with tensions rising there. The fact you describe it as 'Now about the Ireland thing' is disgusting and you don't have the foggiest comprehnsion how fragile things are there. You really should watch your anti UK rhetoric.
The Brexiteers gave a sh*t about the fragile situation at the irish border for years now!
And the draft has been sacked exactly because in the end, the EU leaders did not want to weaken the situation there.
The issue still stands: The border in Ireland can be used and abused as a gateway to bring EU goods illegally to the UK. And that was what the draft was about.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I have called the EU draft „The Ireland Thing“.
I am well aware of the history of the conflicts at the Irish border and I have been ALWAYS reasoning to consider that when we had fights about Brexit in the Political thread.
You should be careful labeling my words disgusting and my comprehension on the topic foggy.
You are way out of line here!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I think a bit of cooling off is in order here.
Not long time ago, Johnson and Gove attempted to install the unlawful Internal Market Bill which contradicted most of the agreements re the open border between NI and Ireland.
And now Gove is first to cry foul when the EU drafts something similar that applies „only“ for vaccines.
That does not make the EU draft any better - it was just wrong and stupid.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I‘ll try to remain a Happy Bunny and refuse to give a response on this
Gove is on the record for having called the GFA a “capitulation to violence”, a “moral stain” and the “validation of terrorism”.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
AZ has a contract with the EU that secures 80 million doses for the first quarter of 2021 from their european production sites.
2 Weeks ago, AZ announced, that they will only supply 31 million doses in that time - without giving proper explanations for the cause of it. The AZ UK sites supply the UK with the full contracted numbers.
Unproven word among EU officials has it, that the UK tried/tries to redirect chunks of the EU AZ sites (the suddenly "missing" 49 million doses) to speed up their own programme by using the open border in Ireland.
The EU tries/tried to make this impossible and one (very bad ) idea was to put up checks at the Irish border.
Now before anyone pops up calling this nonsense "because the UK ordered many more doses than actually needed" - the EU is in the same position.
But until April almost nobody is getting enough doses that they really need and that includes the UK AND the EU.
So, it's about speed and not about enough total quantities.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
It does seem to be a State ruse to pass off wilful negligence or corruption as incompetence - and often the operator involved is genuinely incompetent enough for it to be credible.
Social workers do this a heck of a lot, I've found, in the area of adult social care.
At a 'higher' level, the former Cabinet minister Chris Grayling made this a speciality. His 'incompetence' is well recorded, but he was a Cabinet minister for just about longer than any, bar his long-term ally Theresa May, and perhaps Gove. So who's the fool - not him.
See @GraylingLegacy on Twitter for more.
There is a traditional reason for this - allegations of corruption in public life are very serious indeed, (and making such allegations are actionable if unproven) but oddly it's hard to fire someone for incompetence. Incompetence it is then.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
Thanks, NP!
What happened here? ?:)
I agreed with you - to some extent...but you still ramble on as though I disagreed with everything you posted
I'm sure I gave it to my wife, she was far less lucky, ran a fever for several days, slept non-stop, then lost her taste and smell and her symptoms all lasted longer than mine. We're both fine now, I still have an occasional cough but my lungs are clear (according to the doctor) and feeling back to normal.
We're both in our 60s so I feel like we were very fortunate to have gotten through it so easily.
KH
Do you have any idea how you’ve caught it?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
One of the problems is, that if you have mild symthoms, you‘ll be advised to isolate yourself at home.
The problem is, that some people don‘t realize when the lung infection is getting worse and get treated too late or suddenly are passing out and die because their lungs have been so severely damaged.
So, imo it‘s not a bad idea to have one - just incase and then be able to monitor your blood oxygen level.
They can be had for 8 Euros here on ebay - works very good!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
It seems Herr Higgins is an early riser...
Roger Moore 1927-2017
She was an incredible woman - always positive and with a smile.
RIP
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Today, I drove a 85 year old friend to the vaccination center where she has received her first vaccination. She was very nervous and truly releaved and happy and grateful for receiving it.
I could witness how much anxiety she must have felt before the appointment was confirmed and it felt like she won the jackpot after it came thru.
She told me that someone else found it appropriate to yell at the staff ranting about why it was so difficult and why it was so late for him.
Some people.... 8-) 8-)
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
It does happen over here that within days of a care home getting the vaccine, its residents might go down with Covid. No reason why that shouldn't happen I guess as the immunity doesn't immediately kick in. It does make me wonder if those administering the vaccine actually have been tested before going in to the care home.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Scientists and some reasonable politicians stress the fact that we are in this together and it won‘t help if one (rich) nation/continent is vaccinated and others run empty because the rich West is grabbing all vaccines for themselfs „First“.
The recent mutations show, that whereever the virus spreads freely - more aggressive mutations raise and grow and one mutation may show up which overruns our vaccination barrier and hit us sooner or later here in the West as well ( just like the South Africa Mutantion - and that won‘t be the last one and not the most aggressive).
So, it‘s in our very own interest, that not only our own people are getting vaccinated - it‘s equally important that our neighbors are getting it and the far neighbors are getting it, too.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Roger Moore 1927-2017