EON website takes you to the above link, confirmed new poster and a new trailer for release Thursday 03/09. Hopefully were on track now.
Saw the Trailer. A fair bit of new (to me at least footage) looks very good. Visuals are stunning. If I can get passed (yet ) another 'this time its personal element and Waltz I could eventually be in for a treat.
Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
After today's Government press conference, as far as the UK goes, I have a bad feeling about this...
What was said? We have tickets to go to London in November but I don't think it is going to happen.
They have banned social gatherings over 6 people (although gyms, cinemas, restaurants and bars are all still operational - don't get me started on the "science" of that.) If you do find yourself in a gathering of more than 6 people you have to form a company, all get married or get someone to take one for the team as work, weddings and funerals are exempt .
We have rolling localised lockdowns in various cities, Birmingham the latest today.
We also have a large spike in cases, clustered on 17-25 year olds but with the anticipation this will lead to older infections which will increase hospitalisations and eventually deaths. There is debate over if this will come to pass in practice (people like to shout "Sweden!" at each other to justify completely opposite views) but assuming it did and we do go into a broader second lockdown the timeframe for that is basically NTTD opening weekend.
I'd probably be fairly bullish on you being allowed to fly...the only question being if there will be a film for you to see..I am in daily check mode to see if/when I can use vouchers from April to rebook screening.
The 007notimetodie.co.uk you're directed to from the vouchers in the NTTD collectors box is currently down.
The 007 store won't let you buy the new poster which says November on it...the 007store not taking your money as soon as possible is, I believe, one of the 4 signs of the apocalypse...
The UK starts much stricter covid measures tomorrow and ministers are openly saying 'Christmas is in danger' - whatever that means.
The November 12 general theatre release in the UK is currently tied to a wooden chair informing Covid it's 'got a little itch'.
The 007notimetodie.co.uk you're directed to from the vouchers in the NTTD collectors box is currently down.
The 007 store won't let you buy the new poster which says November on it...the 007store not taking your money as soon as possible is, I believe, one of the 4 signs of the apocalypse...
The UK starts much stricter covid measures tomorrow and ministers are openly saying 'Christmas is in danger' - whatever that means.
The November 12 general theatre release in the UK is currently tied to a wooden chair informing Covid it's 'got a little itch'.
Come on Mr White, where the hell are you...
Wow that doesn't sound good at all! Thanks for the update as depressing as it is.
The 007notimetodie.co.uk you're directed to from the vouchers in the NTTD collectors box is currently down.
The 007 store won't let you buy the new poster which says November on it...the 007store not taking your money as soon as possible is, I believe, one of the 4 signs of the apocalypse...
The UK starts much stricter covid measures tomorrow and ministers are openly saying 'Christmas is in danger' - whatever that means.
The November 12 general theatre release in the UK is currently tied to a wooden chair informing Covid it's 'got a little itch'.
Come on Mr White, where the hell are you...
Wow that doesn't sound good at all! Thanks for the update as depressing as it is.
Sorry!
On the positive side you can go and watch Tenet today and some, not hordes, are. So if NTTD was coming out this week it would definitely be released.
It wouldn't be a general release as some cities are heading back into strict measures limiting hospitality to takeaway only, but you could definitely see it in London...
Here in the UK, we're now up to around 3,500 new cases a day which is a staggering acceleration. I regretfully feel that by the time November comes we'll be somewhere around the point we reached the week before we locked down last time. Which was also the week before Bond. Wish they had just rolled the dice for a summer release alongside Tenet: they would have trounced it and it would have encouraged people to visit cinemas a couple of times in quick succession.
Here in the UK, we're now up to around 3,500 new cases a day which is a staggering acceleration. I regretfully feel that by the time November comes we'll be somewhere around the point we reached the week before we locked down last time. Which was also the week before Bond. Wish they had just rolled the dice for a summer release alongside Tenet: they would have trounced it and it would have encouraged people to visit cinemas a couple of times in quick succession.
While I want to see NTTD as soon as possible, I would rather them wait. I don't think that big blockbusters will be viable until Spring 2021. I don't want to see EON take the big risk that WB did with Tenet.
The box office numbers for Tenet after THREE weeks in the US alone are not as much as Nolan's previous opening weekends stateside. On top of that, the rest of the world hasn't faired much better either.
For reference: Tenet Box Office (3 weeks in) in USD sorry I am in the States.
$29.5 mil - US
$177.5 mil - Foreign
$207 mil - Worldwide
For reference, Interstellar opened at $47.5 mil in the US and Dunkirk opened at $50 mil in the US.
The "break-even" point for Tenet, which only includes what they reportedly spent not including advertising, is around $450-$500 mil.
WB can take that hit and so can Nolan. Bond cannot. EON needs Bond to make the kind of numbers that Skyfall and Spectre made. On top of that, everybody is quick to say that Bond is an old breed of film that is dying off.
Pandemic or not, NTTD releasing and doing poorly could send it over the edge and we could be looking at an even longer wait for the next film. We may even see EON taking such a loss that they have to sell the rights which I do not want to happen. While I love the Marvel movies for what they are, I don't even want to imagine a Disney 007.
Nevertheless, I will take another delay if it means the film succeeding. I'd rather that then a possibly huge blow to the franchise which could put it in jeopardy.
EON isn't stuck with the bag, though. There's both MGM and Universal involved. I doubt their going concern is in any risk.
Regardless, I don't think it'll be delayed for financial reasons. If theaters are shut down, it'll be delayed again. All the reason to stay vigilant and take this seriously.
Sadly, the same people that were having pre-'rule of six' parties over the weekend will be the same ones moaning about a second lockdown (should it come) and bemoaning they can't do normal things like go to the cinema. Covidiots of the highest order.. X-(
In the column for it being released, Nimax Theatres have announced their six West End theatres will reopen on 22nd October under strict social distancing.
The box office is interesting. Even socially distanced showings aren't sold out plus most chains here are doing discounted seats due for example are doing every film every day at 60% of pre-pandemic prices. And that included Tenet...so there's just no comparison.
Studios must be looking at very early VOD or streaming deals to try and supplement $$$ after limited theatre run, if they are going as planned.
Is is plausible that Warner Brothers rereleases Tenet in theaters some time next year, you know, assuming the world ever opens up again? I mean, they rolled the dice in August 2020, things didn’t work out. “If at first you don’t succeed...
While I want to see NTTD as soon as possible, I would rather them wait. I don't think that big blockbusters will be viable until Spring 2021. I don't want to see EON take the big risk that WB did with Tenet.
The box office numbers for Tenet after THREE weeks in the US alone are not as much as Nolan's previous opening weekends stateside. On top of that, the rest of the world hasn't faired much better either.
For reference: Tenet Box Office (3 weeks in) in USD sorry I am in the States.
$29.5 mil - US
$177.5 mil - Foreign
$207 mil - Worldwide
For reference, Interstellar opened at $47.5 mil in the US and Dunkirk opened at $50 mil in the US.
The "break-even" point for Tenet, which only includes what they reportedly spent not including advertising, is around $450-$500 mil.
WB can take that hit and so can Nolan. Bond cannot. EON needs Bond to make the kind of numbers that Skyfall and Spectre made. On top of that, everybody is quick to say that Bond is an old breed of film that is dying off.
Pandemic or not, NTTD releasing and doing poorly could send it over the edge and we could be looking at an even longer wait for the next film. We may even see EON taking such a loss that they have to sell the rights which I do not want to happen. While I love the Marvel movies for what they are, I don't even want to imagine a Disney 007.
Nevertheless, I will take another delay if it means the film succeeding. I'd rather that then a possibly huge blow to the franchise which could put it in jeopardy.
This won't come out in North America in November....with cases starting to spike again and knuckle head kids not following the rules I see this getting pushed back to summer of 2021 at best...the option of going to VOD would make sense at this point....I know Universal and EON may not want to do that but at this point nothing is in anyone's control....sucks as I really want to see this one in IMAX but will be ok watching at home also.
This won't come out in North America in November....with cases starting to spike again and knuckle head kids not following the rules I see this getting pushed back to summer of 2021 at best...the option of going to VOD would make sense at this point....I know Universal and EON may not want to do that but at this point nothing is in anyone's control....sucks as I really want to see this one in IMAX but will be ok watching at home also.
I think America will have the least barring on the decision, actually. The United States is a lost cause at this point. People and leadership (across the aisle) have decided to just give up on doing anything. It wouldn't surprise me if it gets released twice in the States.
This is all frustrating because Fukunaga and the cast and crew looked to have put together an amazing picture and they deserved to have the release, pomp and circumstance, and general festivity that they earned. Making a film at any scale is a small miracle, but making a big blockbuster like this is truly the stuff of wonder.
This is all frustrating because Fukunaga and the cast and crew looked to have put together an amazing picture and they deserved to have the release, pomp and circumstance, and general festivity that they earned. Making a film at any scale is a small miracle, but making a big blockbuster like this is truly the stuff of wonder.
Exactly this, it looks and sounds and teases at being so bloody good.
As we’ve learned the hard way in the US, indoor activities such as dining are the absolute worst in terms of spreading Covid. Watching a film is a little better since, unlike dining, you can wear a mask. But it still seems like it’s high-risk since you’re stationary for a prolonged (more than 15 minutes) period of time. As a result, I’ve decided not to see NTTD even if it does come out in November. Many others will do the same, and the film will fail financially if it’s released during the pandemic.
That said, I hope it still comes out in November because I’d like to get NTTD over with. It’s been a long, tortured process - and that was before covid - and I’m ready to move on.
Agree...its terrible that this is how the Craig era is going to end....at this point I would hope we get VOD and then get to see it in the theater when its safe....miracles can happen I guess so time will tell but I am not holding my breath.
As we’ve learned the hard way in the US, indoor activities such as dining are the absolute worst in terms of spreading Covid. Watching a film is a little better since, unlike dining, you can wear a mask. But it still seems like it’s high-risk since you’re stationary for a prolonged (more than 15 minutes) period of time. As a result, I’ve decided not to see NTTD even if it does come out in November. Many others will do the same, and the film will fail financially if it’s released during the pandemic.
That said, I hope it still comes out in November because I’d like to get NTTD over with. It’s been a long, tortured process - and that was before covid - and I’m ready to move on.
While I want to see NTTD as soon as possible, I would rather them wait. I don't think that big blockbusters will be viable until Spring 2021. I don't want to see EON take the big risk that WB did with Tenet.
The box office numbers for Tenet after THREE weeks in the US alone are not as much as Nolan's previous opening weekends stateside. On top of that, the rest of the world hasn't faired much better either.
For reference: Tenet Box Office (3 weeks in) in USD sorry I am in the States.
$29.5 mil - US
$177.5 mil - Foreign
$207 mil - Worldwide
For reference, Interstellar opened at $47.5 mil in the US and Dunkirk opened at $50 mil in the US.
The "break-even" point for Tenet, which only includes what they reportedly spent not including advertising, is around $450-$500 mil.
WB can take that hit and so can Nolan. Bond cannot. EON needs Bond to make the kind of numbers that Skyfall and Spectre made. On top of that, everybody is quick to say that Bond is an old breed of film that is dying off.
Pandemic or not, NTTD releasing and doing poorly could send it over the edge and we could be looking at an even longer wait for the next film. We may even see EON taking such a loss that they have to sell the rights which I do not want to happen. While I love the Marvel movies for what they are, I don't even want to imagine a Disney 007.
Nevertheless, I will take another delay if it means the film succeeding. I'd rather that then a possibly huge blow to the franchise which could put it in jeopardy.
In terms of "tentpole" movies, Tenet is the only game in town until NTTD is released in late November (Wonder Woman was pushed off to 12/25). Tenet could easily average about $10 million a week in the US for the next three months, giving it a total of maybe $160 million in the US by the time it's through. Plus it should rule the foreign markets. It could easily surpass Dunkirk's $525 million.
Considering how they've been ramping up the marketing for NTTD over the last couple of weeks, I wonder if they have the stomach to punt this again. Too many egos are involved, and punting this again would be an admission of error.
I don't think it's an admission of error, rather I suspect that EON/MGM/Universal have looked at the environment and believe there best chance to maximize earnings is to get it now now thus expediting the process of getting it on streaming platforms and home video. This could change if the environment changes again (which it might). Next 4-6 weeks are key.
And who knows, if Pfizer or other companies/research institutions developing vaccines have positive press come late October, that alone could change people's psychological behavior. So much of how people act is not "what threat does the virus pose" it's "what threats do I believe the virus poses".
Want to be clear I'm not endorsing that kind of behavior, but I suspect it could happen and may be factored into their [EON/MGM/Universal] decision making process.
I don’t see too many reasons not to release it again, if it doesn’t do well in November. There’s going to be very few new tentpoles in 2021 as it is, people will be dying to return to the cinema, and it no longer costs millions of dollars to strike tens of thousands of 35mm prints and ship them around the world. Distribution is relatively cheap, even a second time.
Tenet could easily average about $10 million a week in the US for the next three months, giving it a total of maybe $160 million in the US by the time it's through. Plus it should rule the foreign markets. It could easily surpass Dunkirk's $525 million.
It's not even making enough for theaters to make a profit, and now that they've opened for it,
This weekend, the average complex grossed under $5,000 (before concessions). More than half of that goes to film rentals. They have staff and other operational costs to pay, as well as rent to landlords. Theaters have a stronger hand in negotiating rent if they’re closed. Once open, they owe, and now they face weeks of operation at a significant loss.
They opened on faith that folks would show up for Tenet, and that would encourage more releases and wider attendance. Tenet's box office showings have only discouraged studios from staying on schedule, leaving these theaters to run with no new content to play. Tenet won't be a grower because that's not how movie attendance habits tend to go.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - delaying to 2021 is just silly IMO because WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORLD WILL BE LIKE IN 2021.
In 2021 things could be just as bad. They could be even worse. They could be better too, but we just don't know. We can't predict the future, nobody can.
Release NTTD in November and just accept that it won't make as much money as other bond films, and realise that covid is the main reason for that. Release it, move on, and find solace in the fact that DVD/Blu-Ray sales will be huge.
If cinemas really are unsafe in November, then VOD is the way to go, I mean, they have no choice here IMO, because the state of the world is not in their control. And in areas where cinemas are safe, strict distancing guidelines, masks compulsory.
There's nothing else they can do. They can't just keep delaying it again and again. Because as said, the state of the world is not in their control. They can't work around it by "predicting" the future in the form of delays. Simple as.
Summer 2021 might not mean anything. Covid could be with us for a decade for all we know.
NTTD is destined not to make as much money as other bond films, and they need to just accept this.
Tenet could easily average about $10 million a week in the US for the next three months, giving it a total of maybe $160 million in the US by the time it's through. Plus it should rule the foreign markets. It could easily surpass Dunkirk's $525 million.
It's not even making enough for theaters to make a profit, and now that they've opened for it,
This weekend, the average complex grossed under $5,000 (before concessions). More than half of that goes to film rentals. They have staff and other operational costs to pay, as well as rent to landlords. Theaters have a stronger hand in negotiating rent if they’re closed. Once open, they owe, and now they face weeks of operation at a significant loss.
They opened on faith that folks would show up for Tenet, and that would encourage more releases and wider attendance. Tenet's box office showings have only discouraged studios from staying on schedule, leaving these theaters to run with no new content to play. Tenet won't be a grower because that's not how movie attendance habits tend to go.
And, yet, they just increased the number of screens Tenet is being shown in by 100.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - delaying to 2021 is just silly IMO because WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORLD WILL BE LIKE IN 2021.
In 2021 things could be just as bad. They could be even worse. They could be better too, but we just don't know. We can't predict the future, nobody can.
Release NTTD in November and just accept that it won't make as much money as other bond films, and realise that covid is the main reason for that. Release it, move on, and find solace in the fact that DVD/Blu-Ray sales will be huge.
If cinemas really are unsafe in November, then VOD is the way to go, I mean, they have no choice here IMO, because the state of the world is not in their control. And in areas where cinemas are safe, strict distancing guidelines, masks compulsory.
There's nothing else they can do. They can't just keep delaying it again and again. Because as said, the state of the world is not in their control. They can't work around it by "predicting" the future in the form of delays. Simple as.
Summer 2021 might not mean anything. Covid could be with us for a decade for all we know.
NTTD is destined not to make as much money as other bond films, and they need to just accept this.
This take is 100% correct. It’s fairly likely that the world as we knew it is over and is not coming back. VOD is not just the present, but also the future. I understand why it’s hard for people to accept that, but it’s facts.
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EON website takes you to the above link, confirmed new poster and a new trailer for release Thursday 03/09. Hopefully were on track now.
(no money left now...send food parcels)
Saw the Trailer. A fair bit of new (to me at least footage) looks very good. Visuals are stunning. If I can get passed (yet ) another 'this time its personal element and Waltz I could eventually be in for a treat.
For a second lock down, perhaps
Not as strict as the first but bad
None the less
What was said? We have tickets to go to London in November but I don't think it is going to happen.
They have banned social gatherings over 6 people (although gyms, cinemas, restaurants and bars are all still operational - don't get me started on the "science" of that.) If you do find yourself in a gathering of more than 6 people you have to form a company, all get married or get someone to take one for the team as work, weddings and funerals are exempt
We have rolling localised lockdowns in various cities, Birmingham the latest today.
We also have a large spike in cases, clustered on 17-25 year olds but with the anticipation this will lead to older infections which will increase hospitalisations and eventually deaths. There is debate over if this will come to pass in practice (people like to shout "Sweden!" at each other to justify completely opposite views) but assuming it did and we do go into a broader second lockdown the timeframe for that is basically NTTD opening weekend.
I'd probably be fairly bullish on you being allowed to fly...the only question being if there will be a film for you to see..I am in daily check mode to see if/when I can use vouchers from April to rebook screening.
No confirmed screening times: can't book tickets.
The 007notimetodie.co.uk you're directed to from the vouchers in the NTTD collectors box is currently down.
The 007 store won't let you buy the new poster which says November on it...the 007store not taking your money as soon as possible is, I believe, one of the 4 signs of the apocalypse...
The UK starts much stricter covid measures tomorrow and ministers are openly saying 'Christmas is in danger' - whatever that means.
The November 12 general theatre release in the UK is currently tied to a wooden chair informing Covid it's 'got a little itch'.
Come on Mr White, where the hell are you...
Wow that doesn't sound good at all! Thanks for the update as depressing as it is.
Sorry!
On the positive side you can go and watch Tenet today and some, not hordes, are. So if NTTD was coming out this week it would definitely be released.
It wouldn't be a general release as some cities are heading back into strict measures limiting hospitality to takeaway only, but you could definitely see it in London...
The box office numbers for Tenet after THREE weeks in the US alone are not as much as Nolan's previous opening weekends stateside. On top of that, the rest of the world hasn't faired much better either.
For reference: Tenet Box Office (3 weeks in) in USD sorry I am in the States.
$29.5 mil - US
$177.5 mil - Foreign
$207 mil - Worldwide
For reference, Interstellar opened at $47.5 mil in the US and Dunkirk opened at $50 mil in the US.
The "break-even" point for Tenet, which only includes what they reportedly spent not including advertising, is around $450-$500 mil.
WB can take that hit and so can Nolan. Bond cannot. EON needs Bond to make the kind of numbers that Skyfall and Spectre made. On top of that, everybody is quick to say that Bond is an old breed of film that is dying off.
Pandemic or not, NTTD releasing and doing poorly could send it over the edge and we could be looking at an even longer wait for the next film. We may even see EON taking such a loss that they have to sell the rights which I do not want to happen. While I love the Marvel movies for what they are, I don't even want to imagine a Disney 007.
Nevertheless, I will take another delay if it means the film succeeding. I'd rather that then a possibly huge blow to the franchise which could put it in jeopardy.
Regardless, I don't think it'll be delayed for financial reasons. If theaters are shut down, it'll be delayed again. All the reason to stay vigilant and take this seriously.
The box office is interesting. Even socially distanced showings aren't sold out plus most chains here are doing discounted seats due for example are doing every film every day at 60% of pre-pandemic prices. And that included Tenet...so there's just no comparison.
Studios must be looking at very early VOD or streaming deals to try and supplement $$$ after limited theatre run, if they are going as planned.
I think America will have the least barring on the decision, actually. The United States is a lost cause at this point. People and leadership (across the aisle) have decided to just give up on doing anything. It wouldn't surprise me if it gets released twice in the States.
This is all frustrating because Fukunaga and the cast and crew looked to have put together an amazing picture and they deserved to have the release, pomp and circumstance, and general festivity that they earned. Making a film at any scale is a small miracle, but making a big blockbuster like this is truly the stuff of wonder.
Exactly this, it looks and sounds and teases at being so bloody good.
That said, I hope it still comes out in November because I’d like to get NTTD over with. It’s been a long, tortured process - and that was before covid - and I’m ready to move on.
In terms of "tentpole" movies, Tenet is the only game in town until NTTD is released in late November (Wonder Woman was pushed off to 12/25). Tenet could easily average about $10 million a week in the US for the next three months, giving it a total of maybe $160 million in the US by the time it's through. Plus it should rule the foreign markets. It could easily surpass Dunkirk's $525 million.
I don't think it's an admission of error, rather I suspect that EON/MGM/Universal have looked at the environment and believe there best chance to maximize earnings is to get it now now thus expediting the process of getting it on streaming platforms and home video. This could change if the environment changes again (which it might). Next 4-6 weeks are key.
And who knows, if Pfizer or other companies/research institutions developing vaccines have positive press come late October, that alone could change people's psychological behavior. So much of how people act is not "what threat does the virus pose" it's "what threats do I believe the virus poses".
Want to be clear I'm not endorsing that kind of behavior, but I suspect it could happen and may be factored into their [EON/MGM/Universal] decision making process.
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/09/tenet-6-7-million-total-box-office-is-under-15-million-theaters-hurt-1234586104/
It's not even making enough for theaters to make a profit, and now that they've opened for it,
They opened on faith that folks would show up for Tenet, and that would encourage more releases and wider attendance. Tenet's box office showings have only discouraged studios from staying on schedule, leaving these theaters to run with no new content to play. Tenet won't be a grower because that's not how movie attendance habits tend to go.
In 2021 things could be just as bad. They could be even worse. They could be better too, but we just don't know. We can't predict the future, nobody can.
Release NTTD in November and just accept that it won't make as much money as other bond films, and realise that covid is the main reason for that. Release it, move on, and find solace in the fact that DVD/Blu-Ray sales will be huge.
If cinemas really are unsafe in November, then VOD is the way to go, I mean, they have no choice here IMO, because the state of the world is not in their control. And in areas where cinemas are safe, strict distancing guidelines, masks compulsory.
There's nothing else they can do. They can't just keep delaying it again and again. Because as said, the state of the world is not in their control. They can't work around it by "predicting" the future in the form of delays. Simple as.
Summer 2021 might not mean anything. Covid could be with us for a decade for all we know.
NTTD is destined not to make as much money as other bond films, and they need to just accept this.
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
And, yet, they just increased the number of screens Tenet is being shown in by 100.
https://deadline.com/2020/09/tenet-second-weekend-box-office-broken-hearts-gallery-after-we-collided-1234575952/
This take is 100% correct. It’s fairly likely that the world as we knew it is over and is not coming back. VOD is not just the present, but also the future. I understand why it’s hard for people to accept that, but it’s facts.