AJB live commentary on LTK

Higgins

Time for another group-viewing, this time, it‘s

LICENCE TO KILL








London Summertime: 20:00
Paris Summertime: 21:00
New York local time 15:00
LA local time 12:00


PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE ALL STARTING 10 MINUTES LATER !

The 19:00 deadline is set so that everybody has enough time to find their DVDs/Blu Rays, boot their players and get done with the menus and pause right before the gunbarrel sequence.

WE ARE STARTING PRECISELY AT 19:10


- Please make sure that everybody has their BluRay/DVD/VCR ready and start the player latest 19:00 GMT to get done with all the dodgy menus.
- PAUSE YOUR PLAYER RIGHT BEFORE THE GUNBARREL
- HIT PLAY PRECISELY AT 19:10.
I‘ll post some timecodes during the thread just in case that somebody has messed it up

Barbel

?:)

Higgins

Yes, I know....


I am still in a very bad mood because someone seriously damaged my car and drove off, so I thought:

„Let’s get over and done with the f*cker“

I‘ve even FaceTimed Asp9mm to get my combative mood soothed, didn‘t help much as he replied with maximum stupidity X-(

Number24

:007) :007) :007)

I'm looking forward to it.

Higgins

The good thing is, that we can have TND to sweeten our weekend

Asp9mm

Higgins wrote:

I‘ve even FaceTimed Asp9mm to get my combative mood soothed, didn‘t help much as he replied with maximum stupidity X-(

I was always taught to fight fire with fire.

emtiem

Higgins wrote:

LICENSE TO KILL

'License'? Ouch!

Number24

Asp9mm wrote:

Higgins wrote:

I‘ve even FaceTimed Asp9mm to get my combative mood soothed, didn‘t help much as he replied with maximum stupidity X-(

I was always taught to fight fire with fire.

) ) )

Asp9mm

Higgins

emtiem wrote:

Higgins wrote:

LICENSE TO KILL

'License'? Ouch!

Fixed

emtiem

I only found out recently that it was apparently called 'Licence To Kill' in the US too which I was surprised by. For some reason I always assumed the spelling would have been changed (but never actually bothered reading the posters, clearly! )

Barbel

Higgins wrote:

emtiem wrote:

Higgins wrote:

LICENSE TO KILL

'License'? Ouch!

Fixed

) ) )

Shady Tree

Haha! Expect me militantly to defend my love of this film at every turn!

Higgins

I am used to take it up with an army of Timboys, no worries here

Shady Tree

Higgins wrote:

I am used to take it up with an army of Timboys, no worries here

I rested my case here:
https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/822566/#p822566
but I'm happy to fight the corner again... )

Asp9mm

When faced with the evidence in ‘real time’. Timboys cant really hold an argument. We saw that when watching TLD. Everyone downgraded the film in their listings after that.

Higgins

Hear hear ) )

Higgins

Dalton actually holds water until the titles have ended for this time, but then floods out when Della is asking him about his previous marriage.

Compare this to FYEO when Moore pays Theresa‘s grave a visit.
Acting on a totally different level and it should convert every single Timboy into a member of the Misty Eyes Club.

Applications are accepted on monday night but the annual membership fee is due immediately

Higgins

But the worst ever part in any Bond movie may be cheerful Felix at the end of the movie.
I hope that I have enough Bollinger in the tank to sit that out without shouting at the screen X-(

Higgins

I‘ll need a strong one before when I see his Dracula hair in the Casino parts

Higgins

As you can see, I am already warming up for monday X-(

Barbel

You may or may not be pleased to hear that I won't be commenting on the music as much as usual for this film. It's not because I don't rate the score highly (though I don't), but because the OST is probably the worst organised Bond OST with the tracks containing shorter cues melded together.
In addition the OST has some pretty terrible 80s songs only briefly heard in the movie.

Number24

Asp9mm wrote:

When faced with the evidence in ‘real time’. Timboys cant really hold an argument. We saw that when watching TLD. Everyone downgraded the film in their listings after that.

I'm a fan of Dalton, but I can't recall downgrading anything after watching TLD with you. Right now I can all only remember Barbel doing that.

Number24

Gymkata wrote:

Higgins wrote:

But the worst ever part in any Bond movie may be cheerful Felix at the end of the movie.
I hope that I have enough Bollinger in the tank to sit that out without shouting at the screen X-(

This. For a guy who has been maimed and had his wife raped and killed, he's sure a happy lad.

Yes, that's a bad scene.

Shady Tree

Number24 wrote:

Gymkata wrote:

Higgins wrote:

But the worst ever part in any Bond movie may be cheerful Felix at the end of the movie.
I hope that I have enough Bollinger in the tank to sit that out without shouting at the screen X-(

This. For a guy who has been maimed and had his wife raped and killed, he's sure a happy lad.

Yes, that's a bad scene.

The guy has been grieving and suffering, but he's hearing from his old friend, he's recovering physically and the news is that Sanchez and his cartel have been destroyed. Surely he can be allowed a few moments of lighter mood. His ongoing grief can be taken as read. Besides, the film-makers needed briefly to 're-set' Bond's world to normality for the sake of the franchise, restoring Bond to his job with the Secret Service but also positioning the Leiter character in a token scene for possible re-use in the future.

Higgins: surely you wouldn't want even more weeping than there already is? 8-)

Higgins

Shady Tree wrote:

The guy has been grieving and suffering, but he's hearing from his old friend, he's recovering physically and the news is that Sanchez and his cartel have been destroyed. Surely he can be allowed a few moments of lighter mood. His ongoing grief can be taken as read. Besides, the film-makers needed briefly to 're-set' Bond's world to normality for the sake of the franchise, restoring Bond to his job with the Secret Service but also positioning the Leiter character in a token scene for possible re-use in the future.

Sorry, I don‘t agree at all.
Even I was in the Secret Service professionally, someone has raped and killed my wife and tortured me with a shark that makes me lose half of my body, I wouldn‘t pop a beer and laugh to celebrate when hearing that the bastard was dead.

Similar to families who have lost their daughters, I doubt that they open some Champagne and throw a party when the murderer has been convicted.
It just doesn‘t happen that way.

Higgins

I find it remarkable that every actor with the exception of Lazenby had a (widely perceived) stinker as their final movie.

Makes me worry, that NTTD may be just that.....

Shady Tree

Higgins wrote:

Shady Tree wrote:

The guy has been grieving and suffering, but he's hearing from his old friend, he's recovering physically and the news is that Sanchez and his cartel have been destroyed. Surely he can be allowed a few moments of lighter mood. His ongoing grief can be taken as read. Besides, the film-makers needed briefly to 're-set' Bond's world to normality for the sake of the franchise, restoring Bond to his job with the Secret Service but also positioning the Leiter character in a token scene for possible re-use in the future.

Sorry, I don‘t agree at all.
Even I was in the Secret Service professionally, someone has raped and killed my wife and tortured me with a shark that makes me lose half of my body, I wouldn‘t pop a beer and laugh to celebrate when hearing that the bastard was dead.

Similar to families who have lost their daughters, I doubt that they open some Champagne and throw a party when the murderer has been convicted.
It just doesn‘t happen that way.

Interesting to see how John Gardner handles this in his novelisation. He goes for a more realistic tone but his passage has a similar 're-setting' function. I doubt those who can't accept the scene in the movie would find this passage much more palatable:


"'Good of you to call, James.' Felix sounded down but not out. 'They're giving me a lot of therapy.'

'The pain goes with time, Felix.' Bond was not talking about physical pain, and he knew all the hurt his old friend was suffering from Della's death. 'I've been there, old buddy. Never leaves you, but it does get easier. Look, I'll be over to see you in a week or two.'

There was a silence at the distant end, then Leiter said, 'Great. I might even be on my new feet by then. Oh, did you know M's been nosing around? Says he wants to see you in London. PDQ.'"

emtiem

Good of Gardner to spell out he wasn't talking about physical pain there!
Seems slightly inappropriate of Bond to call back to the 'old buddy' line of Killifer's too!

But yeah, that is a much more palatable scene.

Number24

Yes, that's much better. But what's PDQ.

Shady Tree

Barbel wrote:

You may or may not be pleased to hear that I won't be commenting on the music as much as usual for this film. It's not because I don't rate the score highly (though I don't), but because the OST is probably the worst organised Bond OST with the tracks containing shorter cues melded together.
In addition the OST has some pretty terrible 80s songs only briefly heard in the movie.

'Wedding Party' trades on DN's 'Jump Up'.
'Dirty Love' works in the background to the scene in The Barrelhead Bar but is insufferable as a stand-alone track on the album.
'If You Asked Me To', sung by Patti LaBelle for the end credits, is another piece of disposable 80s fluff and is no more used as a source in the incidental score than the impressive main title track... which is not at all used for cues, as I recall.

I agree about the general disorganisation of the OST. I'd have liked it better if, in place of the long 'compilation' pieces, the various cues had been separated as different individual tracks. Some of them are individually good - moody and effective - and they'd have worked better as selections for any personal Bond Playlist if they'd been broken up and made available in shorter measures.